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    Posted: December 12 2021 at 15:08
I'd like to dedicate this thread to lesser known UK prog-rock bands from early 70s.
Why UK? Why early 70s? The best progressive rock scene, best years for prog-rock at least IMO.

I have to admit, I am a total sucker for good and old early 70s prog-rock.
I've been searching for these hidden treasures for many years now and I am curious if anyone on PA can share with me his/her list of favorite second tier UK prog-rock bands/albums.

Let's define second tier prog-rock bands as unsuccessful bands that managed to release 1-2 albums in early 70s that sold poorly, never reached UK Top 100 charts and shortly after that they vanished.
I am sure there are some exceptions from this rule. I can find at least couple UK bands that managed to release 3 or 4 albums during their music career in early 70s (Beggar's Opera, Jonesy), 
but none of these albums was successful in terms of the sales.
We should definitely include them. We can also include archival recordings - albums recorded in early 70s, but released for the first time much later as an archival release.

I would definitely exclude the big UK bands included in "TOP 20 Favorite Prog-Rock Bands" list (recent thread hosted by Psychedelic Paul) and bands that had at least 1 album in Top 100 on UK charts 
(for instance: Curved Air, Caravan, Renaissance, Atomic Rooster, Greenslade, Procol Harum, Moody Blues, Soft Machine, Traffic, Strawbs, Hawkwind, Family and probably few more that I don't recall right now).

My favorite 30 second tier early 70s UK albums include but are not limited to (one album per band, in alphabetic order):

Aardvark - s/t (1970)
Affinity - s/t (1970)
Beggars Opera - Waters of Change (1971)
Bram Stoker - Heavy Rock Spectacular (1972)
Catapilla - Changes (1971)
Comus - First Utterance (1971)
Cressida - Asylum (1970)
Diabolus - s/t (1972)
Fantasy - Paint a Picture (1973)
Fields - s/t (1971)
Fuchsia - s/t (1971)
Fuzzy Duck - s/t (1971)
Gnidrolog - Lady Lake (1972)
Gracious - s/t (1970)
Greatest Show on Earth, The - Horizons (1970)
Indian Summer - s/t (1971)
Jody Grind - Far Canal (1970)
Jonesy - Keeping Up (1973)
Julian's Treatment - A Time Before This (1970)
Marsupilami - s/t (1970)
Odin - s/t (1972)
Rare Bird - As Your Mind Flies By (1970)
Raw Material - Time is... (1971)
Samurai - s/t (1971)
Skin Alley - s/t (1970)
Spring - s/t (1971)
Still Life - s/t (1971)
T2 - It'll All Work Out in Boomland (1970)
Titus Groan - s/t (1970)
Web - I Spider (1970)

I wasn't sure what to do with Khan, Egg, East of Eden. East of Eden had a successful album ("Snafu", No. 29 on UK charts and single - "Jig-A-Jig"). Khan and Egg are pretty well know by now and get lots of "airtime" on PA. Well, I will leave it up to you. All 3 bands and their albums would be in my Top 30.



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote BaldJean Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 12 2021 at 17:47
I will throw Frumpy into the mix; "Frumpy 2" is one of the best albums of 1971, and that's saying something. here a video of them playing "Take Care of Illusion", my personal favorite of the 4 tracks of that great album


why the Swedish flag is shown at the beginning of this video is a mystery to me; Frumpy were a German band



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I am planning to open a separate thread to cover obscure early 70s German prog-rock, if this one goes well. Frumpy 2 - excellent choice! One of my favorite early 70s albums from Germany. Heavy use of Hammond organs, plus not very feminine, raspy but excellent vocals of Inga's Rumpf are the highlights (at least for me) of this album.

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I must admit that even I've been interested in really many different Prog areas, UK early 70's obscure Prog hasn't been one of those. So, I can't really contribute here. Nevertherless, I'd like to tell that I'm fond of T2 - It'll All Work Out in Boomland (1970), and very fond of Comus - First Utterance (1971). What may be interesting here with these two albums is that today, they certainly can't be considered as obscure.
I can tell for instance that First Utterance is as high placed as #19 on the top 160 all-time albums list, I've made in 2019, based on all the ratings on RYM and PA (only 1 album per band included, though) while It'll All Work Out in Boomland surely not that high but still on 85th place.



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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

 What may be interesting here with these two albums is that today, they certainly can't be considered as obscure.
None of them are obscure now. But this is only because of internet, newsgroups, forums, GEPR.net, PA, PE and other progressive rock sites. These bands were fairly unknown in their own country (UK) in 70's. The list I provided is just to start the conversation about lesser know bands, 2nd tier progressive rock bands from UK that haven't been that successful in 70s.  How many treads, Polls, Top 15 lists we can have about bands like Genesis, Yes, Pink Floyd, VdGG, KC and their albums? I am just "testing the water" David_D. The purpose of this thread is to give more visibility to lesser known UK bands, expend our horizons, discover new music. That's all. Definitely Comus is one of them. They never had huge popularity in 70s. I've heard about them and their music in the middle of 90s through rec.music.progressive.  They've built large fanbase over the years, reformed again for some festival in Sweden in 2008, continued to perform occasional gigs,  recorded new album in 2012.


