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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2004 at 03:12
Originally posted by Peter Rideout Peter Rideout wrote:

There's nothing new for me there. The compilation and "best of" discs that I own are most often (apart from -- gasp -- downloads!) the only material I own by those bands.

There are exceptions, though - I am thinking especially of "Echoes" by Pink Floyd; a compilation so well remastered and put together, that it works as an album in its own right; no mean feat, as it contains tracks from Barrett era psychedelica, through to Waters era paranoia - I have all the albums, but on the strength of hearing this at a friend's house, purchased this, too.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 25 2004 at 12:38

I go on holiday for two weeks, and return to find myself late to one of the best debates on the forum for ages!

On balance, I agree with Peter almost word for word (and not just because you mention a review I posted Peter! [Bob McBeath])Wink

The Marillion album specifically discussed contains one of their "legendary" tracks in "Grendel". It's not on any of their official albums, and for that reason alone (assuming you like the track, which the reviewer seems to do), the album would warrant more than one star. Yes, the track is on other compilations, but it is still quite rare. I think the reviewer recognises this, so to that extent I would say that the star rating is at odds with the review.

As for rating compilations in general, I have a bit of a quandry. I reckon reviewers who are familar with the work of the band should consider how well they represent the band's work. Most people reading seeking out reviews of specific compilations will be  be wanting to know if they are a good place to start or not. That said, I agree with Peter that I would usually tend to consider the music in isolation, i.e. do i like what I hear, regardless of whether it is actually "The best of".

Compliations vary greatly of course. Some seek to gather together the band's most accessible work. Some seek to present what the compiler feels is the best of the band, regardless of how successful in commercial terms they were. Others collect rarer tracks not previously on official albums (such as the Marillion one in question). Finally, some merely include what is contractually available to the complier (BJH seem to suffer form this type more than most).

This once again is where I feel the Marillion review was flawed. The compliation was clearly not intended to be a "Best of", so tracks like "Kayleigh" and "Lavender" were rightly omitted.

Finally, while I accept that the star ratings are here to stay, and rightly so, I agree with Peter again that they are not that important. If the review is well considered and presented, the reader should be able to conclude what the star rating will be before they actually see it.

By the way, I like the word completionist. If we use it often enough, it will be included in the Oxford English dictionary!

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 25 2004 at 16:37

I want a degree in completionistismology. Ah, the glory of Liberal Arts!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 25 2004 at 18:00

The Best Of Marillion case proves to me at least that the star system is pointless. Maybe a Thumbs Up or a Thumbs Down would suffice as a general pointer before reading the actual review. An overall reviewers rating at the top of the albums review page would give a quicker guide to the merits of the piece. Ie You would have the Title of The Album followed by a Thumbs Up orThumbs Down followed by a percentage.

Actually I've just realised that idea is already used by "Rotten Tomatoes" Movie site.

For those who havent used this site try:

www.rottentomatoes.com/m/shaun_of_the_dead/

 




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 25 2004 at 18:30
Originally posted by penguindf12 penguindf12 wrote:

Originally posted by James Lee James Lee wrote:

How about a thread of some of the more unique contributions to the reviews? While I don't necessarily want to single people out for ridicule, I think some really fascinatingly mystifying points of view have been submitted. Humor (intentional or unintentional), bizarre observations, or just plain missing the point entirely would be good criteria. Even some of the more warped web-translations would work (I, for one, have come to look forward to andrea salvador's submissions).

Here's some recent examples to get us started:

YES - Fragile
Review by penguindf12 @ 6:01:53 PM EST, 8/11/2004

4 stars  —   Great album. Excellent. But it's just not Pink Floyd. It would be a five-star in my opinion if I could find out the concept of it or the theme here. I assume it has one? Maybe I'm just nieve, but I can't figure out the lyrical meaning behind the excellent music. If someone could point me to the purpose of the album, please do.
 

Hey! I was the co-founder of a topic before I even knew it! Not necessarily a good thing is thing case...Hmm...yeah, that was the first non-Floyd review I wrote... I wasn't sure what prog was about then, and thought every album was a concept album...very nieve of me, but now i've got a better review for that album now. Big oops there...

Yet another blow to my ego...

