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Originally posted by Starshiper Starshiper wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

-Yep it's totally unique that PA labels Calling
All Stations and Foxtrot as the same kind of music, and that a Miles
Davis recording from April 1945 is filed under Jazz Rock/Fusion.
I don't need Winston Churchill to tell me. Seriously, that's not an actual argument. In regards to genre tags, Jazz Music Archives' model - like practically every single comparable online music site, is less wrong and therefore more helpful to their users than PA. Yet you insist that you prefer the latter.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (2) Thanks(2)   Quote Psychedelic Paul Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2024 at 03:30
Originally posted by Starshiper Starshiper wrote:

I like that PA doesn't have a multi-tag system since this is now something unique, because now all other music websites have a multi-tag system, and many of those tags people put are meaningless.

That makes two of us. I also much prefer PA's unique system of assigning one singular genre tag per artist. Thumbs Up
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MikeEnRegalia Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2024 at 03:39
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Starshiper Starshiper wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

The tags help to describe the music, that's all. 
Reviews are the thing that help in today's time of super multi-multiplied multi-tags.

"super multi-multiplied multi-tags"?! Really?! Disapprove

Have a look for instance at Miles Davis's page on JMA and then tell me how it's a bad thing what they've done there. 


Haven't looked at JMA at all ... but it seems like they're assigning on genre to each release and then simply showing all release genres on the artist page. Certainly a big improvement over PA Smile
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Originally posted by Starshiper Starshiper wrote:

 When I go to the PA database, however, to the entry of a band that is categorised as "symphonic prog," I know that it is prog-rock.
Sure, but which of the 30+ Genesis releases are actually symphonic prog? Only a tiny fraction. As a newbie that still leaves you clueless. Same with Miles Davis in JRF, as others have pointed out. The nice, simple one-dimensional label only makes sense to those who are already very familiar with the artist.

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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Starshiper Starshiper wrote:

 When I go to the PA database, however, to the entry of a band that is categorised as "symphonic prog," I know that it is prog-rock.
Sure, but which of the 30+ Genesis releases are actually symphonic prog? Only a tiny fraction. As a newbie that still leaves you clueless. Same with Miles Davis in JRF, as others have pointed out. The nice, simple one-dimensional label only makes sense to those who are already very familiar with the artist.

Okay, but if that logic is to be followed, what's the point of non-prog albums in the prog-rock database anyway? Then the entries in the database would have to be based on releases, not on bands, because a number of bands left prog-rock at some point in their careers; some of them released only one prog-rock album as their debut prior to changing their style into pop-rock. Or, what jazz artists like Miles Davis or Wayne Shorter do on this site that defines itself as a progressive rock site? There is JMA for them.
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^ The policy has always been to include entire discographies. 
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Starshiper Starshiper wrote:

I like that PA doesn't have a multi-tag system since this is now something unique, because now all other music websites have a multi-tag system, and many of those tags people put are meaningless.

That makes two of us. I also much prefer PA's unique system of assigning one singular genre tag per artist. Thumbs Up
Progarchives is like an old museum located in an old building, and as such is quite unique these days. Should a historic museum be relocated to a new building just because it's "more functional"? Nope. All that's needed is upkeep.
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Originally posted by Starshiper Starshiper wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Starshiper Starshiper wrote:

I like that PA doesn't have a multi-tag system since this is now something unique, because now all other music websites have a multi-tag system, and many of those tags people put are meaningless.

That makes two of us. I also much prefer PA's unique system of assigning one singular genre tag per artist. Thumbs Up
Progarchives is like an old museum located in an old building, and as such is quite unique these days. Should a historic museum be relocated to a new building just because it's "more functional"? Nope. All that's needed is upkeep.

Proud Words on a Dusty Shelf - as Ken Hensley once said. Smile
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Music is music. You either like it or not. Same goes with multi-tagging.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Saperlipopette! Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2024 at 07:34
Originally posted by Starshiper Starshiper wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Starshiper Starshiper wrote:

I like that PA doesn't have a multi-tag system since this is now
something unique, because now all other music websites have a multi-tag
system, and many of those tags people put are meaningless.