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After second thought, I can mention an album that is so obscure as it can be, and even it's not recorded neither released in UK but Norway, it's made by the English band Universe. According to the liner notes on its 2014 Swedish CD reissue by Flawed Gems, the original 1971 pressing of this only record by Universe is considered by many record collectors to be not less than the rarest British Prog album ever! Released in 200 copies (some without covers) by the tiny Norwegian label Experience, it's of course almost impossible to locate today. 
I'd say that the music on this album is more on the borderline than being true Prog but with its Flamenco elements and some rather elaborate Rock forms, it's certainly with some Progressive character.
And not to forget that, this album was selftitled.


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Originally posted by enigmatic enigmatic wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

 What may be interesting here with these two albums is that today, they certainly can't be considered as obscure.
The list I provided is just to start the conversation about lesser know bands, 2nd tier progressive rock bands from UK that haven't been that successful in 70s.  How many treads, Polls, Top 15 lists we can have about bands like Genesis, Yes, Pink Floyd, VdGG, KC and their albums? I am just "testing the water" David_D

That's very fine, Enigmatic, I'm not questioning your intention with this thread. 
I just like the fact that some 70's bands which certainly were more concerned with musical ambitions than with commercial succes, today have become quite popular.
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The Long Hello are a group made up mostly from members of Van der Graaf Generator, although musically they bear little resemblance to VdGG, instead sounding somewhat jazzy and instrumental (the group doesn't include Peter Hammill).
 

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Admin- can this thread be moved to "Prog Bands, Artists and Genres Appreciation" category, please?

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Morgan - Nova Solis CD (album) cover

Quatermass - Quatermass CD (album) cover

Quiet Sun - Mainstream CD (album) cover

The Web - I Spider CD (album) cover

Shuttah - The Image Maker vol. 1 & 2 CD (album) cover

Room - Pre-Flight CD (album) cover

Ariel - A Strange Fantastic Dream CD (album) cover


That last one is Australian ...





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Atavachron -great recommendations! I am not familiar with Ariel. Shuttah - unexpected discovery, 60-min concept album/rock-opera recorded in 1971, a mixed bag of different music genres: blues/psych/prog/space-rock. A true mystery to me, how album so well arranged and produced could seat on the shelf for over 30 years?

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I am quite surprised that Jan Dukes de Grey have not been mentioned yet. Sun Symphonica belongs to the best tracks of the period by an obscure band.

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Originally posted by enigmatic enigmatic wrote:

Aardvark - s/t (1970)
Affinity - s/t (1970)
Beggars Opera - Waters of Change (1971)
Bram Stoker - Heavy Rock Spectacular (1972)
Catapilla - Changes (1971)
Comus - First Utterance (1971)
Cressida - Asylum (1970)
Diabolus - s/t (1972)
Fantasy - Paint a Picture (1973)
Fields - s/t (1971)
Fuchsia - s/t (1971)
Fuzzy Duck - s/t (1971)
Gnidrolog - Lady Lake (1972)
Gracious - s/t (1970)
Greatest Show on Earth, The - Horizons (1970)
Indian Summer - s/t (1971)
Jody Grind - Far Canal (1970)
Jonesy - Keeping Up (1973)
Julian's Treatment - A Time Before This (1970)
Marsupilami - s/t (1970)
Odin - s/t (1972)
Rare Bird - As Your Mind Flies By (1970)
Raw Material - Time is... (1971)
Samurai - s/t (1971)
Skin Alley - s/t (1970)
Spring - s/t (1971)
Still Life - s/t (1971)
T2 - It'll All Work Out in Boomland (1970)
Titus Groan - s/t (1970)
Web - I Spider (1970)


This list is more or less what was called in the 90's proto-prog when most of these albums got a Cd reissue (a lot of them via the Repertoire label) . Most of these bands only made 1 or two albums back then. TBH, I heard or most of those at that time (90's reissues in CD). 95% of the list was totally unknown to me prior to these reissues.

Of course, we (PA) made the Proto-Prog genre something fairly different

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Gravy Train
Ramases
Audience




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Originally posted by someone_else someone_else wrote:

I am quite surprised that Jan Dukes de Grey have not been mentioned yet. Sun Symphonica belongs to the best tracks of the period by an obscure band.
someone_else - "Mice And Rats In The Loft" is a true gem. I had it on the first version of my list with 50 titles/bands, but I cut it to 30 titles to allow other PA members to contribute and trigger some discussions. Sometimes described as acid folk with progressive rock tendencies, I love this album because there is no other album/band that sounds like it. Very unique sound that cannot be replicated and connected with their preceders.