Hehe, don't worry about it.  We were all ignorant towards the ways of prog at some point.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 25 2004 at 20:32

Thanx, I feel better now.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 02 2004 at 06:38
CAMEL - A live Record (2 CD)
Review by camel @ 10:54:46 PM EST, 10/1/2004
5 stars  —   Here we can hear The best CAMEL's albums. The pieces are quite short, but how good! No fillers! The sound is soft, pleasant to hear. Flute, female vocals, thin drums, smooth guitar, everything form a unique soft prog of the 70's. I know that many women like this album, because it is a rather feminine progressive rock. The songs are not all the same style. It's been 10 years since I haven't been listening to it and, let me tell you, it's better than ever! Very efficient! It's a good emotion transporter. Extremely recommended!
 
 
I'm sorry, I didn't get that. Could you repeat it?
 
CAMEL - The Snow Goose
Review by camel @ 10:52:32 PM EST, 10/1/2004
5 stars  —   The best CAMEL's albums. The pieces are quite short, but how good! No fillers! The sound is soft, pleasant to hear. Flute, female vocals, thin drums, smooth guitar, everything form a unique soft prog of the 70's. I know that many women like this album, because it is a rather feminine progressive rock. The songs are not all the same style. It's been 10 years since I haven't been listening to it and, let me tell you, it's better than ever! Very efficient! It's a good emotion transporter. Extremely recommended!
 
Ah, ok, I got it that time. Sometimes you have to slightly rephrase things to get the point across...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 02 2004 at 19:56
Originally posted by James Lee James Lee wrote:

CAMEL - A live Record (2 CD)
Review by camel @ 10:54:46 PM EST, 10/1/2004
5 stars  —   Here we can hear The best CAMEL's albums. The pieces are quite short, but how good! No fillers! The sound is soft, pleasant to hear. Flute, female vocals, thin drums, smooth guitar, everything form a unique soft prog of the 70's. I know that many women like this album, because it is a rather feminine progressive rock. The songs are not all the same style. It's been 10 years since I haven't been listening to it and, let me tell you, it's better than ever! Very efficient! It's a good emotion transporter. Extremely recommended!
 
 
I'm sorry, I didn't get that. Could you repeat it?
 
CAMEL - The Snow Goose
Review by camel @ 10:52:32 PM EST, 10/1/2004
5 stars  —   The best CAMEL's albums. The pieces are quite short, but how good! No fillers! The sound is soft, pleasant to hear. Flute, female vocals, thin drums, smooth guitar, everything form a unique soft prog of the 70's. I know that many women like this album, because it is a rather feminine progressive rock. The songs are not all the same style. It's been 10 years since I haven't been listening to it and, let me tell you, it's better than ever! Very efficient! It's a good emotion transporter. Extremely recommended!
 
Ah, ok, I got it that time. Sometimes you have to slightly rephrase things to get the point across...



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 02 2004 at 23:31

is there a band called Dromedary?

Camel tribute band name up for grabs!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 03 2004 at 05:05
Eh? Female vocals on The Snow Goose???
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 03 2004 at 10:55

Originally posted by Fitzcarraldo Fitzcarraldo wrote:

Eh? Female vocals on The Snow Goose???

I suppose the vocals on "Migration" could be mistaken for female vocals, they are high pitched, and not unlike Pentangle's "Light flight".Wink

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 03 2004 at 12:42
PAIN OF SALVATION - Be
Review by Hallgeir Kjønø @ 10:03:25 AM EST, 10/3/2004
5 stars  —   I recieved this cd yesterday. The first thing i did was to read the booklet, I had to figure out "what this consept really is about?". I`m glad i did.'BE' is one of the most perfect consept-albums ever. This is a CD where you must consider the hole specter, story, lyrics and ofcourse music. And is grows on you for each time.

5 Star just like that?????????????????
I have to presume that Hallgeir Kjønø had heard this album before buying it "yesterday" -  the last sentence "And it grows on you each time", doesn't suggest an instant 5 star album...........................
Is it time again to explain the concept of star ratings here?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 03 2004 at 13:37

I agree with you completely Mr Heath. The archives are filled with reveiws that recieve  4-5 stars undeserved. I realize alot of you are big fans out there but one must look at a cd in someone else's eyes.

