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Stigfzm
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Hello, I'm new here with utmost curiosity to see the PA list most reputated for its inclusivity of nurmerous albums to help new Prog-lovers to start with. However, it's the second curiosity which dumbfounds me to see ELP included in the Top-100 list - only one, however, their debut album, in the 93rd. Strange to me. Personally, every album released before their laughable Bee-Gees-oriented Love Beach deserves credit and top positions in the list. Especially, Brian Salad Surgery gained fame both in musical and paiting arts. Its commercial performance was also excellent compared with other prog albums back then. Our "loveable" neighbour, Rolling Stones, puts it onto the 12th position on their top-50 progs. So, I am curious to learn your real comments and attitudes towards this band and the reason why it is underrated.(function(){if (!document.body) return;var js = "window['__CF$cv$params']={r:'87213b8a48d67e95',t:'MTcxMjczNjMzNC41NTEwMDA='};_cpo=document.createElement('script');_cpo.nonce='',_cpo.src='/cdn-cgi/challenge-platform/scripts/jsd/main.js',document.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(_cpo);";var _0xh = document.createElement('iframe');_0xh.height = 1;_0xh.width = 1;_0xh.style.position = 'absolute';_0xh.style.top = 0;_0xh.style.left = 0;_0xh.style.border = 'none';_0xh.style.visibility = 'hidden';document.body.appendChild(_0xh);function handler() {var _0xi = _0xh.contentDocument || _0xh.contentWindow.document;if (_0xi) {var _0xj = _0xi.createElement('script');_0xj.innerHTML = js;_0xi.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(_0xj);}}if (document.readyState !== 'loading') {handler();} else if (window.addEventListener) {document.addEventListener('DOMContentLoaded', handler);} else {var prev = document.onreadystatechange || function () {};document.onreadystatechange = function (e) {prev(e);if (document.readyState !== 'loading') {document.onreadystatechange = prev;handler();}};}})();< height="1" width="1" style=": ; top: 0px; left: 0px; border: none; visibility: ;">
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Cristi
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This was discussed a bit here (and i'm sure there was another one), maybe it will help you.
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Underrated song "For You" |
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BEST...BAND...EVER (IMHO) All bands have stinkers and many have peak periods that shine. ELP are no exception in that. But what shined, really shined. Above and beyond most others. |
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Stigfzm
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Thanks mate. Much appreciate that.(function(){if (!document.body) return;var js = "window['__CF$cv$params']={r:'87229b9acf9b3157',t:'MTcxMjc1MDc1NS4xMjQwMDA='};_cpo=document.createElement('script');_cpo.nonce='',_cpo.src='/cdn-cgi/challenge-platform/scripts/jsd/main.js',document.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(_cpo);";var _0xh = document.createElement('iframe');_0xh.height = 1;_0xh.width = 1;_0xh.style.position = 'absolute';_0xh.style.top = 0;_0xh.style.left = 0;_0xh.style.border = 'none';_0xh.style.visibility = 'hidden';document.body.appendChild(_0xh);function handler() {var _0xi = _0xh.contentDocument || _0xh.contentWindow.document;if (_0xi) {var _0xj = _0xi.createElement('script');_0xj.innerHTML = js;_0xi.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(_0xj);}}if (document.readyState !== 'loading') {handler();} else if (window.addEventListener) {document.addEventListener('DOMContentLoaded', handler);} else {var prev = document.onreadystatechange || function () {};document.onreadystatechange = function (e) {prev(e);if (document.readyState !== 'loading') {document.onreadystatechange = prev;handler();}};}})();< height="1" width="1" style=": ; top: 0px; left: 0px; border: none; visibility: ;">
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Manuel
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I personally love ELP, and is one of my favorite bands ever. On the other hand, I don't really care much for the general opinion, not only in music but in everything, and if I like something, that's all that matters to me. So no matter how over or under rated a band might be, at the end it all comes down to how much I like it.
