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Frenetic Zetetic 
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 Posted: June 26 2018 at 09:15 |
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Genesis all the way.
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dr wu23
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Posted: June 25 2018 at 18:29 |
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^ Ditto....except have someone bring me a mint julep.
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: June 25 2018 at 17:11 |
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In regards to the Residents, I don't get it, I am not inclined to get it in the future, and truthfully, I don't want to get it. There is nothing that I have heard from them these many years that I find endearing, compositionally interesting or even worth an extra listen. If that is what is considered "progressive" then I am not inclined to progress to that specific realm of self-actualization. I guess I haven't evolved to the point where that is music. I like it right where I am at, blithely comfortable in this leather chair. Although a mint iced tea sounds good. Perhaps someone will bring me a glass. Hello? Hello! Damn, I have to get up.
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Raccoon
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Posted: June 25 2018 at 17:07 |
When my friends and I visited San Fran, we searched for the address of the Residents' (the one listed on the records) because we're fans. We were led to these strange apartments, and I asked where some neighbors where this address was, and where the Residents were. Everyone was confused. Good fun, though! |
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questionsneverknown
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Posted: June 25 2018 at 16:53 |
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Ooh, somebody is being cheeky now.
The avatar to my left should say something about where my loyalties lie, but I don't think I'll click this bait. The Residents have meant a great deal to me, but so has Genesis. Both have been brilliant in what they've done. But my apples are resisting being put in the same bowl as the oranges. Or perhaps the chalk is fighting the cheese to adapt the apter metaphor. I think Mr Lemming gets it right above, and I can't add much more. I'll only add that The Residents have a lot more going on musically than some are indicating here--yes, there is some musicianship going on. Folks like Fred Frith and Don Preston understood that. But is the music prog rock? Not sure. Do they push the boat out? Sure. Many, many bands here on PA, and so many, many that I hold dear. But this tent has become a big, big tent--one that includes Miles Davis's Kind of Blue and Super Furry Animals's Phantom Power (both great albums to my ears). It's a nice tent, and it keeps the rain out, but I sometimes wonder if there's anybody still left out there, outside the tent.
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Raccoon
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Posted: June 25 2018 at 16:44 |
The Residents made Six Things to a Cycle, which balances jazz with avant-garde classical (based on a ballet they created). The whole album of Not Available is pure prog, being a concept album with different characters. I probably like The Residents at my age more than Genesis, but Genesis were one of the pioneers of the movement, so the vote's pretty easy. |
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CPicard
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Posted: June 25 2018 at 09:10 |
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To make people choose between the respectable well-known English farmer-gentleman and the astonishing anonymous American underground-eyemen is like asking if one prefers cannabis-flavoured tea with a hint of brandy or a pizza with hallucinogenic mushrooms. Luckily, there's a common ground: good ol' Uncles Zappa and Beefheart from America and our men in Germany (Neu! or Faust, anyone?)
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Posted: June 25 2018 at 09:00 |
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I love The Commercial Album (and I don't mean any of the three man Genesis records either...)
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Posted: June 25 2018 at 08:43 |
To me prog is an amazingly inappropriate genre label, and the choice in this poll illustrates its half-bakedness very well. "Es gibt kein richtiges Leben im falschen." (Theodor W. Adorno; "There's no right life in the wrong.") |
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CPicard
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Posted: June 25 2018 at 07:26 |
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residents is artist with lot albums
i prefer music that tendency to symphonic, prog , classical i am not interested totally in experimental What supposedly prog songs RESIDENTS have MADE IN PROG
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Posted: June 25 2018 at 06:34 |
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The Residents is to prog as Dada is to art.
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Posted: June 25 2018 at 06:08 |
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Genesis up to Mr. Hackett's departure. I can't tag The Residents as "prog" - their sound is way too "out there", at least to my ears.
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Upbeat Tango Monday
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Posted: June 24 2018 at 13:04 |
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Genesis. The Residents sounds like the avant crap I used to play when I was 16 and got my hands on a bass for the first time.
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Progosopher
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Posted: June 24 2018 at 13:02 |
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Both represent different definitions of 'progressive.' Genesis in that they used symphonic structures to create sophisticated rock, The Residents to experiment with the nature of music itself. I tend to support the more conventional definition here as represented by Genesis but gave my vote to the Residents.
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The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty"
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Manuel
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Posted: June 24 2018 at 12:44 |
I'm with you on this one. I completely agree.
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Posted: June 24 2018 at 09:27 |
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Substituting "proggiest" (I dont believe in such a thing) for "more adventurous", the Residents clearly.
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Posted: June 24 2018 at 08:50 |
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I'm glad both bands are here but have never really understood the
rationale behind the Residents inclusion on PA. (but then I've also
never considered most Krautrock as Prog either and I like quite a
lot of that) Maybe this is really the crux of the OP i.e. a variation
on the Prog v progressive debate?. There are many who believe the
current RIO/Avant placement is fitting for the maverick
Louisianians but I couldn't provide an argument against that welcome
being extended to the likes of Devo, Wall of Voodoo, PIL, Tom Waits or
Pere Ubu (the list goes on) so where do we draw the line?
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me the Residents roots are firmly embedded in 60's 'trash/kitsch'
psychedelia and their (earlier) music encompassed a DIY punk ethos that
exploited by necessity, whatever crude lo-fi gadgetry they had available
to create sounds (garage electronica?) There are also elements of Harry
Partch, Forbidden Planet OST, Raymond Scott, Dick Hyman et al
referenced in their output. Whether that makes them progressive or even
avant-garde is debatable but I discern a 'backwards looking' aesthetic
that seems to resemble a weird hybrid 'retro futurism' (Yes, the view from inside my own backside is lovely thanks  ) One of the most notable features of the Residents' sonic arsenal is their ability to warp recognizable timbres obtained from one source into those originating from another e.g. On 'Duck Stab' from 1978 there is some conventional bowed articulation on the accompaniment, but it seems to come from the brass, as though the horn players had swapped instruments with the violinists. Is this 'acoustic modeling' prefacing the digital sampling revolution by several years?  |
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Posted: June 24 2018 at 07:35 |
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Posted: June 24 2018 at 06:56 |
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Genesis up to the loss of Hackett are one of the proggiest bands around. The musical inventiveness, virtuosity, use of mellotron and the extensive use of visuals to enhance the live experience make them a leader in the field.
The Residents are just a bunch of guys fooling around IMO. They may be experimental, but they are a musical disaster area. They make Captain Beefheart seem normal. I don't even think they are progressive at all, at least not in the sense that it was used in the late 60s when I was one of the first aficionados of the genre. I understand that the meaning of prog is different to newer recruits and they may say, "It's prog Jim, but not as we know it", but to me, it's not prog.
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Posted: June 24 2018 at 06:30 |
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Genesis vs The Residents, which of these is the proggiest? To answer this requires that one consider what it means to be "prog", and these two groups represent rather different meanings of that term. It is up to you to choose what "prog" means to you. I chose Genesis because they are perhaps the best representative of classic progressive rock. I chose The Residents because of their highly experimental oddball nature. This poll is not asking which is the preferred group as it would be hard to compare such very different types of music and any such comparison would be pointless.
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