I have been the victim of this several times spending about $100 dollars on cds I was unimpressed. One must look at the big picture when doing a review 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 03 2004 at 14:32
or at least consider the hole specter
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 06 2004 at 16:58
I just wanted to take my hat off to Bob McBeath a.k.a. Easy Livin: he's just posted his 393'rd album review and I'm always interested to read what he has to say.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2004 at 04:55
PINK FLOYD Dark Side Of The Moon 30th anniversary edition progressive rock album and reviews PINK FLOYD - Dark Side Of The Moon (30th anniversary edition)
Review by Emmanuele P @ 1:15:59 AM EST, 10/10/2004
5 stars  —   Peoples are considering this Album bad could be taking wrong the real meaning of the Album itself. Maybe is true that is only for Colletionists (or Completionists ...whatever!) but I really think that your Stereo is really the problem in this story. Try to listen this Album with an Hi-Fi Stereo with a 5.1 surround of 5000W. and then tell me if you cannot listen the voice or some of the sounds of the songs in this Album. Obviously older Stereo are not completely compatible with this CD new generation and the Cd itself could be wrongly considered a flop. Now another thing... this is a good prove that they are still planning to get good money and easily (not sure if go directly to the Gilmour account of the all 4 together since Waters lost the law cause) but if I have to tell you the true for me Pink Floyd group is dead and now the only one still alive is Roger Waters with his tournee around the world saying the true about the rules of this cruel world and fighting for the right of the humanity. So Gilmour can go to hell and should not get any penny about... Regards, Emmanuele.
 
 
 putting 'regards' at the end is a particularly nice touch! 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2004 at 12:28
Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Originally posted by James Lee James Lee wrote:

CAMEL - A live Record (2 CD)
Review by camel @ 10:54:46 PM EST, 10/1/2004
5 stars  —   Here we can hear The best CAMEL's albums. The pieces are quite short, but how good! No fillers! The sound is soft, pleasant to hear. Flute, female vocals, thin drums, smooth guitar, everything form a unique soft prog of the 70's. I know that many women like this album, because it is a rather feminine progressive rock. The songs are not all the same style. It's been 10 years since I haven't been listening to it and, let me tell you, it's better than ever! Very efficient! It's a good emotion transporter. Extremely recommended!
 
 
I'm sorry, I didn't get that. Could you repeat it?
 
CAMEL - The Snow Goose
Review by camel @ 10:52:32 PM EST, 10/1/2004
5 stars  —   The best CAMEL's albums. The pieces are quite short, but how good! No fillers! The sound is soft, pleasant to hear. Flute, female vocals, thin drums, smooth guitar, everything form a unique soft prog of the 70's. I know that many women like this album, because it is a rather feminine progressive rock. The songs are not all the same style. It's been 10 years since I haven't been listening to it and, let me tell you, it's better than ever! Very efficient! It's a good emotion transporter. Extremely recommended!
 
Ah, ok, I got it that time. Sometimes you have to slightly rephrase things to get the point across...




Sarcasm - careful the Camel might get the hump - or even two.

Hey! This is my review! I did not asked him to copy it!

CAMEL The Snow Goose
Review by greenback @ 7:38:14 AM EST, 4/8/2004

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5 stars  —  The best CAMEL's albums. The pieces are quite short, but how good! No fillers! The sound is soft, pleasant to hear. Flute, female vocals, thin drums, smooth guitar, everything form a unique soft prog of the 70's. I know that many women like this album, because it is a rather feminine progressive rock. The songs are not all the same style. It's been 10 years since I haven't been listening to it and, let me tell you, it's better than ever! Very efficient! It's a good emotion transporter.

Extremely recommended!

And yes there are female vocals on The great marsh.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2004 at 13:35

^ hahaha, I find it even funnier that he copied your exact review and used it for a different album.

Seriously though, those need to get taken off.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2004 at 13:53

I think there should be a limit of reviews on each album...perhaps 5...they could weed out the weak ones and when someone writes a new one the admin would determine if the new one said anything new or worthy as to merit it bumping out a previous one. That would encourage the new reviewer to write something meaningful

but perhaps that would be too much work for the admins

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