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Topic: The Rush 'Synth Period' Thread
Posted By: Mirror Image
Subject: The Rush 'Synth Period' Thread
Date Posted: August 19 2014 at 21:12
The title of the thread says it all! Big smile Discuss your favorite tracks from Signals through Hold Your Fire. Your favorite Lifeson solos. Your favorite Neil Peart moments. Your favorite Geddy Lee bass parts. Anyway, you get the idea. Even though I love Hemispheres through Moving Pictures, it is Rush's 'synth period' that I enjoy more than any other period in the band's history. Many diehard Rush fans I've spoken with aren't particularly keen on this era, but when I pull out a Rush album, it's usually Signals through Hold Your Fire. I LOVE how Geddy was able to incorporate synthesizers into a trio format. It gave their sound-world more weight and made it fuller IMHO.

And one more thing: HAVE FUN! Let's keep the negativity to a minimum also. This isn't the thread to bash the band (for those that don't like the band) nor is it a thread designed to insult the other person. Let's keep this lively and peaceful. There's enough ugliness in this world, so please let's be kind to each other. We should also welcome contrasting opinions and different viewpoints.

Now with further ado Rush's Synth Period -













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Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: August 19 2014 at 21:42
I guess I'll get the ball rolling by saying that Power Windows may end up being my favorite Rush album of all-time. No joke. There's something truly special about this album. I'm still of the opinion that there's something deeper emotionally going on with Power Windows. I just think a song like Middletown Dreams has a lot of sadness to it, but it's ambiguously clothed in these kinds of forcefully valiant overtones, but the undertones, which seem to go unnoticed a lot of times in Rush's music I think, are of great anguish and I maybe a certain feeling of desperation. I just love this song so much and think it's one of the finest things they've put on record. Mystic Rhythms is also one these strange Rush songs that in the hands of any other band wouldn't work or sound right, but they just nail it. Ambient, atmospheric, but also heavily rhythmic, I can't think of any other song they've recorded that even sounds like it. 

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Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: August 19 2014 at 21:48
Originally posted by Mirror Image Mirror Image wrote:

The title of the thread says it all! Big smile Discuss your favorite tracks from Signals through Hold Your Fire. Your favorite Lifeson solos. Your favorite Neil Peart moments. Your favorite Geddy Lee bass parts. Anyway, you get the idea. Even though I love Hemispheres through Moving Pictures, it is Rush's 'synth period' that I enjoy more than any other period in the band's history. Many diehard Rush fans I've spoken with aren't particularly keen on this era, but when I pull out a Rush album, it's usually Signals through Hold Your Fire. I LOVE how Geddy was able to incorporate synthesizers into a trio format. It gave their sound-world more weight and made it fuller IMHO.

And one more thing: HAVE FUN! Let's keep the negativity to a minimum also. This isn't the thread to bash the band (for those that don't like the band) nor is it a thread designed to insult the other person. Let's keep this lively and peaceful. There's enough ugliness in this world, so please let's be kind to each other. We should also welcome contrasting opinions and different viewpoints.

Now with further ado Rush's Synth Period -












Approve Cool. I love the earlier period (A Farewell to Kings - Moving Pictures) perhaps a tiny bit more(but it's really really close LOL) Here are some of my favorite work from the Signals album:


I love that Geddy's vocals are getting better (really began with Per. Wa). I also love how he plays this little synth bit on Subdivisions(it furthers the band's sound in my opinion) and his bass playing is as good as always. From Alex, he's got some killer solos like on The Analog Kid and Digital Man. His guitar work is continuing to progress as he is adding different kinds of influences in the mix. The Professor is as steady as always as he plays right along with the boys.

 Fave from here: Subdivisions, The Analog Kid, Chemistry, New World Man, Losing It.


From Grace Under Pressure: 

The progression continues. We even get a little ska in here LOL Big smile. I love the lyrics on here though as they are a little more intense. The album has an intense feel behind it. 

Faves from here: Distant Early Warning, Afterimage, The Enemy Within, Body Electric, Between the Wheels. 

Power Windows:

 My personal fave from this era. I feel there is something special behind it. Some have even said that this may as well be the missing link between Yes and the Sex Pistols. The themes behind this one is also one that makes it stand out for me. The theme of power is a real big one. Geddy's keys go perfect with the rest of the music on the album.

Faves from here: The Big Money, Marathon, Territories, Middletown Dreams, Mystic Rhythms

Hold Your Fire: 

Not very many like this one on PA but to me it is just as good as their previous material with some classic stuff. The progression continues so much so that you forget that this band is a power trio of Heavy music. Great stuff. Classic Rush in my opinion.

Faves from here: Time Stand Still,Open Secrets, Second Nature, Lock & Key, Mission, Tai Shan.

Great period from Rush if you ask me. Clap



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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: August 19 2014 at 22:00
Signals is a great record, GUP not so much but surely has good moments, then Windows redeemed; you can hear Lifeson's solo style begin to make an evolution on Permanent Waves but it's not till Sig and GUP that he comes into his own as a stylist.  That squeaky post-Page stuff he was doing was getting dull.

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Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: August 19 2014 at 22:17
Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

Approve Cool. I love the earlier period (A Farewell to Kings - Moving Pictures) perhaps a tinny bit more(but it's really really close LOL) Here are some of my favorite work from the Signals album:


I love that Geddy's vocals are getting better (really began with Per. Wa). I also love how he plays this little synth bit on Subdivisions(it furthers the band's sound in my opinion) and his bass playing is as good as always. From Alex, he's got some killer solos like on The Analog Kid and Digital Man. His guitar work is continuing to progress as he is adding different kinds of influences in the mix. The Professor is as steady as always as he plays right along with the boys.

 Fave from here: Subdivisions, The Analog Kid, Chemistry, New World Man, Losing It.


From Grace Under Pressure: 

The progression continues. We even get a little ska in here LOL Big smile. I love the lyrics on here though as they are a little more intense. The album has an intense feel behind it. 

Faves from here: Distant Early Warning, Afterimage, The Enemy Within, Body Electric, Between the Wheels. 

Power Windows:

 My personal fave from this era. I feel there is something special behind it. Some have even said that this may as well be the missing link between Yes and the Sex Pistols. The themes behind this one is also one that makes it stand out for me. The theme of power is a real big one. Geddy's keys go perfect with the rest of the music on the album.

Faves from here: The Big Money, Marathon, Territories, Middletown Dreams, Mystic Rhythms

Hold Your Fire: 

Not very many like this one on PA but to me it is just as good as their previous material with some classic stuff. The progression continues so much so that you forget that this band is a power trio of Heavy music. Great stuff. Classic Rush in my opinion.

Faves from here: Time Stand Still,Open Secrets, Second Nature, Lock & Key, Mission, Tai Shan.

