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Poll Question: Which of these drummers do you prefer?
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Let's see how this one goes.
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Tony for me.  Who are you going to be putting up against Greg Lake next? LOL
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Carl Palmer de manera indiscutible!!!
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De manera indiscutible????
 
How it seems that sometimes people don't know who was Tony Williams...




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I like Tony Williams. I have several albums of him. It's great ... but Carl is Carl friend ... no more!
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Originally posted by SaltyJon SaltyJon wrote:

Tony for me.  Who are you going to be putting up against Greg Lake next? LOL
 
Lets go with Jannick Top.LOL
Yeah Tony for sure.
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^ Much as I love Top (and Paganotti), I won't.

Originally posted by SaltyJon SaltyJon wrote:

Tony for me.  Who are you going to be putting up against Greg Lake next? LOL


You figured out my cunning plan! LOL I'd really like to put Charles Mingus up against Greg Lake (two very different kinds of bassists), but I don't think I will. Dave Holland for his double-bass work might be cool too.  Definitely not Jaco Pastorius, though at least he'd have a chance, and Miroslav Vitous would be a nice choice.  I lean towards doing Buster Williams or Ron Carter (they formed a two-bass group at one time).


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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

^ Much as I love Top (and Paganotti), I won't.

Originally posted by SaltyJon SaltyJon wrote:

Tony for me.  Who are you going to be putting up against Greg Lake next? LOL


You figured out my cunning plan! LOL I'd really like to put Charles Mingus up against Greg Lake (two very different kinds of bassists), but I don't think I will. Dave Holland for his double-bass work might be cool too.  Definitely not Jaco Pastorius, though at least he'd have a chance, and Miroslav Vitous would be a nice choice.  I lean towards doing Buster Williams or Ron Carter (they formed a two-bass group at one time).
 
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Originally posted by clotomic clotomic wrote:

I like Tony Williams. I have several albums of him. It's great ... but Carl is Carl friend ... no more!
 
How many albums do you have from Tony??
 
I'm eager to know




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Master Tony.....
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

^ Much as I love Top (and Paganotti), I won't.

Originally posted by SaltyJon SaltyJon wrote:

Tony for me.  Who are you going to be putting up against Greg Lake next? LOL


You figured out my cunning plan! LOL I'd really like to put Charles Mingus up against Greg Lake (two very different kinds of bassists), but I don't think I will. Dave Holland for his double-bass work might be cool too.  Definitely not Jaco Pastorius, though at least he'd have a chance, and Miroslav Vitous would be a nice choice.  I lean towards doing Buster Williams or Ron Carter (they formed a two-bass group at one time).


I was thinking of answering Jon's question with Miroslav Vitous before I read your post LOL He would be a good third element of this grand scheme because just like Herbie and Tony he was a jazz musician involved in important, seminal Fusion projects. But he's not as famous and widely known like the other two.

I have yet to hear any music featuring Tony Williams, so I won't vote. What would a Hancock-Vitous-Williams trio would have sounded like?
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Hey Unhappy.....no fair! This was a very difficult one....Tony is amazing performer and left a true mark on jazz drumming.....I just had to pick Carl though, I think he is so under appreciated but this poll brings much awareness to Carl's musicianship.

Nice one....FINALLY! Clap
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Really interesting pit here.
Carl is classically trained and could play orchestral percussion. Tony studied piano and composition and the last 7 albums of his career were absolutely tremendous. Not only from a drumming standpoint, but from a composition standpoint of the music as well.
Carl Palmer was a rudimental fanatic and that precison showed in his playing.
Tony was also a rudimental master and showcased these building blocks with unbelievable skill. His dynamics with the rudiments was staggerring. Flams,  effortless singles and doubles, and double and triple paradiddles that he worked into time patterns between all four limbs.
He was also an innovator on the hi hat in time as well. No one before Tony was clamoring straight eights in Jazz before him.
Tony was young, impressionistic, brash and freakin' loud! And that's why he was Miles Davis drummer at the age of 17. He blew doors down. He played really  big drums after his first Lifetime career with John McLaughlin and Jack Bruce. He first introduced my ears to Allan Holdsworth back in 1976. And he was the only drummer I ever heard compliment Cecil Taylor's wild antics on the piano to a fevered frenzy of complexity. Check out Eris on Joy Of Flying.  
 
Carl was an early hero of mine and was admired by many, many musicians across all genres.  Buddy Rich even stated that he thought Carl Palmer was a special drummer admiring him for his speed, comping ability and taste.
 
But Carl just wasn't Tony Williams. In fact no one ever was or ever will be. He was One Of A Kind.
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:



^ Much as I love Top (and Paganotti), I won't.
Originally posted by SaltyJon SaltyJon wrote:

Tony for me.  Who are you going to be putting up against Greg Lake next? LOL
You figured out my cunning plan! LOL I'd really like to put Charles Mingus up against Greg Lake (two very different kinds of bassists), but I don't think I will. Dave Holland for his double-bass work might be cool too.  Definitely not Jaco Pastorius, though at least he'd have a chance, and Miroslav Vitous would be a nice choice.  I lean towards doing Buster Williams or Ron Carter (they formed a two-bass group at one time).


But then you would have to do 2 polls for Lake, one for the bass and another one for the vocals.
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is Tony Williams the one who played with Miles Davis?
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Originally posted by HTCF HTCF wrote:

is Tony Williams the one who played with Miles Davis?

Yup
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Oh him without a doubt then
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I go to Tony Williams as a result.

Especially, it is felt that the album of Lifetime is good.

Or, competing with Jan Hammer was a good performance.

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Originally posted by deafmoon deafmoon wrote:

Really interesting pit here.
Carl is classically trained and could play orchestral percussion. Tony studied piano and composition and the last 7 albums of his career were absolutely tremendous. Not only from a drumming standpoint, but from a composition standpoint of the music as well.
Carl Palmer was a rudimental fanatic and that precison showed in his playing.
Tony was also a rudimental master and showcased these building blocks with unbelievable skill. His dynamics with the rudiments was staggerring. Flams,  effortless singles and doubles, and double and triple paradiddles that he worked into time patterns between all four limbs.
He was also an innovator on the hi hat in time as well. No one before Tony was clamoring straight eights in Jazz before him.
Tony was young, impressionistic, brash and freakin' loud! And that's why he was Miles Davis drummer at the age of 17. He blew doors down. He played really  big drums after his first Lifetime career with John McLaughlin and Jack Bruce. He first introduced my ears to Allan Holdsworth back in 1976. And he was the only drummer I ever heard compliment Cecil Taylor's wild antics on the piano to a fevered frenzy of complexity. Check out Eris on Joy Of Flying.  
 
Carl was an early hero of mine and was admired by many, many musicians across all genres.  Buddy Rich even stated that he thought Carl Palmer was a special drummer admiring him for his speed, comping ability and taste.
 
But Carl just wasn't Tony Williams. In fact no one ever was or ever will be. He was One Of A Kind.
I couldn't have put it better myself, so I won't. Tony Williams.
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