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Awesoreno
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I get what you're saying, but doing away with the "prog" vs. "progressive" makes it harder for me to explain certain groups/movements than I'm used to. Because I think distinguishing between "prog" as a stylistic term (difficult as it is to nail down) and "progressive" as a term that takes into account the context of the time when the music was recorded/released is important. King Crimson in the 70s was clearly "prog," and progressive in terms of popular music of the time. Whereas Radiohead was progressive for the time, but not really "prog" stylistically, and Flower Kings is undoubtedly "prog" but not progressive at all.
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Saperlipopette!
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^One might not be personally enthusiastic about distinguishing between "Prog" and progressive. Its understandable. But without that distinction Prog Archives would have to remove about 80-90% of its bands and artists. Surely most of us know when something is "Prog", as in short for "progressive". But that only covers a small percentage of the music on PA. Radiohead is a perfect example. When I listen to Kid A or In Rainbows I don't hear "Prog" as in short for "progressive". Much like say... Can, Tortoise or Zappa, I hear music related to rock that is progressive in its approach. A lot of proggers don't associate Krautrock, Post Rock of Jazz Rock (etc...) with Prog as such. I'm one of them myself. But they all represent variations of a progressive approach to what rock music can be and mean. Without being the genre "Prog Rock". That's why I think they have a natural place in the Prog Archives. Even without actually being Prog.
(Edit: in a nutshell I'm basically agreeing with Awesoreno) Edited by Saperlipopette! - September 22 2024 at 09:28 |
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David_D
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"prog music" looks even better to me as a short form of "Progressive Rock and Prog-related music".
Edited by David_D - September 22 2024 at 04:01 |
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quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond
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David_D
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Thank you, guys, because whatever you might think of my posts here, I've come more in terms with the term "prog music" and the way ProgArchives looks today.
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quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond
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David_D
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One more thing to this, as usually, I prefer quality over quantity. Edited by David_D - September 22 2024 at 05:26 |
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cstack3
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It's all good!! I really enjoy the open banter amongst the many members of the PA community, who span the globe!! Trying to define "progressive rock" is about as hopeless as trying to define "jazz." We know it when we hear it! Now, please enjoy some of my favorite jazz-rock fusion! This song ran through my head when I was in Istanbul in 1979. RIP John Goodsall, my friend. |
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verslibre
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Hey, Stack, speaking of John Goodsall (and Patrick Moraz), ever seen this?
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Starshiper
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My favourite archetypal jazz-rock track of all time, in the meaning of
jazz-rock as part of prog, is Cat in Clark's Shoes by Gong. Edited by Starshiper - September 23 2024 at 01:21 |
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David_D
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To be most precise, I'd say: Artists make albums, and then we try to classify them. We can do that from different genre perspectives and multi-tagged them. So actually, it's about multi-tagging - but it's also an expression of different influences.
Edited by David_D - September 22 2024 at 23:27 |
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MikeEnRegalia
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At AP we use multi-tagging, and not only that, but with each tag assignment you can specify a level, to indicate whether that tag is only a minor influence (low level) or a major or even dominant part of the music. RYM does that to some extent (they have primary/secondary genres and descriptors). What we also do at AP (and what no other website is doing AFAIK) is to optionally take it down to the track level, which few users do since it's a lot of work, but it can be helpful sometimes to indicate that some tag on a release is only featured in a few tracks.
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Starshiper
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Cristi
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Multiple tags is a good thing, especially when there are artists that change genre, experiment, try new things, or go with the trends of the time and so on.
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Starshiper
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Cristi
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The tags help to describe the music, that's all. I don't know what site are you talking about with "multi-tagged pages", I've never seen such a thing, it does not seem like a good idea. MMA and JMA have multi-tags, they more or less fixed this issue.
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Sean Trane
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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Saperlipopette!
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^^It would be unique to tag every single Kubrick film as horror because of The Shining too. Uniquely wrong:)
-Yep it's totally unique that PA labels Calling All Stations and Foxtrot as the same kind of music, and that a Miles Davis recording from April 1945 is filed under Jazz Rock/Fusion. |
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David_D
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This post of mine was just meant as a methodological one, but then it can be pointed that with one-tag system, we have to classify according to the most prominent genre in an artist's work. So in that case, we have for instance enten to classify as Prog or JRF, and the dichotomy is not to avoid. |
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Starshiper
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Cristi
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"super multi-multiplied multi-tags"?! Really?! Have a look for instance at Miles Davis's page on JMA and then tell me how it's a bad thing what they've done there. Edited by Cristi - September 23 2024 at 02:30 |
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