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William D. Drake and Robert Wyatt - Sea Horse Song |
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 37993 |
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A very simple poll with only two "Sea" tracks that I like very much from two artists in PA that I like very much. If voting for either track, I do ask that one has listened to, or at least checked out in part, both.
Here are the two tracks for those that don't know both or may wish to revisit William D. Drake - "Sea Horse" Robert Wyatt - "Sea Song" |
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Wyatt
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The truth is I can't chuth, but I avoid sitting on the fence in polls like the plague and Drake will need every vote he can get.
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Rick1 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 14 2020 Location: Loughborough UK Status: Offline Points: 3034 |
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Two great tracks but why put them to a poll?
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Saperlipopette! ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 20 2010 Location: Tomorrowland Status: Offline Points: 12688 |
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I had nver heard or heard about William D. Drake og his Sea Horse-song. Now I have and I liked it a lot. But Sea Song is the song that opens my favorite album.
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Mormegil ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 03 2010 Location: NE PA Status: Offline Points: 7839 |
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Drake gets the nod.
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 37993 |
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A just waking up post. I always appreciate when someone asks me a question, and another comes in with their thoughts in such a way. Exposure is a big reason for me, and with limiting it to two, it does make it easy for people to check out both. While they both have "Sea" in the title, this is a case where I could well imagine someone who enjoys Robert Wyatt enjoying William D. Drake. Maybe I will do a William D Drake vs Nick Drake one (I've actually compared "River Man" to "Sea Song", and there's a certain bittersweet melancholy and fragility there which both can be linked to tragic circumstances I like making polls to because there's a process that gets me listening to music again and comparing. And I like hearing about what effect the music has on others. Sometimes I get some recommendations along the way. I do like to share what I like. I don't always share music I am into in polls (commonly I do), in some cases I try to reach a more diverse audience by setting up a comparison of two very different styles, one of which I might not be into (sometimes I get to appreciate music outside my wheelhouse because of polls). I am curious Rick why you ask. I'm happy to explain some of my my thinking process, and if this leads to more conversation. I treat polls as way to list discover. expose, and re-discover music, as well as means to having discussion. I love to read people's thoughts on the choices and first impressions. What is your thinking process behind the question? We get a lot of polls and I wouldn't expect that most make you both think and ask, why did, say, Frenetic Zetetic decide to do Tarkus vs Meddle etc. ? Maybe you do, actually I tend to think that. Look forward to your thoughts. |
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Manuel ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 09 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 13481 |
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Sea Song, though I also like Sea Horse.
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Wyatt
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 37993 |
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Very nice, although expected in this case, to see various people who shared that they like both. I love to see that when I really care about both (and even when I sometimes don't).
I have long considered Rock Bottom to be one of my favourite albums, "Sea Song' has been a very important song to me, and had listened to and liked Drake*, but last night I became particularly infatuated with his music, and this song which I thought of because of the word "Sea" -- sea started a little voyage of discovery and re-discovery. That is another reason I do polls, not only to expose people to music I like that I hope they will appreciate, but also to deepen my appreciation for music. This happens to me when I go into other people's polls too, and I do like those ones which are more specific (say on the song level) so it is easier to be more comparative and discover and re-discover music. I don't think that it would be easy to appreciate "Sea Song" more than I already have considering how important it has been to me, not to mention my infatuation with the whole of Rock Bottom and general love of Wyatt, but my appreciation of "Sea Horse" and William D Drake increased and is at a very high level now. I'll be re-visiting and visiting more of his material now, as well as related projects such as The Sea Nymphs. * William D Drake in this case, not Nick nor Bob, although I like those too, and not Drake the rapper from Toronto, nor Sir Francis -- I once read that a student had written of Sir Francis Drake that he had circumsized the world with a 100 foot clipper. Thanks to all for taking the time to listen if they didn't know both and to respond. I love both, and while Wyatt has been more important to me, for my new fixation and grater appreciation, I will vote Drake this time (I quite often do favour the newer or less listened to me in polls if both are very much appreciated -- as is common with people in the Interactive polls). |
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Rick1 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 14 2020 Location: Loughborough UK Status: Offline Points: 3034 |
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I think it is slightly odd to pit Wyatt against Drake, that's all. However, your explanation is fair enough - these polls have uncovered otherwise unheard music for me too.
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 37993 |
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^ Thanks for taking the time to explain your thinking behind the question, Rick. That can help me to formulate an answer and lead to a more interesting conversation.
