What would you like to have discussed about Prog?
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Topic: What would you like to have discussed about Prog?
Posted By: SteveG
Subject: What would you like to have discussed about Prog?
Date Posted: October 04 2014 at 15:20
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What subjects, topics, genres, bands, musicians or anything else relating to Prog music that would you like to have discussed? In other words, what's on your mind?
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Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: October 04 2014 at 15:37
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Which Krautrock bands specific 19th century German Idealist philosophers would have listened to if they were alive today.
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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: October 04 2014 at 16:33
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To what extent can composition occur after the performance, rather than before? ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: Anoraknok
Date Posted: October 04 2014 at 17:26
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Well I'd be happy if there was more about modern underground scene and less about 'who's balls are bigger, Rush or King Crimson's' or 'who moves fingers faster, Petrucci or Lifeson'. I mean those all are legends and we know it, but its getting old. Too old. |
Posted By: maxsmusic
Date Posted: October 04 2014 at 17:44
| Music must evolve and adapt to the current environment of public consumption. The underground will be the domain of creativity. |
Posted By: Anoraknok
Date Posted: October 04 2014 at 17:48
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Interesting point. If you notice the pattern on social networks, it seems that progressive community revolve around the same old holy cows, whose images and icons emerge recurrently. Quality wise, let alone novelty-wise, modern progressive and avant-garde underground deserves - and needs attention. All these holy cows of prog mostly have enough money to support themselves. They don't need us to sell their creations. Underground artist do. |
Posted By: JD
Date Posted: October 04 2014 at 17:56
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How would the classic composers of the 19th century respond to the interpretations of their music by progessive artists. I heard the interview clip from Aaron Copland about Fanfare knowing that he had lived through the transformation of modern music. How shocked would Liszt, Wagner, Bartok or Mussorgsky be at hearing their compositions in the manner of ELP, Par Lindh or even ELO? ------------- Thank you for supporting independently produced music |
Posted By: Anoraknok
Date Posted: October 04 2014 at 18:04
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I think I have an answer, JD. If we'd attach the dynamo generators to their coffins, it'd provide the electricity to the entire state. |
Posted By: Stool Man
Date Posted: October 04 2014 at 18:09
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Will the old bands continue as tribute bands after all the original members have passed? ------------- rotten hound of the burnie crew |
Posted By: maxsmusic
Date Posted: October 04 2014 at 18:15
| I always felt that music is more about feeling than sound. The best music is the kind that gets into your head and doesn't leave. Gentle Giant is one example of a band that stretched the boundaries of progressive music. They are still viable today as much as contemporary music such as Porcupine Tree. When the bends get you, you are done. Kerry, where are you? The logical extension of an idea. |
Posted By: JD
Date Posted: October 04 2014 at 18:59
So what you're saying is..."Roll Over Beethoven". Got it! ------------- Thank you for supporting independently produced music |
Anoraknok wrote:Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: October 04 2014 at 19:04
------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: Argonaught
Date Posted: October 04 2014 at 19:18
I think Liszt would be excited. He was not only a "classic classical" composer and pianist, but (allegedly) a rock-star-like showman of the day, who enjoyed pushing the boundaries.  I am not sure about Wagner, or even about which one of them? I think there were 2 (?) Bartók, as in Béla, would be a 20th century composer rather than a 19th century one, so he doesn't count here (unless there was another, non-Béla Bartók earlier?) Mussorgsky, probably, wouldn't care: he is said to have been either drunk, or depressed most of his life
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Posted By: Rick Robson
Date Posted: October 04 2014 at 19:26
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When the mainstream prog bands (mainly from the seventies) will no longer be the most present in the PA Forum threads? I don't know if the same happens to the other prog rock forums. -------------  "Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy." LvB |
Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: October 05 2014 at 02:44
When I discover a good new band who aren't particularly famous on an international level, I also usually start a new thread about them but I haven't really had time to go exploring for new artists in a while nor had time to digest obscure new music. For the most part I'm actually somewhat satisfied with those threads, though I sometimes wish they'd go to more than 1 page of replies more often. I do wonder if there might be a generation gap going on with the older posters, though, since the more interesting modern progressive music projects are usually those that aren't just 1970s throwbacks. There are actually a few interesting more obscure artists I've wanted to start threads about, but have either been too busy or too lazy to do so. What do you say that I start one tonight? ------------- "The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook |
Posted By: Anoraknok
