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Manunkind ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: February 02 2005 Location: Poland Status: Offline Points: 2373 |
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+1 Although I like to learn other people's opinions on music and art in general, especially the opinions of artists themselves. They rarely influence my enjoyment, but they provide different perspectives, something I'm interested in. |
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"In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun
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matti meikäläin ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 10 2005 Status: Offline Points: 220 |
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pretty weird that metallica's lead guitarist said that
omar is one of he's favourite players today and they have jammed
together couple of times
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The Ryan ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 16 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 559 |
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Luckily I never said my opinion, as I have not yet made up my opinion. Professional/amateur musician's opinions will not set my mind one way or the other. |
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Manunkind ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: February 02 2005 Location: Poland Status: Offline Points: 2373 |
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Steve Vai is said to love Omar's playing. But then again, its seems differences in opinion are just as common among professional musicians/theoreticians of music, as they are among 'regular' listeners. Even when it comes to supposedly objective criteria like 'technique', for instance.
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"In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun
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NecroManiac ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: November 29 2005 Status: Offline Points: 224 |
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It's strange. I too have asked guitarists (ranging from amateurs to
professional) and while some of them do not necessarily like TMV, they
all agree that he's a formidable guitarist.
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![]() What's yer faovrite album? =^_^= |
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Manunkind ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: February 02 2005 Location: Poland Status: Offline Points: 2373 |
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See, this seems to be the problem - do you have to feel safe with a musician to consider his/her playing good? What I mean is, take John Petrucci - he's got his bag of combat-tested tricks and licks and you nearly always know where you stand with him. I love his playing, but this bag of his is quite limited, no doubt about it. Now take Allan Holdsworth - many people don't get his music, it sounds unpredictable, but I'm pretty certain he has his own assortment of tricks, much wider than Petrucci's, and he can make use of those tricks in a much more creative way - hence the 'unpredictability'. I'm not implying that Omar is up there with Holdsworth, but I'm sure he's searching and trying to expand his arsenal. He isn't always finding, of course, but in the context of TMV's music, which seems to revolve around the concept of disintegration, even his mistakes and exaggerations sort of make sense, IMO. |
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matti meikäläin ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 10 2005 Status: Offline Points: 220 |
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i love he's guitar style, he has own style to play it.
especially live hes notes sometimes go little bit wrong and sometimes
too much jamming but all that matters to me are the albums de loused
and frances and they are really great !!
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Figglesnout ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: November 26 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1455 |
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omar is his own person, musically...i adore his songwriting skills and if you are a fan of TMV/ATDI or his solo stuff at all you'll find yoiurself amazed too or it would seem due to common sense. I think some people might be uncomfortable with him due to him being a little out there musically and personally...but i love him and his experimental style. He is a genious in my opinion, albeit sometimes a flawed genius, but all geniuses have flaws. *PS about the all-minor key written flavors...he's moves to major keys a lot in ATDI and he throws in major chords all around de-loused and the mute. But i will say, due to the very nature of the music, I couldn't really picture TMV playing songs in major keys. Imagine TMV playing Gentle Giant...just doesn't work. I think TMV calls for minor/pentatonic keys, so that is what is used. I personally enjoy the darker sound... |
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I'm a reasonable man, get off my case
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Rashikal ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: December 07 2005 Status: Offline Points: 546 |
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=/ i wasnt using that to make him sound cool.
![]() anyway, he confuses people, so i give him thumbs up on that |
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70sSoundquality ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 18 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 137 |
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Wow, he's so neat! |
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Tholomyes ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 16 2005 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 338 |
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Ironic. I heard rumours about he is bisexual.
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70sSoundquality ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 18 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 137 |
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Im just on a negative trail today. I will be as neat and clean about this as possible. The reason why Omar's guitar playing bothers me is because he doesn't have technique. As mainly a guitar player and a keyboard player, I know what it means to be able to solo well and to ALWAYS have licks up my sleeve, licks that ABSOLUTELY fit, and to be able to have these licks at any given time- no matter what set of notes a bassist throws to me. I do not feel safe with omar, I do not feel that he could keep up with disciplined musicians so I agree with the "nothing special" opinion. |
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Rashikal ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: December 07 2005 Status: Offline Points: 546 |
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![]() listen to Hella |
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Moatilliatta ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: December 01 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3083 |
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Omar is a brilliant musician, and is definitely a fine guitarist. His stuff can be a bit bizarre, but I find it a good feat. in his case. He is a mad man with effects too.
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Rashikal ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: December 07 2005 Status: Offline Points: 546 |
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probably because most teenage guitarist worship satch and the shredders. most guitarists in my school say fripp and hendrix are drap because they dont sound like generic shredders. i like omar's work. |
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Rashikal ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: December 07 2005 Status: Offline Points: 546 |
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same.
people get mad about the rest of the band playing second fiddle to omar and cedric. but omar writes all the songs, for every insstrument ![]() |
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Yanns ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: April 25 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 999 |
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Personally, I love the band, and think that both Omar and Cedric are geniuses.
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FRIPP HOW? ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: December 22 2005 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 39 |
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omar is definately a original player!
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"Mention this to me.
mention something, anything.. and watch the weather change." |
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The Ryan ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 16 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 559 |
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Everytime I ask a local guitarist what they think of the Mars Volta's guitarwork they tend to say it's nothing special or it's disappointing. I wonder what this means in terms of the Mars Volta growing more of a fanbase (perhaps of actual musicians, not kids who listen to MTV), and also I'd like to hear someone try to recreate what Omar does - Never heard anyone.
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Winter Wine ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 12 2005 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 1140 |
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They both pretty much rock
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My computer's broke
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