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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

This list is more or less what was called in the 90's proto-prog when most of these albums got a Cd reissue (a lot of them via the Repertoire label) . Most of these bands only made 1 or two albums back then. TBH, I heard or most of those at that time (90's reissues in CD). 95% of the list was totally unknown to me prior to these reissues.

Of course, we (PA) made the Proto-Prog genre something fairly different

a few possible additions:
Gravy Train
Ramases
Audience


Sean Trane - thanks for the contribution to this thread and your contributions on PA. I am a constant reader of your album reviews for many years now. I wish I could write as good as you.
You are absolutely right. All these bands were called proto-prog back in the 90s on rec.music.progressive newgroup and later on original PE. Since the term means different things to different people, I don't want to use it.  "Second tier" fairly well describes those bands and they are no longer obscure, thanks to PA and world wide web. They were totally unknown to me in the 90s too, with the exception of Rare Bird and Gracious. Rare Bird was pretty popular in Poland in early 70s because of the hit single "Sympathy". Polish record label "Polskie Nagrania" released Rare Bird's compilation album (songs taken from first 2 albums) in 1975 or 1976. Gracious was played on Polish radio few times in 70s, but every time the same song - the suite "The Dream" from the debut. BTW, after moving to USA and few years later after purchasing my first PC and connecting to WWW, Gracious twofer on BGO Records was my first online CD purchase. That was probably in 1996. I remember that too well, waited long enough to hear their 2 albums in entirety. Well, there was no YT back then. Smile

Gravy Train - first 2 albums are my favorite by this band. I tend to spin the debut more often. More bluesy than the second, but with more memorable melodies. Second album from 1971 - "(A Ballad Of) A Peaceful Man" is more progressive, but it lacks in my opinion these haunting, unforgettable moments that we are all looking for in music.
Audience - musically excellent band, but.. I was never able to get into Howard's Werth singing style. Believe me, I've made few attempts over the years without any success.




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Actually, after having been thinking some more about it, I have in the last about 5 years had some focus on early 70's UK bands as I've noticed that they could make music which were a mix of Psychedelic Rock and the new Prog, and which I could like very much.
On that behalf, I've found some "obscure" English albums which I'm fond or very fond of.
Besides those I've already mentioned, are following:


                 Catapilla  (UK) - Catapilla  (1971) 

                 May Blitz  (UK)  -  The 2nd of May  (1971)

                 Steel Mill  (UK)  -  Green Eyed God  (1971)



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Both Catapilla albums are excellent if you can get over the vocals (streaming, wailing more than singing). It took me some time to get used to them. Too bad the sister of Anna Meek, Lady Jo Meek didn't sing on both albums. She can be heard on Julian Jay Savarin "Waiters On The Dance" album from 1971, worth mentioning here too. Any fan of heavy sound of Hammond organs should try Julian's Treatment and Julian Jay Savarin albums.
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Originally posted by enigmatic enigmatic wrote:

Both Catapilla albums are excellent if you can get over the vocals (streaming, wailing more than singing). It took me some time to get used to them. Too bad the sister of Anna Meek, Lady Jo Meek didn't sing on both albums.

I'm not quite so fond of Changes, and I like the very emotional and intense vocal of Anna Meek - you know I'm fond in general of rather heavy stuff. And curiously enough, I've got much more fond of the heavy stuff and even Metal when getting older - the last 15 years - but I guess, it has topped by now.


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Just a few I can think of here...apologies that it's quite folk oriented and that there are repeats from above

Beggars Opera - Waters of Change
Decameron - they made 4 albums but never made much impact
Fresh Maggots - lots of acoustic guitar but also acidic lead guitar
Forest- like a kinder gentler ISB
Third Ear Band - "The Magus" was recorded in 1972 and not released till 2004.  It would have been revolutionary at the time
Amazing Blondel - maybe too prolific to be called obscure - Elizabethan folk rock
Paul Brett Sage - first album is great
Dancer - Tales of the Riverbank - another one from 70s not released until 2000s
Fuchsia - debut from 1971 was their only album until 40+ years later when they released a 2nd album that I actually think was better
Nigel Mazlyn Jones - "Ship to Shore" is excellent
Magna Carta - peak was "Lord of the Ages"
Pererin was around at the end of the 70s but the style is quite earty 70s with some Runrig thrown in.  First 2 albums are exceptional
Strange Days - sole album is really good
Tir Na Nog - Tear and a Smile is excellent
Bran - precursor to Pererin - Hedfan and Ail Ddechra are both good
Fruupp - 4 albums I think, all good
Gracious - 2 good albums
Jade Warrior - used to be obscure, but now it's unclear.  debut is highly recommended
Jonesy - they have appeared on the occasional best prog albums list which they in no way deserve, but they are good
Loudest Whisper - Children of Lir is good
Salamander - Ten Commandments is decent
Sallyangie - sole album made by the teenage Mike and Sally Oldfield
Spriguns - decent but not very undistinguished UK folk rock
Spring - their s/t isn't really obscure anymore







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