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Points: 4255 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2016 at 17:58
Originally posted by 2dogs 2dogs wrote:

I haven't heard the remixes, are they much different?

Yes, they're different.

Legend from ESD Label is the Remixed Version (1991) while ReR HC1 is the Original Mix (1999).
In this case, the Remixed Version is superior in quality than the Original Mix. For Unrest and In Praise of Learning, many details are much clearer in the Original Mix to my ears.

The problem on every ESD release is the volume, which was mixed ridiculously low for HC. LOL
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Wow, I've been gone for not even the whole day and so many new replies in our collective Smile

Originally posted by Flight123 Flight123 wrote:


The Wikipedia article says that when Hodgkinson and Frith were performing as a duo, they played "a variety of musical styles, including "dada blues" and "neo-Hiroshima"." I wonder what that was! Big smile


The Calyx chronology notes Henry Cow as a 5-piece in 1968; it also shows the first Peel session as being on the 4 May 1971. 
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On soulseek, there are BBC recordings of Henry Cow from before Legend. I downloaded them and they sound legit. The little text  file that is left reads:
"the date is inaccurate-(2:29)  the first 3 songs come from this session:(2:29)  London, BBC Studios [John Peel show] - "Teen Beat", "Rapt In A Blanket", "I Came To See You" performed (broadcast Mar 14) [guests: Geoff Leigh & Dave Stewart](2:29) 28 february 72 (2:29)  before legend :) (2:30)  october [17] London, BBC Studios
[John Peel show] - "With The Yellow Half Moon & Blue Star", "With The Yellow Half Moon & Blue Star Part 2"
performed (broadcast Nov 14) [guest: DJ Perry] (2:31)  and not sure, but i think the last tracks- (2:32)  1972 april  [24] London, BBC Langham Studios [John Peel show] - "Nirvana For Mice",  "Guider Tells of Silent Airborne Machine", "Nine Funerals of the Citizen King", "Bee" performed (broadcast May 8)".

I would like to congratulate you if you can make a basic sense of that. However, the recordings sound like they were recorded long before Legend. I think these might be recordings from that era.


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But there's a thing - the lengthy, complex instrumental dimension of Henry Cow effectively ended with Western Culture; RIO bands like UZ seemed to take over where the Cow left off...
Some of these elements remained in the later work of Cooper and Hodgkinson, but apart from improv. Art Bears, etc. mainly experimented with the shorter, song format.
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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

anyone who likes Henry Cow should also like the Art Bears and the album "Kew Rhone" by Peter Blegvad and John Greaves
Quite the fact, beautiful Jean !! All these pages in, we respondents are totally in love with the Cow and related specialties. You love VDGG & Hammill, you love Henry Cow.........then I love you !!   
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The Wikipedia article says that when Hodgkinson and Frith were performing as a duo, they played "a variety of musical styles, including "dada blues" and "neo-Hiroshima"." I wonder what that was! Big smile
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The Calyx chronology notes Henry Cow as a 5-piece in 1968; it also shows the first Peel session as being on the 4 May 1971. 
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anyone who likes Henry Cow should also like the Art Bears and the album "Kew Rhone" by Peter Blegvad and John Greaves


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Originally posted by 2dogs 2dogs wrote:

I haven't heard the remixes, are they much different? I've gone back to the beginning at the moment and am listening to the 1972/73 Leg End era. The songs of the "unmarked 1971-73" tapes on the box set correspond suspiciously exactly to those of the BBC John Peel sessions and I guess anyone recording one of those sessions would want to keep a tape, similarly for the pre Leg End demos, which would leave nothing actually coming from 1971.


I also doubt anything came out of 1971 - Cutler only joined the band then and it was only around that point it became a full-time concern.  It would be intriguing, say, to hear what their Glastonbury performance was like - but obviously nothing usable exists.
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Originally posted by ALotOfBottle ALotOfBottle wrote:

Because of Tim's manipulation of organ, I was tricked into thinking that he used a synth. Especially at the beggining of "Amygdala". And because of that, I could never hear that organ everybody was talking about, thinking I would hear a Hammond or Lowrey. It took me watching a live performance to understand.