Great period from Rush if you ask me. Clap

Thumbs Up Glad to see you're such a big fan of this period as well. Rush are one of my favorites and if it wasn't for these particular albums, I probably wouldn't be as big of a fan, but I'm glad they went in this stylistic direction. In fact, I saw in an interview with Geddy that he wishes the band could have continued to evolve with the use of synthesizers, but Alex was getting rather tired of, in his own words, 'battling' for space with the keyboards. Truth be told, he never sounded better than he does on these albums. His style was jagged, unpredictable, edgy, spontaneous, and completely insane, but it worked with the music. Those moments when he solos the music just takes off into completely different realm, which shows the importance of his role in Rush. I often wonder how much of this or that is Geddy or Alex (they write all the music), but I've gathered that those moments that hoist the music out of the mechanical grind are Alex, but that highly structured and rhythmic complexity is Geddy. Personally, you can't have one without the other. They just made it work. Neil's role has always been the lyricist, but his drum parts are some of the most incredible of any prog drummer. He may not have much of a hand in the writing of the music, but his contributions to their music is substantial.


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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: August 19 2014 at 22:18
Hmmm...bunch of favs for me in that era. Power Windows is probably a tad higher for me than Signals. HYF is musical brilliance for me, almost not a "Rush" album. Its like they morphed into something else for one album, then came back

GUP is a gem for me, I went thru 2 cassette copies in my car just playing it almost daily for several yrs.

Geddy's vocals were really nice during this era, maturing. And today I really like his sound, unlike others of his age, he has done very well taking care of his throat.

Both Alex and Neal really developed into masterful musicians. Neal constantly pushing himself for better results.

A great era for Rush.

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Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: August 19 2014 at 22:21
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Signals is a great record, GUP not so much but surely has good moments, then Windows redeemed; you can hear Lifeson's solo style begin to make an evolution on Permanent Waves but it's not till Sig and GUP that he comes into his own as a stylist.  That squeaky post-Page stuff he was doing was getting dull.

Yeah, I wasn't a fan of early Rush and never understood the attraction to be honest. Hemispheres is where things start picking up for me. Anyway, Signals is an amazing record. Subdivisions completely sets up the tone for the entire album. I honestly love every track on this album. Personal favorites are Subdivisions, The Analog Kid, Chemistry, The Weapon, and Losing It. To be even more honest, there's not a weak moment in their 'synth period' for me, but I may be a little biased here. Wink


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Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: August 19 2014 at 22:30
Originally posted by Mirror Image Mirror Image wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Signals is a great record, GUP not so much but surely has good moments, then Windows redeemed; you can hear Lifeson's solo style begin to make an evolution on Permanent Waves but it's not till Sig and GUP that he comes into his own as a stylist.  That squeaky post-Page stuff he was doing was getting dull.

Yeah, I wasn't a fan of early Rush and never understood the attraction to be honest. Hemispheres is where things start picking up for me. Anyway, Signals is an amazing record. Subdivisions completely sets up the tone for the entire album. I honestly love every track on this album. Personal favorites are Subdivisions, The Analog Kid, Chemistry, The Weapon, and Losing It. To be even more honest, there's not a weak moment in their 'synth period' for me, but I may be a little biased here. Wink

Just out of curiosity what is it about the earlier period that you don't really like?LOL


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Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: August 19 2014 at 22:34
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Hmmm...bunch of favs for me in that era. Power Windows is probably a tad higher for me than Signals. HYF is musical brilliance for me, almost not a "Rush" album. Its like they morphed into something else for one album, then came back

GUP is a gem for me, I went thru 2 cassette copies in my car just playing it almost daily for several yrs.

Geddy's vocals were really nice during this era, maturing. And today I really like his sound, unlike others of his age, he has done very well taking care of his throat.

Both Alex and Neal really developed into masterful musicians. Neal constantly pushing himself for better results.

A great era for Rush.

A great era indeed and one that permeates so much of my memory. Just when I think I think I have everything they wrote during period memorized, there's another layer in all of these songs that presents itself that I didn't quite hear before and this is what of love about this time in their history. The music is more textural but they still have managed to remain a bit edgy and rhythmically driven.

I agree that Geddy's vocals are very good during this period. Quite melodic and he even takes some chances vocally that worked incredibly well like Middletown Dreams for example where towards the last go-around with the chorus he sings "Dreams transport desires, drive you when your down." I literally get goosebumps when he makes that vocal leap on when he says "drive you when your down." Absolutely sublime.

I love all the albums during this period. I shouldn't have tried singling out Power Windows, because I think their all very strong musically. 


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Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: August 19 2014 at 22:37
Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

Originally posted by Mirror Image Mirror Image wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Signals is a great record, GUP not so much but surely has good moments, then Windows redeemed; you can hear Lifeson's solo style begin to make an evolution on Permanent Waves but it's not till Sig and GUP that he comes into his own as a stylist.  That squeaky post-Page stuff he was doing was getting dull.

Yeah, I wasn't a fan of early Rush and never understood the attraction to be honest. Hemispheres is where things start picking up for me. Anyway, Signals is an amazing record. Subdivisions completely sets up the tone for the entire album. I honestly love every track on this album. Personal favorites are Subdivisions, The Analog Kid, Chemistry, The Weapon, and Losing It. To be even more honest, there's not a weak moment in their 'synth period' for me, but I may be a little biased here. Wink

Just out of curiosity what is it about the earlier period that you don't really like?LOL

The main thing is the rather emptiness of the trio format. By the time 2112 was released, however, the usage of keyboards started to evolve. Of course, they didn't have as much importance during this time as they later did. The music itself also just didn't really grab me. Rhythmically they were outstanding at this time, but I still wasn't completely onboard with what they were doing harmonically. Again, this started to change for me on Hemispheres when the music started becoming more complicated.


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Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: August 19 2014 at 22:42
^^ But, Kings is a great record too with the development really showing up

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Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: August 19 2014 at 22:44
Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

^^ But, Kings is a great record too with the development really showing up

I do enjoy some of Farewell To Kings. I suppose I could say I enjoy this album more than anything prior they have released.


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Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: August 19 2014 at 22:55
Oh and if you guys couldn't tell already Alex Lifeson is one of my absolute favorite guitarists along with David Gilmour and Steve Hackett. Cool

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Posted By: fudgenuts64
Date Posted: August 20 2014 at 00:11
I love Power Windows! Marathon gives me goosebumps!

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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: August 20 2014 at 00:52
Power Windows was the album I hoped ELP would make in the 80's. Peter Collins production is very BIG! One to stick on and play extra loud.

However the synth period really evolved from Permanent Waves onwards when you think of Jacob's Ladder especially. By the time of Hold You Fire it was becoming a bit tired to me although Force Ten is a great track and one of Rush best.. I also love Signals of course which was very inventive and varied. Grace is okay but didn't quite float my boat as much. 


Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: August 20 2014 at 00:55
The synth period of the band produced some amazing songs. I've come to regard Hold your Fire as the last great Rush album, with a brief later return to form with Counterparts.