That makes two of us. I also much prefer PA's unique system of assigning one singular genre tag per artist. Thumbs Up
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is like an old museum located in an old building, and as such is quite
unique these days. Should a historic museum be relocated to a new
building just because it's "more functional"? Nope. All that's needed is
upkeep.
What we're discussing would be a natural part of mentioned upkeep. A dysfunctional old museum that never upgrade their services (etc), located in a old, worn down building that isn't properly maintained, will experience a steady decrease in its visiting numbers. Much like PA.

-All that said, I don't personally need all these tags and genres. I'm just pointing out the obvious dysfunctionalities in the model you two - or three, for some absurd reason prefer.
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^ At AP (or RYM, for that matter) you do not have to participate in the tagging at all, or you can use it just a little ... it is optional. I created AP, and it sometimes surprises me how worked-up regular users (who are not running music websites) get over these things. Not you specifically, but looking at this thread in general.

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Originally posted by Starshiper Starshiper wrote:

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Progarchives is like an old museum located in an old building, and as such is quite unique these days. Should a historic museum be relocated to a new building just because it's "more functional"? Nope. All that's needed is upkeep.

Hi,

I guess we're gonna wait for The Louvre to start falling apart and lose a lot of art ... because it is not functional, or meaningful? Or a bomb will take it down, just like London lost a lot of art in the big wars in the 20th Century.

Old museums are an interest look at a lot of time in the history of the arts ... but then, I think that Jensen's History of Art is far more important, as it actually discusses the various periods and this makes them be a lot more interesting ... the only upkeep, is yours and mine abilities to process all that stuff ... and then try to make sense of a lot of history in the past 500/600 years, that has tendency to show a lot of the "progressive" ideas, within the sense that things are changing and possibly improving ... and a lot of this may have happened when the orchestras got bigger, and kinda dropped off in the 20th Century big time ... though our local symphonies are so out of time and place as to not be funny, or even enjoyable ... another museum that is going to die as well, I bet!


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^ Do you think the Louvre has received no functional upgrades throughout the decades? 
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I went to the Louvre some years ago and the Venus de Milo was still missing an arm.

(just an absurd and 'armless attempt at a joke in case anyone thinks I went too far out on a limb, and missed the point)

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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ Do you think the Louvre has received no functional upgrades throughout the decades? 

Hi,

I'm sure it has ... but it is a war that scares me the most ... if the big church gets a makeover, I'm pretty sure a lot of those historical buildings, end up getting a makeover so they help the city maintain its status as as "history" ... at least in the arts.

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

I went to the Louvre some years ago and the Venus de Milo was still missing an arm.

(just an absurd and 'armless attempt at a joke in case anyone thinks I went too far out on a limb, and missed the point)

(love it ... wonderful!)

And I'm sure that the Mona Lisa was still watching you ... and her bird brain was wondering what you were thinking?


Edited by moshkito - September 23 2024 at 10:22
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

I went to the Louvre some years ago and the Venus de Milo was still missing an arm.

(just an absurd and 'armless attempt at a joke in case anyone thinks I went too far out on a limb, and missed the point)

LOL
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Hey, Stack, speaking of John Goodsall (and Patrick Moraz), ever seen this?


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MikeEnRegalia Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2024 at 12:58
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

I went to the Louvre some years ago and the Venus de Milo was still missing an arm.

(just an absurd and 'armless attempt at a joke in case anyone thinks I went too far out on a limb, and missed the point)

Don't worry about it, just a flesh wound LOL
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

I went to the Louvre some years ago and the Venus de Milo was still missing an arm.

(just an absurd and 'armless attempt at a joke in case anyone thinks I went too far out on a limb, and missed the point)


Don't worry about it, just a flesh wound LOL






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