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    Posted: September 18 2019 at 00:38
Jurgen , Rick and the rest thought they could 'out ELP' ELP .. and they probably could and did!
My vote is for Refugee.
Other is for those I forgot because I'm getting old.
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I'll vote for Ys just over Greatest Show On Earth
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Triumvirat-the best there is, or was, to be more precise. ELP are great, but T'rat do more than any other band for me, musically.
       The thing is that I think the members of ELP have/had more true faith and belief in the music they made, versus all the members of Triumvirat out there, who could give two you know what's about the group they were in. Except for Helmut Koellen, former lead vocalist/bass and six string guitarist who was the glue that held Triumvirat together, died so long ago. Bummer.
     


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote twosteves Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 18 2019 at 06:38
Refugee is a very solid album---the whole thing flows well and not a bad song on it---
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Hi,

I see things differently ... for example, if Keith had made an album of piano, strictly piano, like Rachel Flowers did of some of his material, I think that everyone would have looked at ELP VERY DIFFERENTLY than they do and did then, as a band with a little too much of this and that ... 

IF, his music had been shown to be as well composed and deserving of a classical appreciation, then the only two bands that he might be worried about would be BANCO and maybe TRIUMVIRAT, though, for my tastes, only BANCO fits within a classical mode in its complete piece of work, and the work they did was not about a solo vignette that sounds classical amidst everything else, as is the case with RW. To me, RW is not classical ... he is the ultimate modern famous musician that does bits and pieces, and has not done a complete piece since the day he was born, because he thinks all the pieces he has heard or looked at are boring, compared to his own music, whose only difference is a different instrument ... like Bill Bruford's example on his cymbals ... sounding completely different ... and then he says ... they are exactly the same thing!

None of those keyboard players are as classic minded and strong as, for example, Eberhard Schoenner, and many other folks out there that have been classical and experimental with keyboards since their first day ... but we won't give them an ear ... and some of those bands, in my book, would never be in my choices at all. Even folks like Peter Michael Hamel deserve the mention, although some would suggest that his material is more meditative and weird, than it is anything else, and he IS the professor and scholar in music compared to many of the others here, who just play in a band!

Another example, ANGE deserves to be there a lot more than half those bands, as their design in many pieces, is almost totally classical, and not rock song/hit oriented. I would even add LE ORME, however, it only really applies to a lot of their very early material and ends with FELONA E SERONA.

REFUGEE has been from day one, a favorite of mine, but I do not consider them "classical" even though they did two long pieces, which was more of a comment on THE NICE than it was anything else ... in the end, when Patrick Moraz went in a different direction, classically minded material was not what he did, which suggested that it had been someone else's idea in the first place. Thus, I do not really consider him in that club. I can not speak for his later material as I have not heard anything of his for the past 25 or 30 years.


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Le Orme is so much more enjoyable to me than anything done by ELP
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U.K.!!!!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Gerinski Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 18 2019 at 09:27
Pär Lindh Project's Gothic Impressions could also be on the list.

From Le Orme I feel that Contrappunti is more ELP-like than Felona e Sorona.

At any rate too many great albums there to make a single choice, sorry... Danger Money, Felona e Sorona, Ys, Six Wives, Illusions on a Double Dimple, Darwin... impossible to choose!
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Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

Pär Lindh Project's Gothic Impressions could also be on the list.

From Le Orme I feel that Contrappunti is more ELP-like than Felona e Sorona.

At any rate too many great albums there to make a single choice, sorry... Danger Money, Felona e Sorona, Ys, Six Wives, Illusions on a Double Dimple, Darwin... impossible to choose!

and I think Contrappunti is their weakest album
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Barbu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 18 2019 at 10:40
^ You clearly haven't heard Smogmagica.

Contra is pretty solid imo and Smog is definitely their weakest.
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Really great thread idea and a good way to see what others have done that is similar. Glad to see Ars Nova on the list. However, one band I really think should be on here is Mastermind. Maybe for their Brain storm vol. 2 album. Very under rated and sort of like a more hard rockish/ metallish version of ELP.

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Originally posted by Barbu Barbu wrote:

^ You clearly haven't heard Smogmagica.

Contra is pretty solid imo and Smog is definitely their weakest.

but I have...I know a lot of people rate Contrappunti very highly but I couldn't get into it.  Smogmagica isn't great but I didn't mind it as much

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Barbu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 18 2019 at 11:20
Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

Originally posted by Barbu Barbu wrote:

^ You clearly haven't heard Smogmagica.

Contra is pretty solid imo and Smog is definitely their weakest.


but I have...I know a lot of people rate Contrappunti very highly but I couldn't get into it.  Smogmagica isn't great but I didn't mind it as much


Not even 'Frutto Acerbo'?! Delightful Orme.
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I thought no one on this Earth remembered Cairo! It produced great keyboard-oriented prog. If only it would have lasted more, and if only the label would have made them more publicity!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lewian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 18 2019 at 11:38
Not sure about ELP in this respect, but I like Felona e Sorona and Darwin! most of these (of the 8 I know that is). Vote goes to Le Orme. Obviously the best album that ELP never made is the best album of all time (whatever that is for you), but I guess this is not what richardh wanted us to write.


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Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:


but I have...I know a lot of people rate Contrappunti very highly but I couldn't get into it.  Smogmagica isn't great but I didn't mind it as much


2 stars for Contrappunti ??? Shocked
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Barbu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 18 2019 at 12:10
I just gave a listen to Contappunti and it's quite surprising that you couldn't get into it, Ken. The first track sounds heavily and excellently like ELP (not as much as the awesome Papillon par contre haha) but the rest is classic Orme sounding to these ears. but to each his own, of course...a solid four for me.

Edited by Barbu - September 18 2019 at 12:17
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote presdoug Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 18 2019 at 12:10
Some not mentioned yet

The Trip-Atlantide and Time Of Change

Triade-La Storia di Sabazio

The Pink Mice-In Action

Quatermass-Quatermass


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