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Topic: Who Was the Most Prog Beatle?Posted By: SteveG
Subject: Who Was the Most Prog Beatle?
Date Posted: September 25 2014 at 19:09
Who was the most "Prog" Beatle?
Replies: Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: September 25 2014 at 19:33
Yeah, George.
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: September 25 2014 at 19:34
^ Yep, Blue Jay Way, man
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Posted By: Michael678
Date Posted: September 25 2014 at 20:17
probably gonna go John on this one.
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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: September 25 2014 at 20:50
Paul, definitely. He was the only guy in the group really into the idea of concepts and suites.
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: September 26 2014 at 03:58
George with John as second. George was the one who introduced some Indo-elements and Here Comes the Sun has some time signature changes.
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Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: September 26 2014 at 09:16
someone_else wrote:
George with John as second. George was the one who introduced some Indo-elements and Here Comes the Sun has some time signature changes.
This. Don't know exactly why I voted George except for the Indo elements.
Posted By: Friday13th
Date Posted: September 26 2014 at 09:19
lol Ringo and John are tied
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: September 26 2014 at 09:21
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Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: September 26 2014 at 10:22
John's Tomorrow Never Knows pretty much put this thread into effect, din'nen' it.
Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: September 26 2014 at 13:22
George should be in proto-fusion-related.
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: September 26 2014 at 18:50
Probably equally Paul and George I'd say. John wasn't too bad in the Beatles, but his solo stuff does diddly-squat for me....
.......and Ringo, well, at least he hooked up with Barbara Bach.......
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: September 26 2014 at 23:39
Paul, for me! Also he came up with very silly song titles which I love
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: September 27 2014 at 03:13
None of the above.
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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: September 27 2014 at 04:02
Dean wrote:
None of the above.
Party pooper
Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: September 27 2014 at 04:41
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: September 27 2014 at 05:08
Kati wrote:
Dean wrote:
None of the above.
Party pooper
Often called the 5th Beatle we all know the influence George Martin had on the Beatles recordings but we tend to overlook that he was a composer and musician. That piece of electronic music, (later recorded by an orchestra and later still by a little known Prog band by the name of Van der Graaf Generator), contains everything he brought to that party to the extent that it actually sounds like a collage of dozens of Beatles records - there's bits of Revolver in there, bits of Sgt Pepper, bits of Magical Mystery Tour - the trumpet refrain, the sawing cellos, the organ crescendo, were all musical touches that Martin the musician introduced into those Beatles tunes that lifted them above the ordinary. To me, Martin with the Beatles was like Wakeman with Yes: Anderson, Squire & Howe had the tunes and the ideas, but it was Wakeman that brought those disparate ideas together with his musician's touch and expertise. John, Paul & George had the tunes and the ideas, but it was Martin that brought those ideas together because he was a musician as much as he was a producer - he made the Beatles sound "proggy" (for want of a better word).
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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: September 27 2014 at 05:15
Dean wrote:
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Kati wrote:
Dean wrote:
None of the above.</span><div style="line-height: 14.3999996185303px;"><div style="line-height: 14.3999996185303px;"><span style="line-height: 14.3999996185303px;">
</span><div style="line-height: 14.3999996185303px;">Often called the 5th Beatle we all know the influence George Martin had on the Beatles recordings but we tend to overlook that he was a composer and musician. That piece of electronic music, (later recorded by an orchestra and later still by a little known Prog band by the name of Van der Graaf Generator), contains everything he brought to that party to the extent that it actually sounds like a collage of dozens of Beatles records - there's bits of Revolver in there, bits of Sgt Pepper, bits of Magical Mystery Tour - the trumpet refrain, the sawing cellos, the organ crescendo, were all musical touches that Martin the musician introduced into those Beatles tunes that lifted them above the ordinary. To me, Martin with the Beatles was like Wakeman with Yes: Anderson, Squire & Howe had the tunes and the ideas, but it was Wakeman that brought those disparate ideas together with his musician's touch and expertise. John, Paul & George had the tunes and the ideas, but it was Martin that brought those ideas together because he was a musician as much as he was a producer - he made the Beatles sound "proggy" (for want of a better word).
Martin was their last manager I think during Sargent Pepper etc. but even Paul McCartney himself has said, "If anyone was the fifth Beatle, it was Brian." Brian Epstein.
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: September 27 2014 at 05:21
I have 4 choices and picked McCartney if I had to pick another I'd pick Eric Clapton because my guitar gently weeps is classic! :) xxx
Posted By: Argonaught
Date Posted: September 27 2014 at 09:12
Kati wrote:
I have 4 choices and picked McCartney if I had to pick another I'd pick Eric Clapton because my guitar gently weeps is classic! :) xxx
Since Eric Clapton is now a Beatle and My Guitar Gently Weeps is prog, I'd propose to make this poll entirely freestyle
... let me try something .. would you describe this1987 Astrud Gilberto + James Last album as:
(1) Baiana-In-Exile prog
(2) Prog-related pop big band
(3) "Ai, ai, ai, que coisa louca" prog
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: September 27 2014 at 11:04
Argonaught wrote:
Kati wrote:
I have 4 choices and picked McCartney if I had to pick another I'd pick Eric Clapton because my guitar gently weeps is classic! :) xxx
<div style="line-height: 14.3999996185303px;"><span style="line-height: 14.3999996185303px;">Since Eric Clapton is now a Beatle and My Guitar Gently Weeps is prog, I'd propose to make this poll entirely freestyle </span>
<div style="line-height: 14.3999996185303px;"><span style="line-height: 14.3999996185303px;"></span><div style="line-height: 14.3999996185303px;"><span style="line-height: 14.3999996185303px;">... let me try something .. would you describe this1987 Astrud Gilberto + James Last album as: </span><div style="line-height: 14.3999996185303px;"><div style="line-height: 14.3999996185303px;">(1) Baiana-In-Exile prog<div style="line-height: 14.3999996185303px;">(2) Prog-related pop big band<div style="line-height: 14.3999996185303px;">(3) "Ai, ai, ai, que coisa louca" prog<div style="line-height: 14.3999996185303px;"><div style="line-height: 14.3999996185303px;">
hoh wait Argonaught, you are pushing it a bit far there hahaha! No one here is discussion how prog the Beatles are on this forum topic even if they were at the forefront in my opinion to be honest and Clapton in this topic makes perfect sense, however your freestyle is a bit too advanced here
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: September 27 2014 at 12:32
Dean wrote:
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Kati wrote:
Dean wrote:
None of the above.</span><div style="line-height: 14.3999996185303px;"><div style="line-height: 14.3999996185303px;"><span style="line-height: 14.3999996185303px;">
</span><div style="line-height: 14.3999996185303px;">Often called the 5th Beatle we all know the influence George Martin had on the Beatles recordings but we tend to overlook that he was a composer and musician. That piece of electronic music, (later recorded by an orchestra and later still by a little known Prog band by the name of Van der Graaf Generator), contains everything he brought to that party to the extent that it actually sounds like a collage of dozens of Beatles records - there's bits of Revolver in there, bits of Sgt Pepper, bits of Magical Mystery Tour - the trumpet refrain, the sawing cellos, the organ crescendo, were all musical touches that Martin the musician introduced into those Beatles tunes that lifted them above the ordinary. To me, Martin with the Beatles was like Wakeman with Yes: Anderson, Squire & Howe had the tunes and the ideas, but it was Wakeman that brought those disparate ideas together with his musician's touch and expertise. John, Paul & George had the tunes and the ideas, but it was Martin that brought those ideas together because he was a musician as much as he was a producer - he made the Beatles sound "proggy" (for want of a better word).
I disagree. Martin was actually the most Classical Beatle. The most Prog Beatle? The great Geoff Emerick. The Recording engineer and boy genius for both Revolver and Sgt. Pepper's and, unofficially, Abbey Road.
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: September 27 2014 at 13:01
he wasn't a musician and was never called "the 5th Beatle" (or 18th or whatever).
However, you're the exspurt, I concede the point.
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: September 27 2014 at 15:07
^Stu Sutcliffe, Brian Eptein and Billy Peston were also refered to as "The Fifth Beatle" at different times in the press. Time to add Geoff to the party.
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: September 27 2014 at 20:05
by the current reckoning that makes him the 39th Beatle.
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: September 28 2014 at 10:22
Dean wrote:
by the current reckoning that makes him the 39th Beatle.
With the inclusion of Revolver artist and close band friend from their Hamburg days Klaus Voorman (he was also referred to as the 5th Beatle) that would make Emerick No.6. But why split hairs?
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: September 28 2014 at 13:41
the 39th Beatle was a jest, following on from Mitch Benn's Fringe comedy routine...
Mitch Benn, Liverpudlian musical comedian, performed an Edinburgh Festival Fringe show entitled Mitch Benn is the 37th Beatle in which he counted up everyone claimed to be the fifth Beatle and tried to arrange them, "in descending order of Beatledom", including himself. This show was later performed on BBC Radio 4. The fifth Beatle on his list was Pete Best, with the rest of the list consisting of Stuart Sutcliffe (6th), Tony Sheridan (7th), the rest of the original Quarrymen (8th-12th), Andy White (13th), Jimmie Nicol (14th), Billy Preston (15th), Eric Clapton (16th), Brian Epstein (17th), George Martin (18th), Derek Taylor (19th), Mal Evans (20th), Neil Aspinall (21st), Badfinger (22nd-25th), Jeff Lynne (26th), Monty Python (27th-32nd), Neil Innes (33rd), David Catlin-Birch (34th), Neil Harrison (35th) and Elvis Costello (36th)
The point of the skit is that several people have been called the 5th Beatle but there was no 5th Beatle, the phrase I used was "Often called the 5th Beatle".
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: September 30 2014 at 06:34
George. To release albums like "Wonderwall Music" and "Electronic Sound" with its moog synthesizers... That's pretty progressive.
"All things must pass" was a triple album, also a proggy move, even though the songs were no prog.
But didn't Ringo compose something for ARP synthesizer?
All 4 have some amount of prog in them, I suppose.
But I vote for George.
Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: September 30 2014 at 11:24
Allthese "Who was the most...Beatle?" threads are useless and can pretty much answer themselves. I prefer the lads as just being who they were.
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: September 30 2014 at 11:43
^Have you noticed all of the different responses?
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Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: September 30 2014 at 17:52
Oh boy!
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: September 30 2014 at 18:34
^I'll take that as a no.
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Posted By: Intruder
Date Posted: October 09 2014 at 09:39
Yoko! Her early solo or Plastic Ono records should be filed under "Krautrock".
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: October 09 2014 at 09:43
Ringo was extremely prog.
Though Yoko Ono definitely should be in PA and in all prog rock and art pantheons:
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Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: October 09 2014 at 09:52
Intruder wrote:
Yoko! Her early solo or Plastic Ono records should be filed under "Krautrock".