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Points: 7559 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 27 2007 at 03:47
Most of those books that I've seen tend to be inaccurate.
 
 
 
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

I don't have many transcription books either ... I simply collect guitar magazines which usually contain transcriptions of a couple of songs from various genres, and these books:

Metallica - Ride the Lightning
Metallica - Master of Puppets
Steve Vai - Alien Love Secrets
Van Halen - 5150
Dream Theater - Images & Words

Maybe you don't need such books if you have perfect pitch ... but even then it's nice to see the riffs "spelled out" for you.
 
...and you're missing "AJFA"... Wink


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Points: 21149 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 27 2007 at 04:12
^ my guitar teacher supplied me with transcriptions of other vital Metallica songs:

Jump in the Fire (thanks Dave Mustaine!)
Seek & Destroy
Am I Evil (ok, it's Diamond Head)
Blitzkrieg
Harvester of Sorrow
One
Eye of the Beholder
Sad But True
Nothing Else Matters
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And I could play all of them ... with the exception of most solos which I frankly was too lazy to practice!Big%20smile 


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LOLDon't forget AC/DC!
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Points: 21149 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 27 2007 at 13:26
^ what about them?Wink
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Points: 19 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 27 2007 at 13:29
Sleepyi would say they also helped prog metal progress....as they had their own sound....
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Points: 21149 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 27 2007 at 13:31
^sorry, haven't heard any big prog metal band name AC/DC as one of their influences ... although I'm sure that many prog metal band members listen to AC/DC occasionally.Wink
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Points: 19 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 27 2007 at 13:36
Clapim not going to waste my time bickering about this for i notice there is always another perspective......i see what your saying is true......but if there wasnt an ac/dc i think metal wouldnt be the same.......respond if you must

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There is a great AC/DC song called "Beating around the bush"%3cimg 
I think itīs time to stop beating around the bush and make a poll, Those for Metallica going in Prog Related and those for Prog Metal.
 
I say Prog Related.


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My friend played me some songs. Not as heavy as I expected, it sounded like classic rock to me. Black Sabbath are 1000000 times better.
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Points: 19 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 27 2007 at 13:53
Smileblack sabbath is good too......everything is good in its own way
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Points: 21149 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 27 2007 at 13:53
^ Metallica songs? Which ones, if I may ask?
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Points: 21149 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 27 2007 at 13:55
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Most of those books that I've seen tend to be inaccurate.


That's true ... they contain glitches and errors. But I don't mind, they're rare and without the book/transcription it would take much, much longer to learn the song.


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Originally posted by WaywardSon WaywardSon wrote:

There is a great AC/DC song called "Beating around the bush"%3cimg 
I think itīs time to stop beating around the bush and make a poll, Those for Metallica going in Prog Related and those for Prog Metal.
 
I say Prog Related.


great song Thumbs%20Up

I say... Prog Metal...  PR is not a good fit for them...

Have a drink on me 

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Points: 7559 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2007 at 08:50
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by WaywardSon WaywardSon wrote:

There is a great AC/DC song called "Beating around the bush"%3cimg 
I think itīs time to stop beating around the bush and make a poll, Those for Metallica going in Prog Related and those for Prog Metal.
 
I say Prog Related.


great song Thumbs%20Up

I say... Prog Metal...  PR is not a good fit for them...

Have a drink on me 

LOLWink
 
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Originally posted by The Wizard The Wizard wrote:

My friend played me some songs. Not as heavy as I expected, it sounded like classic rock to me. Black Sabbath are 1000000 times better.


well, it depends on the era. Early METALLICA (83-88) is quite metalish, influental and proggy. I'd say Prog-Related, and only because of this era.
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Points: 4202 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 29 2007 at 04:33
So now we're just discussing where to include them?

Just like Megadeth, Black Sabbath and Judas Priest, Metallica's already acknowledged in the History of Progressive Metal text. I'm all for Andu's suggestion. There's a lot of info here that could make that text better. Undoubtly most people think of Metallica as a band mainly belonging in a non-prog genre, but still related and very influential to Prog-Metal. Very much in  the same way Black Sabbath is historically important to PM, and desereves a mention.  
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Points: 65249 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 29 2007 at 04:37
Originally posted by Prog-jester Prog-jester wrote:

Originally posted by The Wizard The Wizard wrote:

My friend played me some songs. Not as heavy as I expected, it sounded like classic rock to me. Black Sabbath are 1000000 times better.


well, it depends on the era. Early METALLICA (83-88) is quite metalish, influental and proggy. I'd say Prog-Related, and only because of this era.


I think the Wizard is saying Sabbath kick the living sh*t out of Metallica on almost every level... but I could be wrong







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Points: 7559 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 29 2007 at 07:37
^If we were discussing "Load", "ReLoad" and "St. Upid" (which are about as prog as "Love Beach", "Big Generator", "Under Raps", "We Can't Dance" or "Technical Travesty"), then the Wizard would be making an accurate statement.
 
Anything prior to those aforementioned disasters, and I would suggest that it is Metallica who do the kicking... Wink
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Points: 3596 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 29 2007 at 12:47
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

^If we were discussing "Load", "ReLoad" and "St. Upid" (which are about as prog as "Love Beach", "Big Generator", "Under Raps", "We Can't Dance" or "Technical Travesty"), then the Wizard would be making an accurate statement.
 
Anything prior to those aforementioned disasters, and I would suggest that it is Metallica who do the kicking... Wink

Yes, Sabbath are a legend with Ozzy as the Icon. Metallica, though, are the ones that stand as the standard in inventive heavy metal. Sales wise, success wise, & influence wise that have surpassed all but Led Zep in the heavy duty sweepstakes. And if "progginess" were the determining factor, well ... Sabbath were not exactly prog monsters. Whereas a listen to Master of Puppets & And Justice for All clearly exhibit many prog qualities - time / tempo changes, multi part suites (although not the 20 minute version), and "deep" lyrics. Apart from some dissonant chord changes & the occasional "jazzy" interludes, not much of Sabbath come close to prog.
Now for those who think this biased, I am more of a fan of Black Sabbath than Metallica.
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Points: 15585 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 31 2007 at 14:25

The Admin team considered the addition of Metallca very carefully. In the end, we could not come to a decision we could all agree on, so the matter was referred to M@x for the final say. He has come back with a very definite no. Metallica will not therefore be added.

No matter what the decision was, it was always going to be controversial. I'm sure those who were for them being added will respect the final decision, even though they disagree with it.
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