Date Posted: October 05 2014 at 04:08
| I'd be definitely curious. They do need support more than any band with a huge fan base. |
Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: October 05 2014 at 05:07
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I'll have a thread about http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=3428" rel="nofollow - Aluk Todolo online
in the Bands/Artists/Genres forum later today, then, but I first need
to write a lengthy opening post explaining why I find their signature
style so interesting... which will take some time. They're probably the
band on PA I've been listening to the most over the course of this
autumn season, and I find them deserving of not just a bigger audience
than they enjoy themselves but so many other music projects from a
similar background. In the meantime, you might want to peruse http://rateyourmusic.com/collection/HorseMouth/reviews" rel="nofollow - the reviews of RateYourMusic user HorseMouth. Despite being only 19 years old, he seems to have an encyclopaedic knowledge of 1960s/1970s avantgarde/experimental music and not just prog/psych rock but also free jazz and early electronic music. ------------- "The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook |
Posted By: JD
Date Posted: October 05 2014 at 08:07
Point of fact: Bartok was born in 1881, so that put's him in the 19th century. I understand you are probably thinking more about when his compositions were written. I guess the question will always remain, would their expectations be that a composition be performed faithfully to the score or could the composers of that era appreciate the sometimes massive shift in arrangements and , let's say, "sound" that modern prog artists, with their funky electronic noises, put forth? I think Emerson would have been branded a witch and burned at the stake along side his monster Moog.  ------------- Thank you for supporting independently produced music |
Posted By: Argonaught
Date Posted: October 05 2014 at 09:39
Paul, John, George and Ringo were all born in the early 1940s. Does this make the Beatles a WWII-era band? |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: October 05 2014 at 10:32
Have we ever really determined how we define prog rock ...?
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Posted By: Michael678
Date Posted: October 05 2014 at 10:46
i don't know when that will be or even if that will happen at all. unless someone takes them all out of their site and let people only talk about more unknown bands and new and upcoming ones. that's what i think. ------------- Progrockdude |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: October 05 2014 at 10:55
That will never happen. When have you ever seen PA without a running Genesis poll? I've certainly never witnessed it...... for better or for worse: there are always going to be new folks joining the site, and most often it'll be through the powers of Yes/Genesis/KC/Pink Floyd and perhaps to a lesser extent DT/Radiohead/Tool/PT. It's the fuel that runs this site - even if it got old for some of us. If people make a genuine effort to talk about new or obscure bands, the thread almost never reaches page 2. Why? maybe there is too much out there, or maybe people are contempt with talking about the same as they always do - or maybe tastes never shift that much (my own not included - they shift with the wind), tell you the truth, I don't know..........but one thing that'll never happen is the demise of say all things Genesis on PA. There will always be a crowd for that. Trust me on this  ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: JD
Date Posted: October 05 2014 at 13:40
Not even close to being the same distinction. It does make them a 20th Century band though. ------------- Thank you for supporting independently produced music |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: October 05 2014 at 13:53
| I would like to start a thread on Passport, and what it was like to see them in concert. |
Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: October 05 2014 at 14:22
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Thread on http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=99915" rel="nofollow - Aluk Todolo is up and running, just as promised. Anyone with an interest in a combination of psychedelia, goth rock, black metal or post-rock would do well to check that band out. ------------- "The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: October 05 2014 at 14:45
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Posted By: Anoraknok
Date Posted: October 05 2014 at 15:02
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That's exactly my point. I would love to know more about the obscure projects, because not always it is possible to take time and browse through the myriads of independent band pages. Sometimes I take my time and browse randomly through bandcamp/reverbnation/whatever in search for music. Sometimes I find quite fascinating pieces. Small examples would be Sh.tg.N., RIshloo, The Berserk; FAS; Transport Aerian; Hibernal; The Walkabouts; Zero 7... There are more of course. |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: October 05 2014 at 15:05
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^Cool. I'll check them out. ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: October 05 2014 at 15:58
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I also just linked to a new thread about one.
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Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: October 05 2014 at 16:43
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I would like to go into detail about specific phrasing, recurrent themes, or transitions in pieces of music themselves. I mainly don't do so out of laziness, I guess. Trying to reference specific parts of YouTube vids, I'd end up spending more time on posts than I usually care to. The point remains it'd be nice to get into some nitty gritty, as opposed to broad summations.
