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TheLamb 
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 Posted: November 21 2005 at 13:09 |
 W.Chuck wrote:
First, speed doesn't reduce the melody, lol what a sh*t... |
I didn't say that speed reduces melody, I meant that sometimes when you play fast the quality of your melody reduces, and that's not always a bad thing!
If you can maintain a beautiful melody while playing really fast thats great but its not very easy, and thats not always what you want. If you make a fast solo too melodic and/or emotional it might ruin what your trying to achive by playing it fast in the first place.
And of course, theres no "Right or Wrong" in music, its not like that if you play fast you have to play with reduced quality of melody, everything can be done in a good way or in a bad way, it dosen't matter what you do as long as you do it good...
I got much more to say in this subject but I'll save my arguments for the following posts... :P
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TheLamb
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Posted: November 21 2005 at 13:00 |
polumbric wrote:
Symphony X can be argued to be just that - Power Metal |
mm... I'd say the Symphony X might be more influenced by Power Metal than by Bach, Prog, or Neo-Classical, but they are still heavily influenced by these styles, and they are not "Plain Power Metal", Cause if they were I wouldn't like them (I'm not so fond of power metal), and I do like them, so their not! 
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W.Chuck
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Posted: November 21 2005 at 12:57 |
TheLamb wrote:
I dont understand... Do you think that when you play 20 notes per second (probably exaggerated but nevermind) there's a "Melody"? There's no melody in those speeds, and if there was you wouldn't be able to hear it... I guarantee you that it's on purpose too, he ain't loosing control, and being a musician myself (not a guitarist but still...) I'll tell you that sometimes are just looking for speed to give some kind of feel to what your playing and it dosent really matter what you play as long as you're playing the notes accurately, and If you heard any of Petrucci's solos you will know that he plays incredibly accurate!
By the way, What's a "Soli", some kind of propper english?  |
TheLamb wrote:
Besides, your only talking about solos! Thats wrong in my opinion. You should listen to the amazing things that Petrucci does besides solos, He's a great rythm guitarist aswel and he uses his outstanding technique during parts with vocals or keyboard solo, whatever, not only his own solos. I wish I could say the same about Romeo, he just does angry power coords, but maybe thats because Symphony X's style is more influenced by power metal.... |
First, speed doesn't reduce the melody, lol what a sh*t...
and do you know how rarely MJR plays powerchords?...
Mostly metal licks and his riffs are awesome as well as his arpeggios (not solo).
And "soli", well I'm german and the plural of "solo" in German is "soli", and in German it is a superior form than "solos". I don't know if it is the same in the english language...
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horza
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Posted: November 21 2005 at 12:51 |
Romeo for me  Petrucci is great though
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Xymphony
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Posted: November 21 2005 at 12:44 |
polumbric wrote:
Symphony X can be argued to be just that - Power Metal |
You must make sth clear. Hammerfall is also power metal. There must be SOME difference ;)
They use power metal elements,(reducing in every album) but you can not say S.X. is a power metal band...
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Posted: November 21 2005 at 12:42 |
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Romeo is a very "creative" composer imo. And he writes every notes (including rythm guitar parts) with great creativity and diversity. Just liston to their album V...
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polumbric
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Posted: November 21 2005 at 12:35 |
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Symphony X can be argued to be just that - Power Metal
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TheLamb
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Posted: November 21 2005 at 12:27 |
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Besides, your only talking about solos! Thats wrong in my opinion. You should listen to the amazing things that Petrucci does besides solos, He's a great rythm guitarist aswel and he uses his outstanding technique during parts with vocals or keyboard solo, whatever, not only his own solos. I wish I could say the same about Romeo, he just does angry power coords, but maybe thats because Symphony X's style is more influenced by power metal....
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TheLamb
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Posted: November 21 2005 at 12:12 |
W.Chuck wrote:
It's just about the speed, he plays it too fast that I can really call it a good solo and so he loses control over the melody |
I dont understand... Do you think that when you play 20 notes per second (probably exaggerated but nevermind) there's a "Melody"? There's no melody in those speeds, and if there was you wouldn't be able to hear it... I guarantee you that it's on purpose too, he ain't loosing control, and being a musician myself (not a guitarist but still...) I'll tell you that sometimes are just looking for speed to give some kind of feel to what your playing and it dosent really matter what you play as long as you're playing the notes accurately, and If you heard any of Petrucci's solos you will know that he plays incredibly accurate!
By the way, What's a "Soli", some kind of propper english?
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Xymphony
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Posted: November 21 2005 at 12:11 |
Erik wrote:
Xymphony wrote:
Well said, i agree most of what you said. But one thing to add, Romeo is obviously faster than Petrucci... You can see his real speed in live performances ;) Don't get me wrong, speed is only one thing. Petrucci has also got several + 's |
I've seen DT live three times now and I can certainly say that Petrucci shows some amazing stuff on stage. I don't really think you have a very good point there, I mean I saw the Red Hot Chili Peppers perform live and they don't have an extremely good guitarist like Petrucci or Romeo but on stage Fruiscante shows a lot more skill then on the albums.
