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Prog_Bassist
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Topic: Petition for Muse to be in progarchives!! Posted: February 13 2005 at 16:30 |
Muse should definetly be in the archives. Especially if Radiohead is, because Muse (if you ask me) has more prog elements in them then radiohead.
Just listen to Butterflies and Hurricanes.
Art Rock.
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Certif1ed
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Posted: February 13 2005 at 16:40 |
I voted Yes, even though this has come up before - quite recently - and I don't really think Muse are prog... but they could be, and they're certainly one of the most bombastic bands around today.
I don't think they have nearly as many progressive elements as Radiohead, though - they have produced no equivalent of "Kid A", for example.
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Prog_Bassist
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Posted: February 13 2005 at 16:47 |
I didn't know about another topic like this, cuz I wasnt here for a couple weeks.
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Easy Livin
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Posted: February 13 2005 at 16:49 |
PB,
I'm not keen on the argument which say X band should be here because Y band are. Each band should be judged on their own merits.
I'm not very familiar with Muse. Can you make a case for them based on their music alone, assessed against the description of art rock in the "Prog rock?" section? I think that might be more persuasive than comparing them to Radiohead.
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Prog_Bassist
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Posted: February 13 2005 at 17:13 |
Easy Livin wrote:
PB,
I'm not keen on the argument which say X band should be here because Y band are. Each band should be judged on their own merits.
I'm not very familiar with Muse. Can you make a case for them based on their music alone, assessed against the description of art rock in the "Prog rock?" section? I think that might be more persuasive than comparing them to Radiohead. |
I already suggested Butterflies and Hurricanes.
And despite the fact I said cuz Radiohead are here, I didn't mean just for that reason.
I think they are quite Art Rock. But if it's just my opinion, then so be it.
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alan_pfeifer
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Posted: February 13 2005 at 17:21 |
I don't think they should be included. While they do share many similarties to Radiohead, they are more closely tied to Alternative Rock that prog. But I do like them.
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Valarius
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Posted: February 13 2005 at 17:34 |
No.
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Sweetnighter
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Posted: February 13 2005 at 20:05 |
I don't really have an opinion on the group... but you should make a
submission to M@X if you want the band included... there's a
thumb-tacked thread in the collaborator's subforum about how to make a
submission. That would probably be a little more effective in seeing
them being entered... and honestly, those who would oppose wouldn't be
agitated by threads like this. Not that they're bad, but they just tend
to rile people up.
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Prog_Bassist
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Posted: February 13 2005 at 20:32 |
ah, I know what you mean.
....too lazy.
I don't even care anymore.
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JrKASperov
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Posted: February 14 2005 at 02:03 |
This is the reason Why I made that rediculous poll.
You guys are getting more and mroe disgusting lately
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Epic.
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richardh
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Posted: February 14 2005 at 11:55 |
Yes please.Pompous and over the top but with a dynamic sound unequalled in modern music,I love them almost as much as ELP.Check out the track Meglomania.It's pure prog.
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Syzygy
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Posted: February 14 2005 at 17:29 |
Good idea - they're heaps better than a lot of the sad neo prog acts endlessly recycling their favourite bits of the 70s classics. Apparently even Rick wakenan has pronounced them a prog band - you wouldn't argue with the caped crusader, would you?
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Posted: February 15 2005 at 19:53 |
JrKASperov wrote:
This is the reason Why I made that rediculous poll.
You guys are getting more and mroe disgusting lately
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agreed
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Reed Lover
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Posted: February 15 2005 at 19:56 |
Joren wrote:
JrKASperov wrote:
This is the reason Why I made that rediculous poll.
You guys are getting more and mroe disgusting lately
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agreed
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me too!
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Prog_Bassist
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Posted: February 15 2005 at 21:22 |
I restate the fact that they are prog.
THEY ARE PROG!!!! IF GOD IS MY WITNESS!!!
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Joren
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Posted: February 15 2005 at 21:30 |
Yeah, right...
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Captain Fudge
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Posted: February 16 2005 at 14:53 |
Good lordie whoadie, this message board is going overboard . But seriously, how could this teenybopper trash sit next to Urah Heep, no matter the genre differences?
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Epic. Simply epic.
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the musical box
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Posted: February 16 2005 at 14:59 |
i've never heard them personally, but they are Rick Wakeman's fave. new band, so maybe.
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something pretentious
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Certif1ed
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Posted: February 16 2005 at 15:33 |
Captain Fudge wrote:
Good lordie whoadie, this message board is going overboard. But seriously, how could this teenybopper trash sit next to Urah Heep, no matter the genre differences? |
Muse out-prog and out-class Uriah Heep easily - but I still don't think that Muse are really prog. Nor are any of the UH albums I've heard - and I've only got Salisbury left to hear before I finally realise they're a great rock band in the Spinal Tap sense, but not prog. No. Prog? Nope. Nicht. NOT.
But I don't care! UH can play in the Archives too!
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Soulman
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Posted: February 17 2005 at 01:15 |
I selected Yes. Even if they are not comparable to bands in the past.
The art form itself has progressed into that style of music, and still
shows some relation to symphonic prog minus the talentedness. It is
still hard to say how some of these experimental/indie rock bands will
evolve and strive for better musical excellence.
As much as I like the indie bands that can create emotion and
experiment with certain things in music; I still desire to hear some
intense riffs and climacticism in my music. Bands like Radiohead and
Muse, seem to lack that in some sense, and I guess could not be
compared to bands in the past. I still suggest they be included in prog
archives, as I think the progressive community should notice how their
music is "progressing", even if it isn't their music of their
generation. However, I'm making the assumption that Muse is prog. Muse
can be prog if they developed a bit more. They are still progressive
music culture.
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