That's interesting, and while I sometimes deliberately do polls of contrast, in this case the commonalities between the two artists music go beyond the fact that they both have "Sea" in the title of the tracks for me. Bu t we all associate differently. I actually had started on a longer "Sea" list, but decided to keep it simple to make listening easier for each other. Whenever I make a poll there is an associative process going on. It might seem mad, but there's always a certain method to it. Sometimes I explain that in the OP, but often I think such exposition would not be that interesting to people, take away a sense of mystery, or add value to the conversation. A lot of steps often take me somewhere and I'm not always that aware of it. But yeah, exposure and me re-valuating music is important to me. I also do like to see music that I find exciting and appealing away from the some of the usual suspects in the polls (whether by me or another). I am tired of seeing certain names getting pitted up again and again, and would rather do something different to what most do. A lot of the polls have been done before. Once you get to see enough of my polls and topics, you'll probably get a better feel for how I go about things and think, and the same for me with you. I am fascinated by people's motivations and thinking processes generally. I do love to see how people react to new-to-them music and how they will approach their responses in topics (I tend to treat polls as an accessory to discussion as well as means of discovery and re-discovery -- and for me me polls can help me to re-evaluate music in much the same way perhaps that some doo so by writing reviews. Writing reviews, however, can kill my appreciation as I generally don't enjoy that writing process and often prefer to let music and film wash over me than deeply analyse it. I do often wonder why people decided to approach a topic as they did-- like what was one's motivation for doing a Foxtrot vs. Close to the Edge poll as an example. I commonly like those where I might discover something new or gain some new insights into music (if not deeply analytical, but emotional). Glad you appreciate both and it was an interesting question to consider and delve into. |
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Morelia ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 23 2018 Location: Strasbourg Status: Offline Points: 118 |
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I didn't know William D. Drake. Thanks! I quite enjoyed him.
But like others before me, Sea Song is opening one of my all time favourite albums, and man what a way to open it. |
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Love both artist and both songs
Canīt choose
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 37993 |
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^ Always nice to see when it comes to two tracks and artists that I love.
By the way, a couple of reasons why Wyatt and William D Drake do not seem like really odd parings to me is that they have melancholic, and fairly intimate, and wistful music to me. I also could compare both to Nick Drake. They also also share kinds of art pop/ folk qualities, I would say, have a kind of restraint often and elegance to the music (often are quite chamber music like). I probably am not putting it as well as I could. I get a similar feel in various ways with these artists, and I could well imagine many people appreciating music by all three of those. Here's another Willam D. Drake song off Briny Hooves: It wouldn't shock me to hear Wyatt's voice adding to that song. Maybe the opening lyrics off "Sea Song" "You look different every time You come from the foam-crested brine" made me associate more with the album Briny Hooves (it's an associative process and I started with "Sea Song" to associate with and went with my memory where it took me). That said, I have often got comments like "That pairing makes no sense", "it's apples and oranges" and "they have nothing in common". We are pattern seeking animals, and find and make our own patterns. EDIT: I forget to mention that it's also certain gentle jazzy qualities which I think William D Drake and Robert Wyatt have in common with various music. Edited by Logan - September 22 2021 at 00:24 |
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i would love to hear Wyatt{s voice on the song "Me Fish Bring" by William Drake
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 37993 |
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That would be more excellent, methinks. Perhaps with James LaBrie adding backing vocals Erm, actually I think not. ![]() Just for those who may have missed the follow-up to this poll: J. LaBrie & W.D. Drake - Holding On to Me Fish (the poll title amused me for some reason).
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 37993 |
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I don't how familiar you are with William D. Drake's work (he of course was a member of Cardiacs, but has also involved in North Sea Radio Orchestra). I love lots of Sea Song covers (the Unthnaks and Rachel Unthank & The Winterset being favourites), I've been exploring more of W.D. Drake's work, and so have been listening to North Sea Radio Orchestra and that band's last album (with guests) is a cover of the Rock Bottom album plus some other Wyatt songs. So I think I was on the money of those artists not being odd enough to be concerned about comparing in a "Sea" song poll (I had only listened to earlier NSO that I recall). W.D. Drake performs on that album. Slightly odd, of course you said. I feel like a doofus not mentioning this earlier. In the Interactive Covers poll I even chose "Sea Song" and covers of it. It does make me think my intuitions were more right that these were not an odd couple to mention in a poll together. I thought they made for a more interesting pairing than other artists with "Sea" songs in my collection (I have done various polls based on words in the song or album title). By the way, I don't tend to treat polls as contests, so I don't think of it as pitting them against each other. Pairing would be my choice of words. I'd sooner expect W.D. Drake to like and be inspired by Wyatt than, say, Neal Morse but that pairing would be more than slightly odd. I actually did a poll before comparing Wyatt's Matching Mole "God Song" with Morse's "God's Love" in what I thought would make for an interesting contrast. I do have an appreciation for the absurd, I just hadn't thought of this as being one of my more absurd topics, so your question took some thinking through.
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