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DoobieBrother6 ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() Joined: February 04 2025 Location: Ontario Status: Offline Points: 50 |
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Vanilla Fudge - Beat Goes On
horrid almost as much filler as Floyd's "The Wall" |
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Michael Oldfield - Heaven's Open
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Todd Rundgren The Ever Popular Tortured Artist Effect
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Grumpyprogfan ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 09 2019 Location: Kansas City Status: Offline Points: 12382 |
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^That is not a bad album.
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Dylan 1973. Columbia released Dylan after Bob Dylan jumped ship for another label. Dylan wasn't pleased.
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Love Beach?
I think of filler as a deliberate attempt to make an album longer despite knowing that the music does not add significant value. I would posit that what some call filler is actually mortar for The Wall. Some of what I have seen called filler I do believe helps with the atmosphere of the album and acts as useful bridges. I think that The Wall is a great concept album and some of what I have seen called filler works with other tracks as some of my fave favourite sections of the album. That said, if the band states that there is filler (just to make the album a full double-album) then I won't disagree with them. |
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omphaloskepsis ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 19 2011 Location: Texas Status: Offline Points: 6793 |
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^ Exactly
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King Crimsons "Earthbound"... Theres a good story behind that one. Recorded on a cassette player outdoors IIRC. Although I wouldn't call it a BAD album. But it does sound like a bootleg and features Boz Burrell on Vocals. Best version of Schizoid man IMO. Too bad it wasn't recorded nicely.
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https://bakullama1.bandcamp.com/album/sleepers-2024
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ELP have a couple ( I don't need to state them)
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Camel's 'The Single Factor' was a classic case of a contractual obligation album created under pressure from a record label (in Camel's case Decca Records) to produce a hit single, and the "made-to-order" nature of its composition resulted in a selection of songs described as "odd" on the band's official website. Unlike previous Camel albums, 'The Single Factor' consists exclusively of shorter compositions of around 3 to 5 minutes in length.
This is how the album is described on the Camel Productions website: In mid-1981, as he would tell 'Q' Magazine some 10 years later, drummer Andy Ward succumbed to alcohol and drug abuse and attempted suicide, unsuccessfully to the relief of all. But it rendered Ward unable to play drums in the foreseeable future. In shock, the band dissolved, the remainder of the tour was canceled and recording for the next album was postponed in the hope that Ward would recover. Internal problems of the band were not the concern of Decca Records to which CAMEL were contractually bound for a specific recorded output. Decca refused to be put off any longer and upped the pressure for a hit single. With delays no longer possible, Latimer had to accept that his friend and drummer would not recover and thus, with Andrew Latimer the sole surviving member of CAMEL, 'THE SINGLE FACTOR' was recorded and duly released in April 1982. Writing on demand had produced an odd mix of songs but entering the studio provided an unexpected bright spot. During the recording of NUDE in studio 3 at Abbey Road Studios, the Alan Parsons Project were recording just down the hall in studio 2. Curious by nature, singer Chris Rainbow and bassist/singer David Paton popped in on the CAMEL sessions and new friendships were forged. Unbeknownst to all at the time, this laid the groundwork for a new lineup. Eventually, 'THE SINGLE FACTOR' would see a whole new line of artists including Rainbow and Paton as well as Anthony Phillips (former Genesis), Francis Monkmon (Sky), and guest drummers Simon Phillips (The Who, Jeff Beck, Toto), Dave Mattacks (Fairport Convention) and Graham Jarvis (Cliff Richard). Time had healed the rift between Latimer and Peter Bardens and although their opposing musical styles would not see eye-to-eye again, Bardens made a guest appearance on the album, forging new friendships himself that would later become 'Keats'. But Ward was unable to appear on the album and hoping to keep the matter private, CAMEL naively included a simple footnote in the liner notes that Andy Ward did not appear due to an injury to his hand. I don't personally consider the album to be anywhere near as bad as it's made out to be though.
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^ Shocking to read about Andy Ward's 'troubles'. He came close to becoming a full time member of Marillion a few years later as many will know having toured with them. Not sure what happened to his career after that. Great drummer in his heyday (70's)
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The Sicilian Defence by Alan Parsons Project is another example.
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However, Andy has put together an album consisting of a selection of tracks from the work of some of the many other musicians he has had the privilege of recording with, called 'Sticking Around'. This CD was released in November 2003 as an answer to the very many enquiries he has had about what he has been doing in the two decades since leaving Camel: https://andywardmusic.com/order-cd/. What he has been doing since 2003 though, I'm not so sure about. Edit: In 1994, Andy joined Peter Bardens' Mirage, a progressive "supergroup" combining members from both Camel and Caravan. Their 'Mirage Live 14.12.94' album is available in full on YouTube here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQ6jKxOj120. You can read Andy's memories of his short time in Marillion in this Marko's Marillion Museum interview conducted with him in January 2021. In the interview Andy states that he and his wife Didy are now retired in Suffolk and spending their time gardening. Life on the road has no appeal to him now: https://www.markosmarillionmuseum.com/andy-ward.
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them fighting words, dude !!!! ![]() ![]() ![]() There is no that much filling stuff in the album, because it all holds up in the storyline, but indeed most of Side 3 between Hey You and Comfortably Numb can appear as filler stuff, especially Vera and Bring The Boys. IMHO, there is more filler stuff in The Lamb (which is nearly 15mins longer than The Wall), as most of side 4 is expandable (and even annoying) ================= Not prog, but Elton John was leaving MCA for his own label, but MCA insisted on the album still owed contractually. So Elton scraped the bottom of the barrel and came up with 28' of stuff. MCA went to court and won on the ground that an "LP" was more than 30'/ Sooooo, Elton pulled another bottom-of-drawer stuff and put it on the album master. .
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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Hi, What is strange is that THE FINAL CUT has stuff that was originally in THE WALL and was cut out because THE WALL was too long. It was only visible in the previews of THE WALL, that had one show in the Bay Area that we caught ... it was very good, but also over 2 hours which nowadays is too long for the pop-laden folks that can't handle longer material ... pretty soon we gonna say that WAR AND PEACE and MOBY DICK have so much filler that it makes the novels boring! Or that David Lean's well known long shot is a waste of celluloid, for someone that has no appreciation for the art form ... generally speaking! If so many folks, here, were not onto the pop-rock thing, and more into "progressive" and "innovative" works, I would not accept such a thing ... and I'm not sure what the big deal is with musicians wanting to expand beyond the 3 and 4 minute barrier to create works that are more "novelistic" than just a pop song ... if pop song you want, please go back to the polka dot bikini days, and not post about progressive music? THE WALL is not a bad album, and in essence neither are any of the PF albums ... but some folks don't like it an they think they have the right to say so ... good thing they are not the artist, or musician, because folks like these would not last 3 days!
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Agree on "Love Beach".
This gets trashed and parroted about all the forums but its a fine lp. Also: FM City of Fear Gentle Giant Civilian Nothing the matter with these. |
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