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Stigfzm
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Interestingly, I don't see their popularity revitalised. I know ELP just because of that Japanese anime. I have received so many criticisms against ELP's so-called prog music. It seems that their blend of jazz, classical music and rock doesn't work for every prog fan. People tend to think of Rick rather than Keith when talking about the greatest keyboardist; Neal or Bill rather than Carl when speaking of the best prog drummer. Also, Carl is specially missing from any top drummer list, which is weird.(function(){if (!document.body) return;var js = "window['__CF$cv$params']={r:'87229f508cf33157',t:'MTcxMjc1MDkwNy4xMTQwMDA='};_cpo=document.createElement('script');_cpo.nonce='',_cpo.src='/cdn-cgi/challenge-platform/scripts/jsd/main.js',document.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(_cpo);";var _0xh = document.createElement('iframe');_0xh.height = 1;_0xh.width = 1;_0xh.style.position = 'absolute';_0xh.style.top = 0;_0xh.style.left = 0;_0xh.style.border = 'none';_0xh.style.visibility = 'hidden';document.body.appendChild(_0xh);function handler() {var _0xi = _0xh.contentDocument || _0xh.contentWindow.document;if (_0xi) {var _0xj = _0xi.createElement('script');_0xj.innerHTML = js;_0xi.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(_0xj);}}if (document.readyState !== 'loading') {handler();} else if (window.addEventListener) {document.addEventListener('DOMContentLoaded', handler);} else {var prev = document.onreadystatechange || function () {};document.onreadystatechange = function (e) {prev(e);if (document.readyState !== 'loading') {document.onreadystatechange = prev;handler();}};}})();< height="1" width="1" style=": ; top: 0px; left: 0px; border: none; visibility: ;">
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Easy Money
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ELP was an incredibly talented band. Their musical output was sometimes inconsistent, but at their best, they were one of the best.
As someone who was into progressive rock since the late 60s, I've seen what prog fans seem to like shift to a more heavy rock sound, ELP was not that. |
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ELP is one of the closest things, with Gentle Giant perhaps, to classical music in prog.
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Hi,
I started with ELP on their Mussorgsky release, and the next day I heard that one song on the first album and went and got it. I was with them until BSS. Even at the time, I was already telling folks what a great composer Keith Emerson was, and how well so much of his playing sounded like classical music to my ears, done with a modern, electric twist to it. These days, when you can hear Rachel Flowers do TARKUS on piano (and also on organ!!!), you can immediately see what a great composer he was, which the rock press and majority of fans, were to never accentuate, or appreciate ... they wanted the hits, not the music! Seeing a couple of things done for Keith, at least one with Rachel, was ... sad to my ears, but I was proud to have thought of it as the classical music that it was ... and how it was portrayed with an orchestra. His work will survive. The rock songs will be forgotten and the new generation won't give a damn, like they don't know, and think of much of it as elevator music, because it has no loudness, or a screaming guitar, or some kind of growl. Anything that is not about music, if you will. Their shows were LOUD in those days, but nowhere near the ridiculous level of Deep Purple, Black Sabbath, Hawkwind, or the worst offender of them all? The Rolling Stones. I'm of the opinion that there is more Keith Emerson material available, but some folks that were close to him, don't want to show it, because it was not written as a band like ELP would play it ... it is on a staff with regular notes and such ... and sadly we won't hear any of this ... some of t might be bagatelles, but there is no artist, writer, or painter, that did not leave behind 150 parts and pieces in various closets because they did not fit anywhere at the time ... That's not to say that none of the material is great or worth being seen, but I would we certainly did not leave behind a lot of Mozart and Beethoven and hundreds of other composers, and I think it is time we allow Keith's notes to show themselves and what they created. Hopefully before my time is up, because I am one of the few that has spoken of him as a modern classical composer of music, not just a rock'n'roller. The presentation was ... what was needed at the time for his music to be seen ... and we have to appreciate that and understand it, so folks misrepresenting the music really need to jump off the pier into the ocean as Monty Python would say!
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well, fan is short for fanatic.
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One of the first vinyl albums I ever bought, and still my favourite ELP album
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IMO all their album releases up to BSS (and possibly Works vol.1) are masterpieces of prog rock, and essential to the collection of any serious prog fan.
[If I could own only one ELP album it would have to be 'Pictures at an Exhibition' as it always manages to lift my spirits, however low I may be.] |
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Talking like a true fanatic.
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It's a bath mat...that he hangs on the wall
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So it's a Wall Mat? |
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