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Poll Question: Was Fragile an improvement on TYA by Yes?
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I think they're pretty even tbh. Both solid 4 star efforts.
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Yes. Every record got better and better from 1969-1975, with CTTE being my personal favorite.

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1. Fragile
2. TFTO
3. CTTE
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Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

Originally posted by dr prog dr prog wrote:

No. Yes dropped off slightly every year from 1970-77.

You know the face on the cover of Court of the Crimson King? Yeah thats the face I made when I read this comment.

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Originally posted by dr prog dr prog wrote:

No. Yes dropped off slightly every year from 1970-77.

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No. Yes dropped off slightly every year from 1970-77.
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Originally posted by Squonk19 Squonk19 wrote:

A good poll question and none of the options quite match my view. I've always put The Yes Album just ahead of Fragile because it is more consistent and less fragmented. However, both have classic tracks that define the band and which have been live staples for decades. However, Rick's keyboard work adds an extra dimension too. On saying that, Tony's more direct style works well on many tracks too. A few of the solo pieces do break up the flow, but the epics such as Heart of the Sunrise, Roundabout and South Side of the Sky are very special. Yet Yours is No Disgrace, Starship Trooper, Perpetual Change etc. are special too. I'm going round in circles and hovering over the second option, but........

One thing is certain - these two plus Close to the Edge form a trilogy that matches the Nursery Cryme, Foxtrot and Selling England by the Pound trio from Genesis and is quintessentially prog. Funny how both trilogies were followed by a double concept album which is considered a masterpiece or a misstep by fans in 1973-74.

I was actually thinking that earlier today(about how both bands had doubles out around the same time). I think it was just a coincidence. While Genesis kept going and only took a brief break to look for a singer. Yes's hiatus was much longer so they could all do solo albums(a bit of a misstep imo)but ELP's break was just as long(they eventually surfaced also with Works volume 1).
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I voted both equally strong. TYA has sentimental value for me because my dad owned it and I remember seeing the cover as a kid. It is the very first one I heard although I didn't like it until a bit later. I actually got into Yes first through 90125 as a teen(who else on here can say thatTongue). Fragile was one of the first I bought on cassette(after 90125 and classic Yes the first I bought on tape)so I have sentimental reasons for liking that one too. I find that the solo pieces help to make fragile more interesting and while I don't think it's light years above TYA they did up their game a bit in some ways. However, I ultimately went with option 2(about equally as strong).
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A good poll question and none of the options quite match my view. I've always put The Yes Album just ahead of Fragile because it is more consistent and less fragmented. However, both have classic tracks that define the band and which have been live staples for decades. However, Rick's keyboard work adds an extra dimension too. On saying that, Tony's more direct style works well on many tracks too. A few of the solo pieces do break up the flow, but the epics such as Heart of the Sunrise, Roundabout and South Side of the Sky are very special. Yet Yours is No Disgrace, Starship Trooper, Perpetual Change etc. are special too. I'm going round in circles and hovering over the second option, but........

One thing is certain - these two plus Close to the Edge form a trilogy that matches the Nursery Cryme, Foxtrot and Selling England by the Pound trio from Genesis and is quintessentially prog. Funny how both trilogies were followed by a double concept album which is considered a masterpiece or a misstep by fans in 1973-74.
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The problem I've always had with Fragile is that the small bits songs kill the flow of the album. These days I only listen to the long songs. 

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Originally posted by Mascodagama Mascodagama wrote:

I've always thought so. There's nothing on TYA to compare with Roundabout, South Side of the Sky or Heart of the Sunrise in my book. Then again I often think Fragile might be my favourite album in the symphonic genre and I am perhaps biased.
Only album in Symph prog that I think is slighly greater is Lamb.
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

No, I think The Yes album was better


I know who was on what albums--White funky sound on Tales changed Yes' sound---Jon said so at the time and its pretty obvious--and Patrick on Relayer changed it completely for the one album-- not to mention can't hear Bruford playing on that music----and Rick said he would have been wrong on that album.

Rabin def changed Yes sound --if you like it than he's important. I find it ok but not real interesting guitar.

but we will always disagree on the level of talent---the ones you mention as great talent are not IMO great at all but fairly standard wannabe prog musicians ---you either like Yes west or not--I think its ok not great---Sherwood has not been on one important mind-blowing  Yes album so what you think he brings I don't get.


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In a way, TYA is still a UK proto-prog album, while Fragile is a symph rock one.

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

I was just thinking about how some people don't like Fragile because of the solo pieces but was wondering what the over all opinion on this is.


I prefer TYA (Kaye's organ and piano give a great tone to the band), but despite those "dumb" solo pieces (I mean some are OK, but no more) Fragile is a better album, because Yes knew where they were going (though the replacement of Kaye helped only marginally IMHO, by then). But Frigile would be nowhere without TYA

Another thing is that TYA's artwork and title are really not very good (though I find Fragile's artwork relatively clumsy by Roger Dean standards)

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I prefer The Yes Album by quite a margin. Then again I’m one of the few on here who believes that they never bettered that album.
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I was a bit too quick to vote for the top option. Yes definitely became a better band but overall there is very little difference between the albums. Both had great tracks and both had bits I don't care for. Both 4 star albums imo.
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No, they are about the same/both equally strong ... but The Yes album is one of their finest albums imho.
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My answer for that question about greatest Yes-album is YES! Really the Yes album is almost as great, but there are pieces like Roundabout, South Side, Long Distance, Heart Of the Sunshine they go even greater! But still Yours is no Disgrace is my fav Yessong.
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Yes, I think Fragile is better, in general. But, somehow, Fragile is an unbalanced album due to the individual tracks what doesn't happen with The Yes Album.
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Depends how one defines 'improvement'.   Fragile is a more defined and realized album, but that doesn't necessarily men it was an improvement.   I prefer TYA.
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Option #2 comes closest. Fragile is my #2 Yes album and The Yes album is #3, but with minimal difference.
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