Why is Novalis listed as "Symphonic Prog"?

Why is Novalis listed as "Symphonic Prog"? If the site is going to follow very specific sub-genres for progressive rock music, should it not be as accurate as possible?

Novalis is a german band, and it has established a sound for itself in a very similar manner that is inherent in many of the other Krautrock bands that came from Germany.

Just thought

It's not that simple enough to just say they don't "sound" like Krautrock. The genre itself doesn't even have a sound. It's mostly experimental, meaning that one band will sound different than another. But at the same time, it strays from the more known bands of the progressive genre such as Genesis or Yes that have the classical influence.

Many people who know Novalis would consider them to be Krautrock because their music happened in the same period when other experimental groups from Germany were developing the culture.

The Progarchives Symphonic Team should get together and discuss this matter.

harmonium.ro wrote: dubovsky wrote: It's not that simple enough to just say they don't "sound" like Krautrock. The genre itself doesn't even have a sound. It's mostly experimental, meaning that one band will sound different than another. I disagree; many kraut bands don't sound like each other just as much as some symph bands don't sound like each other, or some avant-prog bands don't sound like each other, but they are still symph or avant-prog bands. If we made separate categories to cater for each small bunch of bands that sound the same, and excluding the others, we'd have hundreds and hundreds of categories. Also, being German doesn't make a band krautrock, I think more than half of the German bands on PA are in non-kraut categories.

I don't get what you disagreed with. You've restated what I said: "one band will sound different than another". I'm not suggesting to create separate categories, and then sub-categories for those categories, but just that I don't understand why a group of people labeled them as "Symphonic prog". What's the basis?

Being German doesn't make a band Krautrock, and I did not make any generalization that they are. Majority of the bands from Germany though, are Krautrock. To Germans who were part of the music scene in the 60s and 70s, I think most of the bands that they listened to at that time are considered Krautrock. And I'm not saying that only Krautrock existed at the time. But if you're discussing prog and Germany, with the exception of Eloy and maybe three others, it's Krautrock

[QUOTE=harmonium.ro]Being German is the only actual reason you gave in the opening post. [QUOTE=harmonium.ro]

That's not true. That is not the "only actual reason gave in the opening post". I said that they are from Germany, as many other Krautrock bands are, and that they "established a sound for itself in a very similar manner that is inherent in many of the other Krautrock bands that came from Germany"

Ok

You've almost got those four stars Triceratopsoil. I think a few more posts and you'll get it!

^ Bit harsh.

harmonium.ro wrote: [QUOTE=dubovsky] ... I disagree; many kraut bands don't sound like each other just as much as some symph bands don't sound like each other, or some avant-prog bands don't sound like each other, but they are still symph or avant-prog bands. If we made separate categories to cater for each small bunch of bands that sound the same, and excluding the others, we'd have hundreds and hundreds of categories. Also, being German doesn't make a band krautrock, I think more than half of the German bands on PA are in non-kraut categories.

Triceratopsoil wrote: Eloy only has one album you could call symphonic, they're much spacier and also not krautrock, and no, many progressive genres aren't remotely symphonic.  Prog folk and jr/f, for example

I beg to differ.  Most Eloy albums are quite symphonic; only the earliest fall among Krautock or space rock (a lot of Krautrock was space rock).
As to Novalis: "Symphonic fits them quite well, I think.


Edited by BaldFriede - April 18 2011 at 16:35

Tony R wrote: Snow Dog wrote: ^ Bit harsh. I can be much harsher.