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Points: 46833 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 17 2008 at 19:52
Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

i like how more jazz-oriented artists and bands are dominating the site. Enough of all the tech-speed-extreme-death-prog metal bands flooding the site.

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hahaha.. you are not the first to tell me that LOL 
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Points: 7910 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 17 2008 at 19:58
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by E-Dub E-Dub wrote:

I'm an absolute Steely Dan fanatic; however, they really don't belong here. If you asked Walter Becker or Donald Fagen I'm sure they'd agree.

I'm not even sure I'd lump them in with fusion. They have a smoother sound like Boz Scaggs with a bit more of an edge.

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so let's see what the man says LOL

Question: Why did Steely Dan move away from their original guitar oriented sound?

Becker: The music that we were writing became more jazz oriented harmonically. This suggested that we feature keyboards more prominently.




Micky,

Where did I say that Steely Dan weren't jazz influenced? When I think if fusion I think of RTF, Weather Report and Metheny.; however, it would take a completely deaf person NOT to know they weren't influenced by jazz.

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Points: 7910 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 17 2008 at 20:01
Originally posted by Greta007 Greta007 wrote:

E-Dub, do you think that Black Sabbath belongs here more than SD? I'm not sure that Walter and Donald would mind one way or another.


As a matter of fact, I don't. Let's not open up that can of worms, however.

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Points: 46833 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 17 2008 at 20:03
you didn't of course Eric.. just having a bit of fun with your previous comment about asking Fagen or Becker.
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Points: 10964 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 18 2008 at 02:49
haha jack bruce for addition!
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Debussy, Stravinsky and Gershwin were jazz-influenced, and so were the Grateful Dead and Spinal Tap... Steely Dan? Meh.
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Points: 7028 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 19 2008 at 06:21

Personally speaking SD belongs here under Jazz Rock......about time and well done all those campaigning for their inclusion! These guys don't just rock they ' own' rock, no matter how " grene cofnudes" we may all aspire to beThumbs%20Up

Wish I could find these threads soonerStern%20Smile
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Points: 46833 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 19 2008 at 06:23
exactly... they best belong under J-R...  and we'll see if that team wants them or not.. if not.. they fit just as well in Xover. Not the BEST fit.. but a damn good one all the same.
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Points: 1881 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2008 at 05:17
Originally posted by Dr. Occulator Dr. Occulator wrote:

There have probably been others who've said this but I believe it is a huge oversight not to have Steely Dan listed the Prog Archives. Their music has all the qualities of great prog: Incredible musicianship, intelligent thought-provoking lyrics, creative arrangements, odd time signatures, music which has broken boundaries and set a bench mark for that type of music.
Come on PA folk. Give the band the credit they deserve. They are truly a PROGRESSIVE band.
They should be signed up!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lets hear some support from other lovers of the Dans great prog music.ConfusedConfusedConfused
I've just seen that Steely Dan have been added to prog archives (sorry if I'm behind the times on this one). They remain one of my very favourite bands, I have seen them twice, and I have all the studio and solo albums - point being I am a fan!
 
But in prog archives??? Blimey folks you here at PA have totally lost the plot. First Zep, then the Beatles (yet amazingly it took ages to get Miles added), now this. Too much mental masturbation going on here in someone's mind......Confused
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Points: 3577 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2008 at 09:42
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Steely Dan has some HUGE fans here, who'd put their talent, albums, lyrical ability ..everything against any prog group...  but no one is pushing to have them included here. 

again... repeat after me...

Great music... even great 'progressive' music...  simply isn't the same as 'mediore' prog music. Not for this site.  


hahahaha Micky, you just add them... well done BTWWink




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Originally posted by zafreth zafreth wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Steely Dan has some HUGE fans here, who'd put their talent, albums, lyrical ability ..everything against any prog group...  but no one is pushing to have them included here. 

again... repeat after me...

Great music... even great 'progressive' music...  simply isn't the same as 'mediore' prog music. Not for this site.  


hahahaha Micky, you just add them... well done BTWWink


not going to put a particular member in the hot seat... but a particularly well-respected member here is the reason they were added.  Wink  My name is on the addition... but in a way... it wasn't of my doing.  I never would have pushed it myself since I am known as such a huge fan.. that drops the trousers and puts my cute little ass out there to be spanked hard hahahha.  I was convinced... not that they belong here.. because I have always thought so... but convinced to go ahead with the addition.
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Points: 8238 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2008 at 10:52
I, for one, am very glad they're here.  I'm a long time fan and now I'll have something to do at night while the yadda, yadda, yadda BS of the political conventions is going on!  As for SD, talk about musicians who thought outside of the box!  No one, I mean NO ONE ever sounded like them and I'm glad that the younger generations will now be exposed to something other than "Hey 19."
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Points: 628 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2008 at 13:37
Short & sweet.
Well done PA administrators getting Steely Dan included in the Crossover Prog category.
Although definitely not straightforward prog they have all the qualities which I enjoy when listening to great prog. Totally unique as one reviewer says they worked 'outside the box' with radical thinking in creating their one of a kind music that IMO makes the musical world a far better place to inhabit.
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Points: 1170 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2008 at 14:19
YES!!!!!!!!

Now we need Glenn Miller, Jamiroquai, Jaga Jazzist, and The Brian Setzer Orchestra!
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Points: 1698 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2008 at 16:58
Well I was pleasantly surprised to see Steely Dan on the front page of PA when I came here. Sure, they're not prog, but It will certainly be cool to see people who enjoy prog music's opinions on their records, so I'm not just stuck with my dad's greatest hits collection to listen to.

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Points: 4900 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2008 at 17:20
topofsm, I adore your signature.
 
 
So, Steely Dan is finally here, I see. I've already reviewed Aja and am heading off now to review Gaucho.
 
I am very glad that they are now here, but it's pretty ridiculous that they aren't in Jazz-Rock, but ho well, they are here, and that's all that really matters.
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Points: 216 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2008 at 17:37
Originally posted by Avantgardehead Avantgardehead wrote:

YES!!!!!!!!

Now we need Glenn Miller, Jamiroquai, Jaga Jazzist, and The Brian Setzer Orchestra!


Jaga has been here for a while already, haven't they?
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Points: 45 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 25 2008 at 05:01
Oh goody, justice is done.

As I said before, if Black Sabbath is included then leaving out the Steelies makes no sense Thumbs%20Up

There's plenty of fringe-prog artists and SD is one of the more original and talented ones.
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