I think most guitarists love to show off when they are on stage.
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I meant "Romeo can play with a lot of speed in the studio albums, which can be compared to the speed of Petrucci. However, He can also play them live with much speed and almost same control and cleanness. And these are faster than Petrucci's live or studio... But he is not only a speed guitarist, in some demonstration videos, Romeo plays the parts with reducing the speed almost half, and still plays that smooth :)
BTW, i haven't seen any recent Dream Theater vids, so my comment does not include them.
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Posted: November 21 2005 at 12:01 |
Xymphony wrote:
Well said, i agree most of what you said. But one thing
to add, Romeo is obviously faster than Petrucci... You can see his real
speed in live performances ;) Don't get me wrong, speed is only
one thing. Petrucci has also got several + 's |
I've seen DT live
three times now and I can certainly say that Petrucci shows some
amazing stuff on stage. I don't really think you have a very good point
there, I mean I saw the Red Hot Chili Peppers perform live and they
don't have an extremely good guitarist like Petrucci or Romeo but on
stage Fruiscante shows a lot more skill then on the albums.
I think most guitarists love to show off when they are on stage.
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Posted: November 21 2005 at 11:48 |
W.Chuck wrote:
It's just about the speed, he plays it too fast that I can really call it a good solo and so he loses control over the melody
[Any1 of you heard THE DARK CHAPTER by Michael Romeo?...] |
Now i understand, and yes there has been one or two solos that have been faster than i would have licked but overall my choice remains petrucci
sadly i havent had the chance to hear the dark chappter, is it any good?
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FragileDT
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Posted: November 21 2005 at 11:45 |
W.Chuck wrote:
It's just about the speed, he plays it too fast that I can
really call it a good solo and so he loses control over the melody
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I wouldn't really call it losing control but I would say that he plays the notes
too fast to actually enjoy the solo. I feel like there could have been a much,
much better solo there.
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One likes to believe
In the freedom of music
But glittering prizes
And endless Compromises
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W.Chuck
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Posted: November 21 2005 at 11:44 |
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It's just about the speed, he plays it too fast that I can really call it a good solo and so he loses control over the melody
[Any1 of you heard THE DARK CHAPTER by Michael Romeo?...]
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Posted: November 21 2005 at 11:42 |
W.Chuck wrote:
sleeper wrote:
In what way does petrucci loose controle? |
Panic Attack for example... |
Im not not a musician so explain it
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FragileDT
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Posted: November 21 2005 at 11:36 |
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Petrucci is a better guitarist. He has more control with his speed. I find
Petrucci to play more emotionally and have a wider variety of style. Listen to
"an evening with Petrucci and Rudess" or LTE. Petrucci all the way for me
(not to say Romeo is bad or anything, in fact he is very, very good.)
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One likes to believe
In the freedom of music
But glittering prizes
And endless Compromises
Shatter the illusion
Of integrity
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W.Chuck
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Posted: November 21 2005 at 11:08 |
sleeper wrote:
In what way does petrucci loose controle? |
Panic Attack for example...
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W.Chuck
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Posted: November 21 2005 at 11:07 |
W.Chuck wrote:
AtLossForWords wrote:
I couldn't disagree more! Petrucci is the most controlled speed guitarist there will ever be. Just look at Scenes From a Memory. Solos like Fatal Tragedy are lightning speed with excellent string skipping, and then there is a solo like The Spirit Carries On, a controlled well phrashed solo that shows a great sense of musical harmony. The same goes for Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence, songs like the Glass Prison and The Test That Stumpted Them All are speed freak precision, and then a song like Goodnight Kiss or Solitary Shell shows musicality and control. Mike Romeo is also the more neo-classical player. Most of Romeo's solos are built around fugue motifs.
Note: Just because Mike Romeo does more string skipping does not mean Petrucci rarely string skips, nor does it justify that Romeo's solos are not as dirty as they sound. You can't argue that solos are Smoke and Mirrors and Sea of Lies are filthy solos. |
Lol, of course Petrucci make good sounding soli but sometimes he really loses control about his soli and is just to fast, MJR however has more control in my opinion and composes much better soli.
And what I meant with the string skipping...
When you change from the 6th to the 1st string and so on it's not as easy to have a perfectly clean sound, but MJR masters it really well.
And Michael Romeo often uses classical scales but is a more diverse player than a lot of guys here think... |
Dark Lucidity wrote:
got to be Michael Romeo
Those who think that his stuff is the same on every album haven't listened enough.[:)
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Right, Michael Romeos soli have a lot of potential you will hear by listening to them really often![/QUOTE]
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Paulieg
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Posted: November 21 2005 at 11:06 |
I voted for Romeo. Both guitarists are awesome, it just comes down to taste for me and I prefer
Romeo.
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W.Chuck
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Posted: November 21 2005 at 11:06 |
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