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Points: 6457 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2009 at 14:26
Originally posted by akin akin wrote:

Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

I have to wonder about one thing... There are suggestions in this section that have received ZERO answers, and will soon fall through the cracks. Yet, people continue to beat this (at least apparently) dead horse. Nine pages to discuss a GREAT band (I have been a fan of theirs since the beginning of their career), but one only very, very marginally related to prog (unlike many other bands already included in PR).

I am one of the most open-minded members here, and have never raised a stink over ANY additions - but this one has 'huge can of worms' written all over it.


Well, I myself have already suggested many prog bands and proto-prog undeniable bands, here, on collabs section or even on the teams forums and only once in 6 years my suggestion was taken seriously, all others died with 0 or few replies of uninterested people, even when I provided links for samples of their music just because all of them were not well-known. People was more interested in discussing non-prog acts like The Police, or Metallica, Hendrix, Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden that were forced into the site by insistence. Other additions that I have supported died in the hands of teams, with no decision made, they just died.

Being so, and including the fact that I am one of the oldest collabs in the site, I think I have the right to voice my opinion wherever I want. After all, the same collabs that remind me of the other suggestions were the ones who ignored my suggestions and let them fall through the cracks while they participated in some of the non-prog 'can of worms' discussions.
I've been lucky enough to have my two very obscure suggestions pass through with flying colous fairly quickly. Both completely unknown outside of a small circle of Finnish prog fans, Circusfolk and Discordia that is. Some teams seem to be quicker than others, or then the suggested band don't fall clearly in the hands of a certain team, so it falls in between and gets stuck. Like so far has happened to my latest suggestion Piirpauke, which I hear had been discussed before as well, with much approval but no results. I'm not in a hurry in any way, but I hope they get some final verdict at some point.
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Points: 4900 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2009 at 14:48

I'm late on this, but . . . 

"Yes" from me. Always the liberal when it comes to band inclusions, I happen to think the more the marrier. Wink
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Points: 228 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2009 at 14:56
Exactly.

Besides this is supposed to be the most extensive guide to progressive rock, right? So in my opinion you shouldn't claim that unless you're willing to be extensive, which means including ALL bands that may not be fully prog but prog enough. So no matter how ridiculous that list could get, PA should include them because that's being extensive. You should let the individual person decide for themselves whether those bands are a waste of time or a gem waiting to be discovered, either one of those is what a lot of prog-related bands on PA tend to be.


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Points: 3577 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2009 at 15:07
Well
 
here's an  proposal:
 
Are we going to add?? yes or no?
 
Or we want to be the 34+ second thread about an adition??




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Points: 37575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2009 at 15:24
Originally posted by Alberto Muñoz Alberto Muñoz wrote:

Well
 
here's an  proposal:
 
Are we going to add?? yes or no?
 
Or we want to be the 34+ second thread about an adition??
I've just read through all ten pages of this thread and as far as I can see no SC has supported this proposal or been persuaded by the pro-arguments. So my conclusion from that is they NOT be put forward to the Admins for PR evaluation.
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As far as this discussion goes - I don't see DS in here either.

As far as I can see they will, at best, belong in the same category as UFO: One prog album amongst many non-prog ones - and as far as I can tell, UFO have a stronger case than Dire Straits.
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Points: 3577 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2009 at 17:29
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Alberto Muñoz Alberto Muñoz wrote:

Well
 
here's an  proposal:
 
Are we going to add?? yes or no?
 
Or we want to be the 34+ second thread about an adition??
I've just read through all ten pages of this thread and as far as I can see no SC has supported this proposal or been persuaded by the pro-arguments. So my conclusion from that is they NOT be put forward to the Admins for PR evaluation.
So... can we get the votes of No of every SC and god... close this endless thread....AngryLOLWink
 
Can we discuss the vices and virtues... for example of Jade Warrior???




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Points: 3577 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2009 at 17:33
Originally posted by Windhawk Windhawk wrote:

As far as this discussion goes - I don't see DS in here either.

As far as I can see they will, at best, belong in the same category as UFO: One prog album amongst many non-prog ones - and as far as I can tell, UFO have a stronger case than Dire Straits.
 
What album did you refer?




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I referred to this creation:
http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/ufo/flying__ufo_ii___space_rock/

If they had only released this one they would have been added in here ;-)
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Originally posted by Windhawk Windhawk wrote:

I referred to this creation:
http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/ufo/flying__ufo_ii___space_rock/

If they had only released this one they would have been added in here ;-)
 
Yes... Strong effort that album, i like it a lot BTWWink
 
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Originally posted by Alberto Muñoz Alberto Muñoz wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Alberto Muñoz Alberto Muñoz wrote:

Well
 
here's an  proposal:
 
Are we going to add?? yes or no?
 
Or we want to be the 34+ second thread about an adition??
I've just read through all ten pages of this thread and as far as I can see no SC has supported this proposal or been persuaded by the pro-arguments. So my conclusion from that is they NOT be put forward to the Admins for PR evaluation.
So... can we get the votes of No of every SC and god... close this endless thread....AngryLOLWink
 
Can we discuss the vices and virtues... for example of Jade Warrior???
We don't need the No votes of every SC - that's not how it works.
 
 
 
 
 
You can discuss Jade Warrior to your hearts content - I've already said all I can say about them in your Jade Warrior thread Tongue
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Points: 3577 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2009 at 17:47
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Alberto Muñoz Alberto Muñoz wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Alberto Muñoz Alberto Muñoz wrote:

Well
 
here's an  proposal:
 
Are we going to add?? yes or no?
 
Or we want to be the 34+ second thread about an adition??
I've just read through all ten pages of this thread and as far as I can see no SC has supported this proposal or been persuaded by the pro-arguments. So my conclusion from that is they NOT be put forward to the Admins for PR evaluation.
So... can we get the votes of No of every SC and god... close this endless thread....AngryLOLWink
 
Can we discuss the vices and virtues... for example of Jade Warrior???
We don't need the No votes of every SC - that's not how it works.
 
 
 
 
 
You can discuss Jade Warrior to your hearts content - I've already said all I can say about them in your Jade Warrior thread Tongue
 
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Points: 19557 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2009 at 17:55
Just in case count my strong NO.
 
LOL
 
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^ not in a million years can I decipher the above postsErmm
OK.......................took the time to read properlySmile Interesting Stats.

Edited by Chris S - May 29 2009 at 01:33
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Points: 37575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 29 2009 at 07:21

"Lies, damn lies and statistics" eh?

 
...anyway, as facinating as this is, could we continue this line of discussion in the How Popular was Prog in it's Heyday? thread (ugh, just noticed the error in that tread title) and leave this one for discussion of Dire Straits and their unsuitability for Prog Related.
 
ta. Approve
 
 
 
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I don't see a strong connection between DS and prog. Making a 14 minutes extended song does not necessarily mean it is prog, and it was incidental and marginal to their overall music style. My answer would be NO.
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Points: 24438 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 29 2009 at 07:38
Originally posted by Seyo Seyo wrote:

I don't see a strong connection between DS and prog. Making a 14 minutes extended song does not necessarily mean it is prog, and it was incidental and marginal to their overall music style. My answer would be NO.


In my opinion, this is by far the best summation of the whole questionClap. Unlike other bands we often see mentioned here, DS had no connection to prog even as regards band members (something that both The Police and The Talking Heads had, for instance) or sources of inspiration (something that the much-reviled Iron Maiden have always proudly claimed). As I said on numerous occasions, I would not lose sleep if they were added, but I see them as one of the biggest cans of worms ever - and that has nothing to do with my liking or disliking them.
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Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

Originally posted by Seyo Seyo wrote:

I don't see a strong connection between DS and prog. Making a 14 minutes extended song does not necessarily mean it is prog, and it was incidental and marginal to their overall music style. My answer would be NO.


In my opinion, this is by far the best summation of the whole questionClap. Unlike other bands we often see mentioned here, DS had no connection to prog even as regards band members (something that both The Police and The Talking Heads had, for instance) or sources of inspiration (something that the much-reviled Iron Maiden have always proudly claimed). As I said on numerous occasions, I would not lose sleep if they were added, but I see them as one of the biggest cans of worms ever - and that has nothing to do with my liking or disliking them.

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Originally posted by debrewguy debrewguy wrote:


So, just what do you mean by "unpopular"?
Here´s one:
 




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Points: 3577 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 29 2009 at 11:05
Originally posted by Seyo Seyo wrote:

I don't see a strong connection between DS and prog. Making a 14 minutes extended song does not necessarily mean it is prog, and it was incidental and marginal to their overall music style. My answer would be NO.
 
As an other example see Rare Earth's  Get Ready.LOLWink




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