Favoruite songs from the synth period:
Subdivisions
Analog Kid
Losing it
Afterimage
The Body Electric
Between the wheels
Big Money
Manhatten Project
Force Ten
Time Stand still
Open Secrets

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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: August 20 2014 at 02:45
I consider Moving Pictures the start of their synth period. The synth riff in "Tom Sawyer," the symphonic synth in "Witch Hunt" that blended perfectly with Alex's guitar chords, and the sequencers in "The Camera Eye" and "Vital Signs" added a whole new dimension to their sound.

On top of that, they gave us many of their best, most melodic songs; Geddy's vocals were peaking and he also ramped up his bass playing a few notches; Neil's drumming was off the hook (and definitely influenced by Stewart Copeland, which I liked); and Alex's solo in "Limelight" is a candidate for his best ever.

Signals was/is my favorite Rush album, for a very long time, but I like GUP no less: the first half is one of the best sides of an album I've ever heard from a trio or any band. Of course, Power Windows is another phenomenal album. Certainly we're all in agreement here.

Hold Your Fire could have been another top album, but the production watered down the guitars and muddied the bass. The vocals were recorded well enough, but some of the songwriting wasn't up to the standard of the previous four albums. It's still a solid album, but the last couple songs and portions of "Prime Mover" and "Mission" could have been more inventive.

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Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: August 20 2014 at 06:24
Originally posted by Mirror Image Mirror Image wrote:

I guess I'll get the ball rolling by saying that Power Windows may end up being my favorite Rush album of all-time. No joke. There's something truly special about this album. I'm still of the opinion that there's something deeper emotionally going on with Power Windows. I just think a song like Middletown Dreams has a lot of sadness to it, but it's ambiguously clothed in these kinds of forcefully valiant overtones, but the undertones, which seem to go unnoticed a lot of times in Rush's music I think, are of great anguish and I maybe a certain feeling of desperation. I just love this song so much and think it's one of the finest things they've put on record. Mystic Rhythms is also one these strange Rush songs that in the hands of any other band wouldn't work or sound right, but they just nail it. Ambient, atmospheric, but also heavily rhythmic, I can't think of any other song they've recorded that even sounds like it. 

Couldn't agree more. Power Windows is hands down, my favorite post Moving Pictures album. 

The three album block of PW, HyF, and Presto really scratches an itch for me. Love that stuff.

It's hard to compare those records with what came earlier because they are so different. I will always love Caress, and Hemispheres, and Farewell to Kings, and Permanent Waves as much if not more, but for different reasons.


Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: August 20 2014 at 06:32
My favorite songs from Signals through Hold Your Fire include

Subdivisions
Analog Kid
Digital Man
Losing It (very underrated Rush song) Why they didn't play this on the Clockwork Angels tour I don't know. It would have been a perfect song to play with those string musicians as backup)
Between The Wheels
Emotion Detector
Mystic Rhythms (I could easily list all PW songs, sans Big Money)
Time Stand Still
High Water





Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: August 20 2014 at 07:04
Signals is my favourite album of these four.
Best songs: Losing It and The Weapon.

Grace under Pressure: Red Lenses and Distant Early Warning.

Power Windows: The Big Money and Mystic Rhythms.

Hold Your Fire (my second favourite of these): Second Nature, Force Ten and Mission.



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Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: August 20 2014 at 09:30
It's certainly gratifying to see all the love for these albums. I think the band reached their peak around Power Windows and while I love Hold Your Fire, I will freely admit that it's the weakest link of this period. I think the worst song on that album is Second Nature. I almost always skip that one whereas I'll play Signals through Power Windows all the way through.

Zombi mentioned that Moving Pictures was actually the start of their 'synth period' and while I wouldn't disagree in some respects to his points, I think it can't be counted as a synth album for the simple fact that on many of the songs the keyboards were just an added layer and not an integral part of the music. I'm thinking mainly of Red Barchetta, Limelight, and YYZ. A lot of Moving Pictures is guitar-dominated with just that extra layer of keyboards whereas on Signals the keyboards were fully integrated into the sound of the band.


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Posted By: KingCrInuYasha
Date Posted: August 20 2014 at 09:37
I love Signals, but found Grace Under Pressure and Power Windows to be disappointing, though I'm willing to give them another shot (and by PW on CD to do it; I only have it on cassette).


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Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: August 20 2014 at 09:40
Originally posted by KingCrInuYasha KingCrInuYasha wrote:

I love Signals, but found Grace Under Pressure and Power Windows to be disappointing, though I'm willing to give them another shot (and by PW on CD to do it; I only have it on cassette).

You don't have Power Windows on CD? Hmmm...get the 1997 remaster. Bob Ludwig did a fantastic job with the remaster. Anyway, how long has it been since you heard Grace Under Pressure and Power Windows?


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Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: August 20 2014 at 10:37
I thought the "synth" period was their most creative. I don't exactly agree with the two albums suggested to bookend this time, but that's being negative. I really liked guest star Ben Mink's (FM) violin solo on Signal's Losing It. I prefer the subsequent album's (Grace Under Pressure) synth content more though.


Posted By: Metalmarsh89
Date Posted: August 20 2014 at 10:45
I know people talk about Vital Signs from Moving Pictures as a song that doesn't quite fit. I see it as a transition. It seems to foreshadow the style we would later see on Signals and the next few records. Also, the lyrics talking about "elevating" and "deviating" from the norm are just another clue. The idea of not continuing to release the same kind of music, but continuing to experiment and dabble in other styles. I haven't a clue if they did this on purpose, but Rush is perfectly capable of accomplishing something like.

My favorites would be listed in such order: Power Windows, Signals, Grace under Pressure, Hold Your Fire

Power Windows - This is easily my favorite record from this era, and one of my favorite Rush records overall. I think they hit the perfect combination of styles from their respective instruments and meshed them brilliantly. Geddy's bass gallops all over the frickin' place, and is just beautiful to hear. The Big Money is one of their most high energy songs from front to back, and while the pace isn't always matched throughout the album, the beauty and energy come through in different forms. Neal's lyrics are as witty as ever, and Geddy sings them in prime form. Marathon hits me a little on an emotional level being a long distance runner myself. The rhythms and power Neal offers on Territories and Mystic Rhythms are some of his best. It just seems like every single instrument plays lead on this album, but rather than being messy, it's graceful and powerful. Tbh, I don't pay much attention to Alex's solos on this album, because I get lost in everything else. My favorite song from this one would be Territories.

Signals - This was the first Rush album I fell in love with. It dropped off my radar for a little while, but has recently resurfaced. Subdivisions resonates with me, being one of those kids that grew up in the suburbs. The synth opener and the guitar on top of it make it seem a bit dark, which it certainly is, but the album does lighten for a little bit. The Analog Kid has some of my favorite guitar work from Alex, both in riffs he jams in around the verses, and that great solo he plays later on. And then there's The Weapon. Easily my favorite on this album, Neal's drums and Geddy's synths carry a really exciting rhythm throughout the song, and again, Neal sounds so powerful and wonderful. Alex shines through on guitar yet again. Some other songs I enjoy are New World Man (there highest ranking on the billboard I believe) and Losing It, especially the lyrics.

