Bob Dylan

The Truth wrote: ExittheLemming wrote: Oh, I almost forgot, if Dylan sounds like Roger Waters then my air conditioning unit is the greatest unsigned act in the history of prog.                                                                                                                                                                                                                Incorrect and Uninformed Jeez, would people get off the Roger Waters thing!? It's just my  ^  opinion!

Fixed

Sorry, I'm really not a mean person but I had to get that in


Edited by J-Man - August 23 2009 at 12:29

People stopped posting on this and that upsets me because I think this deserves more thought. Bob Dylan's lyrics are one of the three main things that pretty much created prog, (The other two being Zappa's experimentalism and Sgt. Pepper's concept album,) and Zappa and the Beatles are on here so...

Good point Mick, guess I was kind of trying too hard wasn't I?

Progfan1958 wrote: Dylan is brilliant....but prog ?   No. Unless we're going to add another category and call it "Roots Prog" ( Just Kidding )   The next thing you know we'll have a category that even Black Sabbath would fit in !  Oh, there is ? How did that happen.

If you don't see the clear prog influences (and even more than influence, I'd say) on albums like Sabbath Bloody Sabbath or Sabotage, then I don't know what prog influences are.

For The Truth: if you want to review Bob Dylan albums on a prog site, and stress their importance for the development of prog, go to ProgressiveEars - they have at least one Dylan review in their database (I checked again just now), and they are always looking for quality reviews. Here, unfortunately, the general level of maturity of the membership would make such an addition impossible, in spite of the excellent arguments brought forward by some posters. Personally, I've never been a fan of Dylan, but that does not mean I cannot see the point of the suggestion.

I think that Dylan's lyrics certainly had an influence on Prog. But so are many writers' prose & poetry.
Musically , outside of Desolation Row & Sad Eyed Lady of the Lowlands, I can't really see much prog.
But I do appreciate Exitthelemmings' support of Toaster's comment (Dylan's music is stylistically simple but thematically far more complex than even the instrumental complexity of many of our prog idols).

But as with Dire Straits, I can see that he is worthy of consideration, but that maybe the winning arguement for his admission hasn't been made yet. There might not even be one. And that I probably ain't the one to be able to prove one way or another.
Nice to see him being discussed though.
As for Willie Dixon & Elvis ... at the moment there's no real direct link between their music and prog. Yes, many musicians were influenced by them, but that element is not prominent in prog.
Dixon, for instance , could be cited as proto-metal for his many bass lines that were stolen over the years. But although this same bass playing came out in some R & B, it doesn't mean he could be said to be proto-dance ...

Lyrics Wise do not mean they are prog.

The Truth wrote: People stopped posting on this and that upsets me because I think this deserves more thought. Bob Dylan's lyrics are one of the three main things that pretty much created prog, (The other two being Zappa's experimentalism and Sgt. Pepper's concept album,) and Zappa and the Beatles are on here so...

Could you expand on that a bit please?

debrewguy wrote: Raff wrote: Progfan1958 wrote: Dylan is brilliant....but prog ?   No. Unless we're going to add another category and call it "Roots Prog" ( Just Kidding )   The next thing you know we'll have a category that even Black Sabbath would fit in !  Oh, there is ? How did that happen. If you don't see the clear prog influences (and even more than influence, I'd say) on albums like Sabbath Bloody Sabbath or Sabotage, then I don't know what prog influences are. For The Truth: if you want to review Bob Dylan albums on a prog site, and stress their importance for the development of prog, go to ProgressiveEars - they have at least one Dylan review in their database (I checked again just now), and they are always looking for quality reviews. Here, unfortunately, the general level of maturity of the membership would make such an addition impossible, in spite of the excellent arguments brought forward by some posters. Personally, I've never been a fan of Dylan, but that does not mean I cannot see the point of the suggestion. Raff, why is it O.K. to debate some famous acts' merits but not others ? Raff, re : the maturity comment - have heard the line about when you point the finger at someone,  that there are three more pointing back at you ... Raff, the addition of any act is, in the end, based on its' merits. Which is decided upon by several different levels at PA. Raff, excellent arguements are not determined by which side they support.

Very, very nice...

debrewguy wrote: Raff wrote: Progfan1958 wrote: Dylan is brilliant....but prog ?   No. Unless we're going to add another category and call it "Roots Prog" ( Just Kidding )   The next thing you know we'll have a category that even Black Sabbath would fit in !  Oh, there is ? How did that happen. If you don't see the clear prog influences (and even more than influence, I'd say) on albums like Sabbath Bloody Sabbath or Sabotage, then I don't know what prog influences are.For The Truth: if you want to review Bob Dylan albums on a prog site, and stress their importance for the development of prog, go to ProgressiveEars - they have at least one Dylan review in their database (I checked again just now), and they are always looking for quality reviews. Here, unfortunately, the general level of maturity of the membership would make such an addition impossible, in spite of the excellent arguments brought forward by some posters. Personally, I've never been a fan of Dylan, but that does not mean I cannot see the point of the suggestion. Raff, why is it O.K. to debate some famous acts' merits but not others ? Raff, re : the maturity comment - have heard the line about when you point the finger at someone,  that there are three more pointing back at you ...Raff, the addition of any act is, in the end, based on its' merits. Which is decided upon by several different levels at PA. Raff, excellent arguements are not determined by which side they support.

Claude: lighten up a little bit dude.

I don't know if proto-prog... but if The Beatles and Miles Davis are here Dylan should be considered to addition under prog-related