When was prog labeled?

dr wu23 wrote: SteveG wrote: This has been discussed many times by many prog experts, on this forum and others, and the general consensus is that no one is really sure. There is confusion caused by some conflating "progressive artists" from the 60s with the "prog rock" tag that came out in the 70s, just to make things a bit more fun.   Yep...and I wish I had a dime for every time a thread was started on what is prog rock and when it started .

chopper wrote: Grumpyprogfan wrote: ^Wobbler's music is a copy of music done in the 70's. It is not original or pushing boundaries, therefore, it can not be progressive.  Ah but there is a difference between "prog" and "progressive" (in my mind anyway) and Wobbler's music is prog, but not progressive because it's pretty retro.

I prophesy disaster wrote: I should remark that I deliberately intended for "forward looking" to be broad in meaning. And even when "progressive" is being used in the political sense, it still means "forward looking" in contrast to the conservatives who seek a return to the "good ol' days".

David_D wrote: cstack3 wrote: Nobody called it "prog" or even "progressive") in the USA back then.  If anything, the labels "art rock" and "theater rock" were thrown around interchangeably.   ......... I don't think I even heard the term "prog" until well into the 1990s.  I do know that Peter Banks (RIP) did not like the term one bit.  He thought the term "Dave" would be better.  BUT okay, I don't know how much this quotation tells about USA, and by the way, I understand now where "the term" "Dave" comes from, as I've seen you referring to it before.  But still, where does "Dave" come from?

chopper wrote: Grumpyprogfan wrote: ^Wobbler's music is a copy of music done in the 70's. It is not original or pushing boundaries, therefore, it can not be progressive.  Ah but there is a difference between "prog" and "progressive" (in my mind anyway) and Wobbler's music is prog, but not progressive because it's pretty retro.

David_D wrote: chopper wrote: Grumpyprogfan wrote: ^Wobbler's music is a copy of music done in the 70's. It is not original or pushing boundaries, therefore, it can not be progressive.  Ah but there is a difference between "prog" and "progressive" (in my mind anyway) and Wobbler's music is prog, but not progressive because it's pretty retro. To be sure, do you use the word "progressive" here as a usual word or as a part of the name/label for the kind of music called Progressive Rock?

Heart of the Matter wrote: Psychedelic Paul wrote: chopper wrote: Grumpyprogfan wrote: ^Wobbler's music is a copy of music done in the 70's. It is not original or pushing boundaries, therefore, it can not be progressive.  Ah but there is a difference between "prog" and "progressive" (in my mind anyway) and Wobbler's music is prog, but not progressive because it's pretty retro. In that case, maybe Wobbler's music should be called Regressive Rock.  Coined! I'm so happy with this new potential genre to discuss!

Heart of the Matter wrote:   Since it's a Return to Progressive Rock maybe it's Retroprogressive Rock (now I'm becoming a bit dizzy, I must confess).

Heart of the Matter wrote: Cristi wrote: A lot of bands that wear their influences on their sleeves still create interesting music. Even Wobbler is such an example.  Since it's a Return to Progressive Rock maybe it's Retroprogressive Rock (now I'm becoming a bit dizzy, I must confess).

Edited by David_D - February 19 2022 at 10:15

I think making the distinction between progressive rock and prog and so on is just wanting to complicate things. For me, prog rock is just a short for progressive rock, and just prog a short for both. And I think the problem is trying to use progressive as a definition of the music, for me it should just be a name for the genre, which has a description attached to it (though we may not so easily agree on that description either). As far as I'm concerned, I think it would have worked better if it had stayed as Art Rock... though that perhaps would have needed to include some other bands that we wouldn't traditionally consider prog.