Grace under Pressure - Another dark album from the Canadian trio in terms of subject matter, I used to call it my favorite. I still quite like it, but just find it a tad less exciting than the other two. With some spectacular moments, such as Afterimage and Between the Wheels it doesn't fail to be great. But there are also some less inspiring moments like Red Lenses. I wouldn't call it weak, but I don't believe there is a weak song in this era. Every album in this period seems to have one song that is different, and this is the one on this album. I do know that Kid Gloves tends to turn off some people, but I find it catchy and fun. Between the Wheels is fantastic though. Alex sounds so powerful on guitar, and sets the tone right off the bat. This I enjoy very much.

Hold Your Fire - This album has a certain beauty that the rest of them lack. The pace slowed down quite a bit, and Alex's guitar seems to take a back seat to Geddy's keys and vocals. This is particularly evident on Second Nature. Even Neal sounds a bit subdued on this album. It's not to say they don't have their moments, but it's a drastic change from Power Windows, but that's to be expected from Rush. Still this is one of their most beautiful albums (behind Presto, I believe), and for this reason, I need the right situation to listen to it. The other three from this era I can put on and enjoy more easily. I don't have one particular favorite from this album, but ones I enjoy the most are Force Ten, Time Stand Still, and High Water.

Lol, I think I got carried away a bit writing about these albums. Maybe I should write some actual reviews. LOL


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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: August 20 2014 at 10:46
When it comes to this period, there is one album in particular that i need to praise - Hold Your Fire. 

I put this album among their best albums, and find it vastly underrated. Of course it's not some revolutionary progressive record but it has something that many Rush records lack in certain places, warmth. Rush is one of my favorite bands, and by far the most influential band to my listening, but something some of their records lack is this warmth.

Hold Your Fire is filled with this sense of intimacy or connection. Geddy's voice sounds perfect, his melodies along with some of Neil's best lyrics is probably the big reason why, but also the guitars' tones. The musicianship is still top notch, and will soon decline unfortunately. 

Love this album - not sure what else to say. 

Favorite songs: Mission, Force Ten, Turn the Page, Prime Mover.


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Posted By: planetwhale71
Date Posted: August 20 2014 at 11:55
I personally enjoyed the era of Rush between All The World's a Stage (ya, it's a performance of their mostly early work, but it has such a live "punch" to it) and Moving Pictures. As a 'guitar' guy, I thought that the saturation of synthesizer in Rush albums was indicative the synthetic times of the 1980's. But hey (!), those releases are still pretty damn exceptional and as I grew older, I became more fond of Rush's '80s and '90s material. Oh, and Countdown from Signals is absolutely ClapClapClap!

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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: August 20 2014 at 12:02
Originally posted by Horizons Horizons wrote:

When it comes to this period, there is one album in particular that i need to praise - Hold Your Fire. 

I put this album among their best albums, and find it vastly underrated. Of course it's not some revolutionary progressive record but it has something that many Rush records lack in certain places, warmth. Rush is one of my favorite bands, and by far the most influential band to my listening, but something some of their records lack is this warmth.

Hold Your Fire is filled with this sense of intimacy or connection. Geddy's voice sounds perfect, his melodies along with some of Neil's best lyrics is probably the big reason why, but also the guitars' tones. The musicianship is still top notch, and will soon decline unfortunately. 

Love this album - not sure what else to say. 

Favorite songs: Mission, Force Ten, Turn the Page, Prime Mover.
Well said, I agree fully.  It took a few years to sink in, but now I place it among my favorites too.


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Posted By: steve j
Date Posted: August 20 2014 at 12:06
Signals to me was a massive shock to the system.  It didn't work for me back then, and I shunned it for a while.  After some time I learnt to love it.  I love the fear trilogy from three separate albums - Witch-hunt - The Weapon - The Enemy Within;  from Moving Pictures, Signals and GUP respectively.  My favourite album is Hold your Fire - the 4 central tracks after the two commercial tracks are just fantastic both lyrically and musically, I am really surprised that more people don't like it, but its Rush.  Its a great period, and I would put Presto in this period, some wonderful tracks on there too.


Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: August 20 2014 at 13:12
Originally posted by Mirror Image Mirror Image wrote:

Zombi mentioned that Moving Pictures was actually the start of their 'synth period' and while I wouldn't disagree in some respects to his points, I think it can't be counted as a synth album for the simple fact that on many of the songs the keyboards were just an added layer and not an integral part of the music. I'm thinking mainly of Red Barchetta, Limelight, and YYZ. A lot of Moving Pictures is guitar-dominated with just that extra layer of keyboards whereas on Signals the keyboards were fully integrated into the sound of the band.


It's easier to count Signals through HYF because of the "four studio-one live" formula Rush followed all the way up through T4E. When you hear the synths open up "The Camera Eye" and the sequencer literally propels "Vital Signs," while Geddy's keyboard riff is the single most identifiable, hummable aspect of "Tom Sawyer" (along with the lyrics), it's clearly the beginning of Rush embracing keyboards. These songs sound alien (in a good way) compared to anything on Permanent Waves. It's just nitpicking, though.

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Posted By: zappaholic
Date Posted: August 20 2014 at 17:25
Glad to see the love for Power Windows.  I've long considered it Rush's most underrated album.  Tracks 1 thru 5 are excellent.  "Middletown Dreams" and "Mystic Rhythms" aren't my favorites but they can hold their own.  Only "Emotion Detector" is sub-par.

For some reason I haven't been able to get into Signals as much.  There's great songs on it but somehow as a whole it lacks a certain something.



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Posted By: KingCrInuYasha
Date Posted: August 20 2014 at 18:03
Originally posted by Mirror Image Mirror Image wrote:

 

You don't have Power Windows on CD? Hmmm...get the 1997 remaster. Bob Ludwig did a fantastic job with the remaster. Anyway, how long has it been since you heard Grace Under Pressure and Power Windows?

A couple of months ago. I got Grace from my local CD shop and Windows from my local Goodwill.


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Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: August 20 2014 at 20:27
Originally posted by KingCrInuYasha KingCrInuYasha wrote:

Originally posted by Mirror Image Mirror Image wrote:

 

You don't have Power Windows on CD? Hmmm...get the 1997 remaster. Bob Ludwig did a fantastic job with the remaster. Anyway, how long has it been since you heard Grace Under Pressure and Power Windows?

A couple of months ago. I got Grace from my local CD shop and Windows from my local Goodwill.

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Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: August 20 2014 at 20:30
Originally posted by Metalmarsh89 Metalmarsh89 wrote:

I know people talk about Vital Signs from Moving Pictures as a song that doesn't quite fit. I see it as a transition. It seems to foreshadow the style we would later see on Signals and the next few records. Also, the lyrics talking about "elevating" and "deviating" from the norm are just another clue. The idea of not continuing to release the same kind of music, but continuing to experiment and dabble in other styles. I haven't a clue if they did this on purpose, but Rush is perfectly capable of accomplishing something like.

My favorites would be listed in such order: Power Windows, Signals, Grace under Pressure, Hold Your Fire

Power Windows - This is easily my favorite record from this era, and one of my favorite Rush records overall. I think they hit the perfect combination of styles from their respective instruments and meshed them brilliantly. Geddy's bass gallops all over the frickin' place, and is just beautiful to hear. The Big Money is one of their most high energy songs from front to back, and while the pace isn't always matched throughout the album, the beauty and energy come through in different forms. Neal's lyrics are as witty as ever, and Geddy sings them in prime form. Marathon hits me a little on an emotional level being a long distance runner myself. The rhythms and power Neal offers on Territories and Mystic Rhythms are some of his best. It just seems like every single instrument plays lead on this album, but rather than being messy, it's graceful and powerful. Tbh, I don't pay much attention to Alex's solos on this album, because I get lost in everything else. My favorite song from this one would be Territories.

Signals - This was the first Rush album I fell in love with. It dropped off my radar for a little while, but has recently resurfaced. Subdivisions resonates with me, being one of those kids that grew up in the suburbs. The synth opener and the guitar on top of it make it seem a bit dark, which it certainly is, but the album does lighten for a little bit. The Analog Kid has some of my favorite guitar work from Alex, both in riffs he jams in around the verses, and that great solo he plays later on. And then there's The Weapon. Easily my favorite on this album, Neal's drums and Geddy's synths carry a really exciting rhythm throughout the song, and again, Neal sounds so powerful and wonderful. Alex shines through on guitar yet again. Some other songs I enjoy are New World Man (there highest ranking on the billboard I believe) and Losing It, especially the lyrics.

Grace under Pressure - Another dark album from the Canadian trio in terms of subject matter, I used to call it my favorite. I still quite like it, but just find it a tad less exciting than the other two. With some spectacular moments, such as Afterimage and Between the Wheels it doesn't fail to be great. But there are also some less inspiring moments like Red Lenses. I wouldn't call it weak, but I don't believe there is a weak song in this era. Every album in this period seems to have one song that is different, and this is the one on this album. I do know that Kid Gloves tends to turn off some people, but I find it catchy and fun. Between the Wheels is fantastic though. Alex sounds so powerful on guitar, and sets the tone right off the bat. This I enjoy very much.

Hold Your Fire - This album has a certain beauty that the rest of them lack. The pace slowed down quite a bit, and Alex's guitar seems to take a back seat to Geddy's keys and vocals. This is particularly evident on Second Nature. Even Neal sounds a bit subdued on this album. It's not to say they don't have their moments, but it's a drastic change from Power Windows, but that's to be expected from Rush. Still this is one of their most beautiful albums (behind Presto, I believe), and for this reason, I need the right situation to listen to it. The other three from this era I can put on and enjoy more easily. I don't have one particular favorite from this album, but ones I enjoy the most are Force Ten, Time Stand Still, and High Water.

Lol, I think I got carried away a bit writing about these albums. Maybe I should write some actual reviews. LOL

Thanks for this detailed response. It's always great to read people's thoughts on this great period in Rush's history. Also, thanks to everyone else for their responses so far. Great reads!


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Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: August 20 2014 at 20:34
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by Mirror Image Mirror Image wrote:

Zombi mentioned that Moving Pictures was actually the start of their 'synth period' and while I wouldn't disagree in some respects to his points, I think it can't be counted as a synth album for the simple fact that on many of the songs the keyboards were just an added layer and not an integral part of the music. I'm thinking mainly of Red Barchetta, Limelight, and YYZ. A lot of Moving Pictures is guitar-dominated with just that extra layer of keyboards whereas on Signals the keyboards were fully integrated into the sound of the band.


It's easier to count Signals through HYF because of the "four studio-one live" formula Rush followed all the way up through T4E. When you hear the synths open up "The Camera Eye" and the sequencer literally propels "Vital Signs," while Geddy's keyboard riff is the single most identifiable, hummable aspect of "Tom Sawyer" (along with the lyrics), it's clearly the beginning of Rush embracing keyboards. These songs sound alien (in a good way) compared to anything on Permanent Waves. It's just nitpicking, though.

Again, some very strong points and ones that I don't necessarily disagree with, but my only quibble comes from hearing the actual transition from Moving Pictures to Signals. Like, for example, when the opening keyboard chords crash down in the introduction to Subdivisions, you're clearly in a different aural territory than what came before. The way the keyboard basically dominated that entire song makes me think that this is the start of a different period for the band. Moving Pictures is more of a transitional album IMHO.


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Posted By: Stereolab
Date Posted: August 21 2014 at 02:46
I have a guilty pleasure for Distant Early Warning. Perfect Cold War track!

I think my favorite overall from this period is Time Stand Still, partly for nostalgic reasons.



Posted By: menawati
Date Posted: August 21 2014 at 08:36
I would consciously rate classic period Rush (2112 to MP) as the best but I listen to Signals the most out of all their albums so I guess it is subconsciously my favourite. This is actually very odd because when I bought it as an impressionable 15 year old Rush fan I hated it so much I threw the record across the room.

Hold Your Fire is my other favourite from synth period and I have never really liked the subsequent albums very much apart from Counterparts and Clockwork Angels.


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Posted By: puma
Date Posted: August 21 2014 at 09:25
There's something about the loneliness of Subdivisions - nothing they wrote before that track had a similar mood to it. I love 80s Rush more because they developed as songwriters and interpreters, disregarding the instruments they used. Of course I'm a keyboardist so I love hearing good synths, but they could have gotten a 12-piece brass band in the 80s and it would still have shown their emotional and songwriting maturity in songs like Distant Early Warning, Mystic Rhythms, and some of the more moody stuff. And of course they still rocked! 80s versions of Moving Pictures and previous-era material sounds better than it ever had in the 70s! The only thing better than 80s Rush is 2014 Rush!


Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: August 21 2014 at 20:27
Originally posted by puma puma wrote:

There's something about the loneliness of Subdivisions - nothing they wrote before that track had a similar mood to it. I love 80s Rush more because they developed as songwriters and interpreters, disregarding the instruments they used. Of course I'm a keyboardist so I love hearing good synths, but they could have gotten a 12-piece brass band in the 80s and it would still have shown their emotional and songwriting maturity in songs like Distant Early Warning, Mystic Rhythms, and some of the more moody stuff. And of course they still rocked! 80s versions of Moving Pictures and previous-era material sounds better than it ever had in the 70s! The only thing better than 80s Rush is 2014 Rush!

Yes, I picked on the same feeling you did in Subdivisions, but also a feeling of isolation and even desperation. All these songs you mentioned are first-rate, quintessential Rush.


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Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: August 21 2014 at 20:29
Originally posted by menawati menawati wrote:

I would consciously rate classic period Rush (2112 to MP) as the best but I listen to Signals the most out of all their albums so I guess it is subconsciously my favourite. This is actually very odd because when I bought it as an impressionable 15 year old Rush fan I hated it so much I threw the record across the room.