I'd also like to see more topics concerning timbre. To me it's the heart and soul of Prog, what separates it from simply fusion or the like. I fear that my enthusiasm would not be shared widely on the site, and any such thread would just die out. I might try something anyway - been thinking about it for awhile. |
Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: October 06 2014 at 12:12
| Who is to replace the aging cadre of prog masters. |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: October 06 2014 at 12:21
| Oddly worded question - do you mean "what would you like to discuss?" |
Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: October 06 2014 at 12:32
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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: October 06 2014 at 12:44
| I remember the first month I joined P.A....I posted a reply to a King Crimson thread and some members responded like this..."Well they're not very good". What does that have to do with anything? We should discuss the importance of a band regardless if we personally like them or not. If you can't find the historical significance to a band's music because you dislike it, then that's just being foolish and thinking only of yourself and being dismissive of discussing a topic on facts. |
Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: October 06 2014 at 13:02
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As I appreciate the 'BEARDS' discussion Dave mentioned ( I'd be all for it considering I'm a bearded freak myself) I would be in favour of a very long, scruffy and drawn out on the sub culture behind beards and its connection with the music they play. For example, and this is just my opinion, when Phil Collins had a nice full-beard while with genesis from 1976 to 1978 he was at his very very best vocally in my opinion as well as his song writing.
Genesis as a band really seemed to respond well to him as a front man. I think it's because of the command and respect from the BEARD. Lol. One more example. Damian Wilson of Threshold who has always been a great singer, but now sporting a decent beard (slightly cropped) is really in full swing and I feel he sounds better than ever. Ok. One more. Nick mason's crazy handle bar mustache in 1971 to 1973 gave him special powers. He was at his drumming best. Look at him on the DVD 'live in Pompei.' It's pure mustache possession. ;) ------------- Gimmie my headphones now!!! 🎧🤣 |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: October 06 2014 at 13:07
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Hah...I deleted my beard post. Now I wish I hadn't. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: bloodnarfer
Date Posted: October 06 2014 at 13:11
You are right. I will make sure in 40 years time, I will still be carrying the Genesis flag high for all to see! Unless I decide I don't like them anymore between now and then. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ramza1316" rel="nofollow - www.last.fm/user/ramza1316 https://open.spotify.com/user/1211221845" rel="nofollow - https://open.spotify.com/user/1211221845 |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: October 06 2014 at 13:13
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I love Genesis too, and, I'm guessing here, 90% of the upcoming members will probably do so as well ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: October 06 2014 at 13:14
Awe why? You must of shaved or something.
It's ok. I can take the reigns of the beard movement. ------------- Gimmie my headphones now!!! 🎧🤣 |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: October 06 2014 at 16:02
Ok, you got me, what you said is what I meant. ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: October 09 2014 at 13:26
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Concerning the lack of discussion about more modern bands, be it of age or in sound, I'm sort of curious if there's this kind of aesthetic generation gap thing some of the older posters here experience with newer music styles from beyond some cutoff point in the 1980s or 1990s? I'm from 1988 and there's very little music before the mid-1960s I listen to. Even then, a lot of stuff from the 1970s and even the 1980s I don't think really resonates with me the way it does with older audiences. I wonder if some people here are feeling a similar disconnect but from the other end of the line. ------------- "The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook |
Posted By: Rick Robson
Date Posted: October 11 2014 at 15:28
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^By the way what was the kind of rock played in Europe (especially in UK) until the mid-1960s? Let's just put The Beatles apart, because I think their career began even some years before, maybe their first release was in the year 1961 or '62, am I wrong? ------------- "Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy." LvB |
Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: October 11 2014 at 15:41
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I'm referring to the US stuff too, as well as a pre-rock'n'roll American music. (you know the stuff Tom Waits likes to pastiche, I remember him saying something about how he thinks the Beatles "killed rock music")
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Posted By: maxsmusic
Date Posted: October 11 2014 at 15:54
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Rock music has changed greatly since the Beatles commanded the pop charts and media attention. It is now fractured into a thousand different varieties of sub-tractions and things we were. We are re-arranged. All the things we were are deranged. I like "No-Man." So go get into your muse and let the music light your fuse. |
Posted By: Jzrk
Date Posted: October 11 2014 at 22:11
| Passport one of my all time favs although never saw them.Dont know if they played in my area back in the day |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: October 14 2014 at 14:40
We'll have to ask George Miller if he has any new ideas for the cars that ate Paris, and if we will have a film made again about some road warrior in time!
This is good already ... I do wish that we made some small changes so that a post with 300 pages is not lost or wasted, and that there was a better link between the interviews and other information on the website, which gets wasted. These links are hiding a lot of information that would really help create the interviews and other information, some of the best on the internet and help make Wiki the stupid and poor idea and work that it is! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |