Steely Dan

Ghost Rider wrote: Dick Heath wrote: I've played Steely Dan and Donald Fagen (especially Nightfly) as part of many jazz rock playlists on my radioshow for quarter of a decade without hesitation, simply  because they fit in with their special form of jazz fused with rock - ditto Joni Mitchell's mid/late 70's recordings. Most know my feeling wrt jazz rock and prog rock - especially as a member of the old guard who have always seen/heard prog as a fusion of rock with one or more other musical genre. Increasingly I feel, it's these johnnie come latelies who haven't been there from the start of progressive music, so not exposed firsthand to the genre before it got narrowed to the sort of music the main 5 bands produced 1971 - 1976. Certainly Steely Dan's music is miles away from Yes or Genesis, but it aint't miles away from the jazz rock fusion of MO, WR, Tasavallan Presidentti, BST, early Chicago etc. etc.   However, whilst part of the site is ultra-liberal to who is let in, we get into these anus-staring debates over the likes of Dan, who's output includes music  more worthy of being here than Queen etc. etc.  A final nag, if as was suggested by many 4 or 5 years ago, we had a section  that had elected, selected albums from a band's discography which had genuine prog elements - rather than the whole shebang - then we would be better off, and maybe avoid debates about Dan, Styx etc.   I'm not an expert on SD, though I have heard most of their albums, and like them a lot. However, I wish someone listened to the above wise words by Dick, who knows more about music than most of us, instead of ignoring him as it all too often happens.   This doesn't mean I support SD's inclusion, or that I don't understand some people's reservations. Having been part of the Admin Team, I know that every controversial addition means spending a couple of weeks reprimanding people and closing threads, and no one wants to do that.

Dick was dead on as usual...  and Raff you have a more direct way of putting things than I do.  I don't necessarily support their inclusion... but you better believe I understand why this group is called for again ...and again... and again for inclusion here.  I see the reasons for not including them.. and the reasons for including them  in a full prog sub. My concern. which I've been talking to Bob about ..are  the team concept.  My objectivity about SD can be, hell probably is ,  questioned since I'm a big fan... but are you going to question Richard's as well?  That man KNOWS jazz-rock.   If Jazz Rock is a sub-genre here.. that team should at least be able to decide whether it fits the site.  This never has been about Xover.. Dean and I have never even discussed the possiblity of adding them. Our debates are open to all collabs.

anyhow.... think this subject has been talked to death... in public at least.

unclemeat69 wrote: If Steely Dan would be on this site, Donald Fagen (solo) would have a good chance here as well

oh yeah.... he would..

Steey Dan is at least prog related now. I used to think otherwise but Zep's inclusion changed things dramatically.

MrBertstown wrote: schizoid_man77 wrote: I wish I had Aja or pretzel logic.   I have Gaucho and some greatest hits album, but they are a bit too poppy, with minimal jazz jam session time as what seem to be on the above two. Great band though, just need a bit more.   My mom is a die-hard Steely Dan fan and In one book called Music Hound, Steely Dan was in the Art-Rock section. (Not making this up!)   Here's the songs that could give them the elegibility....   1-Do It Again 2-Fire in the Hole 3-Turn that Heartbeat over again 4-Bohittsava 5-The Boston Rag 6-King of the World 7-Your Gold Teeth (Part II) 8-Throw Back the Little Ones 9-Green Earings 10-Peg   Other than that...I consider them a Jazz-Rock Band like Chicago or Blood, Sweat, and Tears.

well put...

again....I refer people to Dick Heath's excellent post above.