Hold Your Fire is my other favourite from synth period and I have never really liked the subsequent albums very much apart from Counterparts and Clockwork Angels.

Isn't it amusing how an album we disliked so many years ago end up becoming favorites? I definitely felt this way about Power Windows, but become a favorite of mine this year and this was a simple matter of musical growth as a listener. I can appreciate things much more now for what they are and not for what the music tries or tries not to be.


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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: August 21 2014 at 20:34
I still don't understand how CA can be accepted as a good Rush album, that's another thread though. 
Ermm

I could never get into GUP from that period. Second place would certainly be Signals though. Let's be real here: Subdivisions is a complete anthem. 


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Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: August 21 2014 at 20:38
Originally posted by Horizons Horizons wrote:

I still don't understand how CA can be accepted as a good Rush album, that's another thread though. 
Ermm

I could never get into GUP from that period. Second place would certainly be Signals though. Let's be real here: Subdivisions is a complete anthem. 

I don't listen to any Rush post-Hold Your Fire. I think they lost a lot of magic when the keyboards no longer had an important role in the music. As I mentioned before, Geddy said he wished the band could have expanded on this direction, but Alex was getting pretty fed up with it all.

Personally, I love Grace. Killer album from start to finish. 


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Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: August 22 2014 at 08:43
Originally posted by Mirror Image Mirror Image wrote:

Originally posted by Horizons Horizons wrote:

I still don't understand how CA can be accepted as a good Rush album, that's another thread though. 
Ermm

I could never get into GUP from that period. Second place would certainly be Signals though. Let's be real here: Subdivisions is a complete anthem. 

I don't listen to any Rush post-Hold Your Fire. I think they lost a lot of magic when the keyboards no longer had an important role in the music. As I mentioned before, Geddy said he wished the band could have expanded on this direction, but Alex was getting pretty fed up with it all.

Personally, I love Grace. Killer album from start to finish. 

At the time, I welcomed their move away from synth. However, most of the albums post-HYF, (exception is presto) don't interest me as much as what came before. There is not one single album after Presto that I listen to in its entirety. They all have some great songs on them but as complete albums are not as interesting.  


Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: August 22 2014 at 09:54
Originally posted by Jeffro Jeffro wrote:

Originally posted by Mirror Image Mirror Image wrote:

Originally posted by Horizons Horizons wrote:

I still don't understand how CA can be accepted as a good Rush album, that's another thread though. 
Ermm

I could never get into GUP from that period. Second place would certainly be Signals though. Let's be real here: Subdivisions is a complete anthem. 

I don't listen to any Rush post-Hold Your Fire. I think they lost a lot of magic when the keyboards no longer had an important role in the music. As I mentioned before, Geddy said he wished the band could have expanded on this direction, but Alex was getting pretty fed up with it all.

Personally, I love Grace. Killer album from start to finish. 

At the time, I welcomed their move away from synth. However, most of the albums post-HYF, (exception is presto) don't interest me as much as what came before. There is not one single album after Presto that I listen to in its entirety. They are have some great songs on them but as complete albums are not as interesting.  

Yes, I suppose they reached a certain saturation point and the need to move away from the synthesizers was what needed to happen.


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Posted By: Hans il mercante
Date Posted: August 22 2014 at 10:25
Originally posted by Mirror Image Mirror Image wrote:

Originally posted by Jeffro Jeffro wrote:

Originally posted by Mirror Image Mirror Image wrote:

Originally posted by Horizons Horizons wrote:

I still don't understand how CA can be accepted as a good Rush album, that's another thread though. 
Ermm

I could never get into GUP from that period. Second place would certainly be Signals though. Let's be real here: Subdivisions is a complete anthem. 

I don't listen to any Rush post-Hold Your Fire. I think they lost a lot of magic when the keyboards no longer had an important role in the music. As I mentioned before, Geddy said he wished the band could have expanded on this direction, but Alex was getting pretty fed up with it all.

Personally, I love Grace. Killer album from start to finish. 

At the time, I welcomed their move away from synth. However, most of the albums post-HYF, (exception is presto) don't interest me as much as what came before. There is not one single album after Presto that I listen to in its entirety. They are have some great songs on them but as complete albums are not as interesting.  

Yes, I suppose they reached a certain saturation point and the need to move away from the synthesizers was what needed to happen.

I read an Inteview where Geddy said that they where writting songs like machines, no feeling at all, they went back to basics to feel the music grow again.


Posted By: Hans il mercante
Date Posted: August 22 2014 at 11:05
I am one of those who love all Rush, there's hard for me to pick a favorite era, it changes with my mood, but I remember seeing for the first time the Grace under pressure tour on laser disc (yes, I am that old), it was so great, the enemy within sounded so alive, so real, and even today, I put on my cd of that tour and the feeling is still there, that song live is way better than the studio version, at least for me.

From Signals, The analog kid, the weapon drums and Losing it.

Afterimage from GUP is one of my fav, let's think a bit... Between the wheels, the rhythm section is out of this world, hard not to air drum that song,  The bass line on The Enemy Within (the closing section brings shivers down my spine).

From Power windows, the lyrics of Middletown dreams, you need to understand that I was a teenager by the time I meet Rush, so the lyrics where a really important part of the product, and even on the cover you could see that he was talking to us at that time.

From HYF,  the lyrics of Open secrets, and the bass on Prime mover, well really of the whole album, a special album for my teen years.

Can we have a discussion about each album individualy?, that sounds like fun, starting from the very first one, who's going to start it?


Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: August 22 2014 at 12:02
Originally posted by Hans il mercante Hans il mercante wrote:

I am one of those who love all Rush, there's hard for me to pick a favorite era, it changes with my mood, but I remember seeing for the first time the Grace under pressure tour on laser disc (yes, I am that old), it was so great, the enemy within sounded so alive, so real, and even today, I put on my cd of that tour and the feeling is still there, that song live is way better than the studio version, at least for me.

That's a relief. I thought I was old for having A Show of Hands on VHS Wink


Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: August 22 2014 at 13:19
Originally posted by Hans il mercante Hans il mercante wrote:

Afterimage from GUP is one of my fav, let's think a bit... Between the wheels, the rhythm section is out of this world, hard not to air drum that song,  The bass line on The Enemy Within (the closing section brings shivers down my spine).


"Afterimage" and "Between the Wheels" alone make Grace Under Pressure worth the price of admission, and "The Enemy Within" is incredible. Indeed, Geddy's bassline is a tasty one, and to think the guy sings a lead vocal over it demonstrates the level that Rush works at.

Which is why I wasn't too thrilled with many of the basslines on Presto and RTB, and the good ones still didn't pop because the production of those albums made thems feel lighter than the '80s albums.

I listened to Clockwork Angels this morning (with a good bit of volume, of course), and it must be reiterated that the production and playing on the album are what I expect of Rush. They really came back with a vengeance starting with Vapor Trails. Geddy's bass intro to "Seven Cities of Gold" is one of his best in the history of the band.

