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Rocktopus
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Topic: Vangelis was progressive! Posted: September 15 2008 at 13:16 |
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He was actually so progressive back in the 70's he shouldn't be in just progrelated.
I think there's 8, maybe 9 really great albums on this list (I don't have China). I do love the most popular one: Heaven And Hell, but I have a soft spot for his two untypical 1971 releases the (avant)jazzy Hypothesis and the easternsounding and rocking The Dragon. They were the first two I got into. Funny that Vangelis didn't want any of them released. My list: 1 Hypothesis 2 The Dragon 3 Heaven And Hell 4 Sex Power 5 L' Apocalypse des Animaux 6 Earth 7 Albedo 0.39 8 Beaubourg 9 Spiral 10 Ignacio What's your favorite? Edited by Rocktopus - September 15 2008 at 14:55 |
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febus
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Posted: September 15 2008 at 13:23 | |
First of all,I don't know them all, thus making my selection not very objective as i have a weakness for ''Heaven and Hell'' an album i have fond memories coming with when i grew up back then .
''L'apocalypse des animaux'' would be my second choice!
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Logan
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Posted: September 15 2008 at 13:40 | |
My two choices would be in reverse -- went with l'Apocalypse des Animaux.... That said, I still don't know enough Vangelis albums, and haven't listened to Vangelis in quite some years (I was biggest on Vangelis when I was really into "New Age" music -- Kitaro and Vangelis were my faves at one time). |
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Luke. J
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Posted: September 15 2008 at 13:42 | |
I also don't know all, especially the "rare" records, but I'll go with China. One of the few albums by him I like more than "a bit". Actually, I think China is a masterpiece on it's own.
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memowakeman
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Posted: September 15 2008 at 13:49 | |
Vangelis has released several great albums, though i don't know all of the list, i will vote for L' Apocalypse des Animaux which i personally adore and think it's one of his masterpieces. Talking about post 80s, my favourite album is Mask!
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Ricochet
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Posted: September 15 2008 at 14:02 | |
I doubt Vangelis will be moved back to Prog Electronic, the lead Specialist of the genre thinks his music was too commercial.
Somehow, contrary to J.M.Jarre, I believe a couple of albums in the mid 70s are Prog Electronic, even (sometimes) Electronic Rock. As for the poll, my heart is with Heaven And Hell, Vangelis's most fantastic work for me. |
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Rocktopus
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Posted: September 15 2008 at 14:19 | |
First of all, that's no real reason, and second, its not really true. About half of these albums quite experimental, and not much here can be labelled commercial. I know he was commercial from the 80's and on, but so was almost every band who survived the 70's. These specialists can't have heard Hypothesis, The Dragon or Beaubourg. |
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Ricochet
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Posted: September 15 2008 at 14:22 | |
C'est la vie, I basically feel the same way. |
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: September 15 2008 at 14:34 | |
Been a long time since I've heard Beauborg. Why hasn't anyone voted for that one?
Too commercial? I think the closest he came to commercial was the Chariots Of Eggs soundtrack. Here's my CDs (don't have LPs cataloged). Albedo 0.39 1975 Heaven and Hell 1975 Spiral 1977 China 1979 Opera Sauvage 1979 Antarctica - The Original Motion Picture Soundtrack 1983 Direct 1988 City, The 1990 Voices 1995 Oceanic 1996 El Greco 1998 Mythodea 2001 None of those are commercial, in fact the last two are arguably classical. |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Rocktopus
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Posted: September 15 2008 at 14:35 | |
I guess both Vangelis and I will survive. But he sure sticks out among all the 70's hardrock, indiebands and progartists soloprojects surrounding him. |
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: September 15 2008 at 14:44 | |
Albedo 0.39 got my vote. I wore out a couple of copies of that one.
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Ricochet
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Posted: September 15 2008 at 15:03 | |
I think Opera Sauvage, Antarctica, The City, Voices and Oceanic, out of these, are albums that can make up the reason for Vangelis' unprogressiveness and, in part, commercial approach. |
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russellk
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Posted: September 15 2008 at 15:14 | |
^ True. But the rules of the site specify that if one album from an artist is fully progressive, that artist should be included as progressive. Based on his earlier albums, I cannot work out why Vangelis is not an integral part of the progressive electronic sub-genre. A hundred bad, commercial albums (Pete Namlook or Rick Wakeman, anyone?) shouldn't negate one fully prog album.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: September 15 2008 at 15:31 | |
OK, on second thought I can buy Antarctica as being somewhat commercial. By the way, if anyone hasn't seen the movie, I liked it. The first three in that list are my faves. I wonder why?
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Ricochet
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Posted: September 15 2008 at 15:34 | |
I have to mention that I personally don't take that rule very serious, especially considering electronic artists that could write a prog song today and a chillout thing tomorrow. Besides, I haven't actually seen it as a rule, but more as a guideline some members/collaborators follow. P.S.: Pete Namlook mainly wrote awful music with awful collaborators, in an awful reflex. Otherwise, his music is quite good. Rick Wakeman wrote mostly awful music from Rapsodies till Out There, but I'll let Iván tell you (in many sentences) why he's in Symphonic. Edited by Ricochet - September 15 2008 at 15:35 |
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Easy Livin
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Posted: September 15 2008 at 15:49 | |
Presumably a simplistic summary of the reasoning? Where would that leave Genesis?
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: September 15 2008 at 15:56 | |
If it was for Heaven & Hell, I would fight to add him to Symphonic, but sadly he made a lot of New Age and soundtracks.
Iván Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - December 19 2009 at 09:49 |
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Ricochet
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Posted: September 15 2008 at 15:58 | |
Why do we always (or often) get to Genesis? BTW, as a hater of experimental unmelodic music (aka Beaubourg), how would you rate, in terms of prog, that side of Vangelis? Edited by Ricochet - September 15 2008 at 15:59 |
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Easy Livin
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Posted: September 15 2008 at 16:57 | |
I'm afraid my review was rather predictable! http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=124609
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Ricochet
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Posted: September 15 2008 at 17:01 | |
Okay, got the part that it should be avoided and it's totally bad, but how would you rate, in terms of prog, that side of Vangelis? |
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