Re: Amygdala - during the intro the organ chords are noticeable as 'organ'. His lead sound is so affected one could mistake it for a synth. I thought it was Frith, but it's clearly NOT guitar (after many listens, I was soooo focussed on that intoxicating sound....). I love the fuzzy organ sounds - Dave Stewart is the MASTER. But it appears in a lot of Canterbury stuff. Even Steve Winwood did a tremendous fuzz-organ thing in Low Spark Of High Heeled Boys, the 11 min. title song of the namesake album. And a fine job he did. I wish it was heard more these days.............
Even on Magma's Kohntarkosz epic, Gerard Bikialo has a very lengthy fuzz Yamaha organ solo on side 2. Just an amazing, otherworldly sound, as long as skill is applied to it.
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I haven't heard the remixes, are they much different? I've gone back to the beginning at the moment and am listening to the 1972/73 Leg End era. The songs of the "unmarked 1971-73" tapes on the box set correspond suspiciously exactly to those of the BBC John Peel sessions and I guess anyone recording one of those sessions would want to keep a tape, similarly for the pre Leg End demos, which would leave nothing actually coming from 1971.
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A question for every Cow lover, which mix do you prefer of Legend, Unrest and In Praise of Learning? Original mix, Remix or both?
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Because of Tim's manipulation of organ, I was tricked into thinking that he used a synth. Especially at the beggining of "Amygdala". And because of that, I could never hear that organ everybody was talking about, thinking I would hear a Hammond or Lowrey. It took me watching a live performance to understand.


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^ That's it
Hodgkinson does some weird sh*t to his organ on Industry. Kind of when two high-piched voices not quite in tune with each other get this strange, unstable harmonic or something....?? Just incredible. Looks like it's gonna be Western Culture. Flawless, start to finish.
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Of course, take little breaks, so you can enjoy the sock even more when you come back! Smile
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Originally posted by ALotOfBottle ALotOfBottle wrote:

Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Good luck with the Camembert. Such a magical album.
I'm all Cow'ed out at the moment. Might do Winter Songs..........

One does not simply get Cow'ed out... LOL
Yeah, well, looks like that blue and red sock is beckoning me once again. It's only been a couple of days and I've got lots of tinkles from Amygdala going through my head. Or the epic complexity of Western Culture, with that squealing organ opening proceedings. Dang, not Cow'ed out just yet............
My arms need not be twisted...   
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Originally posted by Flight123 Flight123 wrote:

I am pretty sure that when the Box Set was compiled, Chris Cutler left no stone unturned!  If any material existed, I am sure it would have been rejected on poor sound quality of the sort that even Bob Drake couldn't weave his magic on.  The only other pre Leg End material I know of is the May 1973 John Peel session. 

The Wikipedia article says that when Hodgkinson and Frith were performing as a duo, they played "a variety of musical styles, including "dada blues" and "neo-Hiroshima"." I wonder what that was! Big smile
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I am pretty sure that when the Box Set was compiled, Chris Cutler left no stone unturned!  If any material existed, I am sure it would have been rejected on poor sound quality of the sort that even Bob Drake couldn't weave his magic on.  The only other pre Leg End material I know of is the May 1973 John Peel session. 
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First of all, you will need the much-celebrated Henry Cow 40th Anniversary Box Set, Tom ;)
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^ Yes, my friend - Manna/Mirage is something I've been chasing on vinyl for a long time. May have to bite-the-bullet, as we say, and get the CD of it. I'm already convinced I will fall for it !!!
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Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Good luck with the Camembert. Such a magical album.
I'm all Cow'ed out at the moment. Might do Winter Songs..........

One does not simply get Cow'ed out... LOL
Tom, my friend, please try The Muffins. They have got a great vibe with avant-garde Cow flavors going on in the background! I guarantee you will like them! Especially their debut.
I think I'll listen to some Winter Songs one of these days, too.
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Good luck with the Camembert. Such a magical album.
I'm all Cow'ed out at the moment. Might do Winter Songs..........
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