To put it mildly, they've still got it!

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Posted By: Hans il mercante
Date Posted: August 22 2014 at 13:27
Hehe, well, I still got that one on VHS somewhere, plus, Chronicles, I got to find them, even tough I don't have a VCR anymore.


Posted By: Hans il mercante
Date Posted: August 22 2014 at 13:39
I got to say that CAngels is not my all time fav, but it wakes strong emotions of days passed, they without a doubt show the world that they still can make good music in a very modern way (if you know what I mean).

I got a very particular way of seeing this album, I bought it when it came out, the strange part is that I was getting this similarity with the Candide by Voltaire (witch is by the way one of my fav books, highly recommended), that album has that WOW effect thanks to it, It was a very pleasing surprise, I was totally unaware of that when I bought the latest album of my favorite band. Only by that, it deserves to be among the ones that I like the most.


Posted By: Michael678
Date Posted: August 22 2014 at 14:42
Favorites tracks:
Signals (favorite album of period btw) - Subdivisions, Chemistry, Digital Man (the fill that starts it is killer)
Grace Under Pressure - Afterimage, Red Sector A
Power Windows - Marathon, Mystic Rhythms
Hold Your Fire (least favorite) - Force Ten, Time Stand Still, Mission (only songs i know from it actually lol)


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Posted By: Hans il mercante
Date Posted: August 22 2014 at 15:37
Are we going to open the Rush appreciation threat?, c´mon, we got a lot of albums to talk about.


Posted By: rdtprog
Date Posted: August 22 2014 at 15:55
Originally posted by Hans il mercante Hans il mercante wrote:

Are we going to open the Rush appreciation threat?, c´mon, we got a lot of albums to talk about.


Rush thread never last too long, here it's Genesis, Yes, Flower Kings and IQ


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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: August 22 2014 at 16:18
I love that period of Rush, all the four albums, Power Windows is probably my favourite of the lot but by a small margin, I found Grace Under Pressure and Hold Your Fire brilliant right from the first listens. Signals was the one which took me a bit longer to love in the same measure but eventually it earned all my praise as well.

I discovered Rush with A Farewell To Kings, followed by Caress Of Steel, 2112 and Hemispheres (and then their two first albums which did not convince me to the same level), and obviously I fell in love with all of them. Then Permanent Waves and Moving Pictures were the icing on the cake.

I guess that the change of style of Signals took me a while to digest and that's why for some time I put that album a bit on hold, considering it as a step down for the mighty Rush. Only when with the later Grace Under Pressure and Power Windows I got used to that new direction and I gave Signals a new chance I realised how good an album it was, even if it was much more modern-sounding than its predecessors.

We all know that classic Rush can be divided in periods of 4 studio albums. I definitely like this period more than their 1st period from self-titled to 2112. If you ask me if I like it more than the 2nd period (A Farewell To Kings to Moving Pictures) then it's a much harder question to answer though.


Posted By: Metalmarsh89
Date Posted: August 22 2014 at 17:01
Originally posted by Hans il mercante Hans il mercante wrote:

I am one of those who love all Rush, there's hard for me to pick a favorite era, it changes with my mood, but I remember seeing for the first time the Grace under pressure tour on laser disc (yes, I am that old), it was so great, the enemy within sounded so alive, so real, and even today, I put on my cd of that tour and the feeling is still there, that song live is way better than the studio version, at least for me.

From Signals, The analog kid, the weapon drums and Losing it.

Afterimage from GUP is one of my fav, let's think a bit... Between the wheels, the rhythm section is out of this world, hard not to air drum that song,  The bass line on The Enemy Within (the closing section brings shivers down my spine).

From Power windows, the lyrics of Middletown dreams, you need to understand that I was a teenager by the time I meet Rush, so the lyrics where a really important part of the product, and even on the cover you could see that he was talking to us at that time.

From HYF,  the lyrics of Open secrets, and the bass on Prime mover, well really of the whole album, a special album for my teen years.

Can we have a discussion about each album individualy?, that sounds like fun, starting from the very first one, who's going to start it?


Just this era? Or the whole Rush catalog? If we're doing the whole thing, then we might have to move over to "Rush Fan Central". Approve


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Posted By: Hans il mercante
Date Posted: August 22 2014 at 17:26
Is there a Rush fan central?, c'mon it would be nice to listen to the whole catalog (again) and write some impressions on those wonderful albums (even though I don't need to listen to them once more, I know them by heart), we can add a record from time to time and read the members favorite moment on each album.

I can tell you, I remember where I bought each one of my Rush albums, as a teen, Rush was like the soundtrack of my life. Hard not to look at them and smile. 


Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: August 22 2014 at 17:58
Originally posted by Hans il mercante Hans il mercante wrote:

Is there a Rush fan central?


Right above this thread.

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=40947" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=40947

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Posted By: Metalmarsh89
Date Posted: August 22 2014 at 17:59
I just bumped it for you Hans.

Or you could always start a new thread for such an endeavor. I'll participate when I can.


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Posted By: Hans il mercante
Date Posted: August 22 2014 at 19:14
Originally posted by Metalmarsh89 Metalmarsh89 wrote:

I just bumped it for you Hans.

Or you could always start a new thread for such an endeavor. I'll participate when I can.

Thanks Metalmarsh89, I've been reading it for a while, actually looking at the visits on this threat, I think it would be better to open a threat like this one but about the first 4 and so on, after that, we can talk about the live ones, it's up to the creator of this threat.

By the way, I got the albums on this threat on vinyl, I encourage everyone to listen to The enemy within on that format, that's how it was meant to be.


Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: August 22 2014 at 20:15
Originally posted by Hans il mercante Hans il mercante wrote:

Originally posted by Mirror Image Mirror Image wrote:

Originally posted by Jeffro Jeffro wrote:

Originally posted by Mirror Image Mirror Image wrote:

Originally posted by Horizons Horizons wrote:

I still don't understand how CA can be accepted as a good Rush album, that's another thread though. 
Ermm

I could never get into GUP from that period. Second place would certainly be Signals though. Let's be real here: Subdivisions is a complete anthem. 

I don't listen to any Rush post-Hold Your Fire. I think they lost a lot of magic when the keyboards no longer had an important role in the music. As I mentioned before, Geddy said he wished the band could have expanded on this direction, but Alex was getting pretty fed up with it all.

Personally, I love Grace. Killer album from start to finish. 

At the time, I welcomed their move away from synth. However, most of the albums post-HYF, (exception is presto) don't interest me as much as what came before. There is not one single album after Presto that I listen to in its entirety. They are have some great songs on them but as complete albums are not as interesting.  

Yes, I suppose they reached a certain saturation point and the need to move away from the synthesizers was what needed to happen.

I read an Inteview where Geddy said that they where writting songs like machines, no feeling at all, they went back to basics to feel the music grow again.

What Geddy thinks of the music and what the fans think thankfully are two different things! Smile Anyway, I believe this interview I saw with him where he said he wished Rush could have continued on with the synthesizers was on the Beyond the Lighted Stage documentary.


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Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: August 22 2014 at 20:36
Originally posted by Hans il mercante Hans il mercante wrote:

Are we going to open the Rush appreciation threat?, c´mon, we got a lot of albums to talk about.

Why would I want to do that? The 'synth period' is my favorite Rush era and I saw no thread dedicated to it. Cool


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Posted By: Metalmarsh89
Date Posted: August 22 2014 at 21:03
Originally posted by Mirror Image Mirror Image wrote:

What Geddy thinks of the music and what the fans think thankfully are two different things! Smile Anyway, I believe this interview I saw with him where he said he wished Rush could have continued on with the synthesizers was on the Beyond the Lighted Stage documentary.


Fortunately, the same goes for Neil's views on their music. LOL


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Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: August 22 2014 at 21:06
Originally posted by Metalmarsh89 Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Originally posted by Mirror Image Mirror Image wrote:

What Geddy thinks of the music and what the fans think thankfully are two different things! Smile Anyway, I believe this interview I saw with him where he said he wished Rush could have continued on with the synthesizers was on the Beyond the Lighted Stage documentary.


Fortunately, the same goes for Neil's views on their music. LOL

Interesting, I don't think I've heard Peart's view on the band's music.


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Posted By: Metalmarsh89
Date Posted: August 22 2014 at 21:38
Originally posted by Mirror Image Mirror Image wrote:

Originally posted by Metalmarsh89 Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Originally posted by Mirror Image Mirror Image wrote:

What Geddy thinks of the music and what the fans think thankfully are two different things! Smile Anyway, I believe this interview I saw with him where he said he wished Rush could have continued on with the synthesizers was on the Beyond the Lighted Stage documentary.


Fortunately, the same goes for Neil's views on their music. LOL

Interesting, I don't think I've heard Peart's view on the band's music.


Had to look for it, but here it is, a thread discussing a recent quote from him.

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=97299&KW=down&PID=4948341#4948341" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=97299&KW=down&PID=4948341#4948341


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Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: August 22 2014 at 21:42
Originally posted by Metalmarsh89 Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Originally posted by Mirror Image Mirror Image wrote:

Originally posted by Metalmarsh89 Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Originally posted by Mirror Image Mirror Image wrote:

What Geddy thinks of the music and what the fans think thankfully are two different things! Smile Anyway, I believe this interview I saw with him where he said he wished Rush could have continued on with the synthesizers was on the Beyond the Lighted Stage documentary.


Fortunately, the same goes for Neil's views on their music. LOL

Interesting, I don't think I've heard Peart's view on the band's music.


Had to look for it, but here it is, a thread discussing a recent quote from him.

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=97299&KW=down&PID=4948341#4948341" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=97299&KW=down&PID=4948341#4948341

Thanks for this. Man, he's pretty harsh on their earlier work.


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Posted By: Hans il mercante
Date Posted: August 23 2014 at 09:19
No harm intended, it's was a way to encourage a fellow rush fan to open the discussion!. 


Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: August 23 2014 at 12:21
Originally posted by Mirror Image Mirror Image wrote:

Originally posted by Metalmarsh89 Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Originally posted by Mirror Image Mirror Image wrote:

Originally posted by Metalmarsh89 Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Originally posted by Mirror Image Mirror Image wrote:

What Geddy thinks of the music and what the fans think thankfully are two different things! Smile Anyway, I believe this interview I saw with him where he said he wished Rush could have continued on with the synthesizers was on the Beyond the Lighted Stage documentary.


Fortunately, the same goes for Neil's views on their music. LOL

Interesting, I don't think I've heard Peart's view on the band's music.


Had to look for it, but here it is, a thread discussing a recent quote from him.

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=97299&KW=down&PID=4948341#4948341" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=97299&KW=down&PID=4948341#4948341

Thanks for this. Man, he's pretty harsh on their earlier work.

Not unusual for an artist to bag on their early work. Totally in character for Peart. I think he's batsh*t crazy when he says that about their 70s music.


Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: August 23 2014 at 20:59
Originally posted by Jeffro Jeffro wrote:

Originally posted by Mirror Image Mirror Image wrote:

Originally posted by Metalmarsh89 Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Originally posted by Mirror Image Mirror Image wrote:

Originally posted by Metalmarsh89 Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Originally posted by Mirror Image Mirror Image wrote:

What Geddy thinks of the music and what the fans think thankfully are two different things! Smile Anyway, I believe this interview I saw with him where he said he wished Rush could have continued on with the synthesizers was on the Beyond the Lighted Stage documentary.


Fortunately, the same goes for Neil's views on their music. LOL

Interesting, I don't think I've heard Peart's view on the band's music.


Had to look for it, but here it is, a thread discussing a recent quote from him.

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=97299&KW=down&PID=4948341#4948341" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=97299&KW=down&PID=4948341#4948341

Thanks for this. Man, he's pretty harsh on their earlier work.

Not unusual for an artist to bag on their early work. Totally in character for Peart. I think he's batsh*t crazy when he says that about their 70s music.

This true and definitely true of Genesis. Don't ask Tony Banks what he thinks about The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway. He has a problem with pretty much everything on every album. Big smile


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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: August 23 2014 at 21:27
The "synth" period is excellent IMO....Its a period of intense experimentation for all three of them. Most of it worked on a very high level, there was some poo-poo in the mix but gads in an experiment mode there is bound to be some brains farts!

We hark on Alex not liking the period but he was a trooper and stayed the course and played some great backup to Geddy's synths.

They were just expressing the times...The Police were huge, synth pop bands were huge, Flock of Seagulls, Devo and the like. Both Neil and Alex had to adjust to the new sound.

When you have been together for that long, new projects were needed to keep them from getting bored with more Tom Sawyer, and us also us getting bored.
It is a distinct period in their phenomenal career.....I keep asking myself how much longer can they go? The fan in me hopes forever , but I see no signs of them looking to start that final farewell tour or "this will be our last studio album.."

There will definitely be a hole in the progressive rock genre when they record that last note or take a bow for the last time on stage.

Rush is amazing..

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Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: August 24 2014 at 12:59
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:



They were just expressing the times...The Police were huge, synth pop bands were huge, Flock of Seagulls, Devo and the like. Both Neil and Alex had to adjust to the new sound.

I'm not sure they had to adjust to the new sound. On the other hand, they could have gone big hair power ballads instead. LOL I'll take the synth, thank you very much.


Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: August 24 2014 at 15:59
Inspired by this thread I updated my article about instruments used in Prog (Blogs section) to include Geddy's custom synth console consisting of an Oberheim 8-voice and a Minimoog put together. Here is an interesting interview with him from 1984 from the Keyboard magazine in which he talks at length about his involvement with synths in that period.

http://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/rush/keyboard-09.1984.php" rel="nofollow - http://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/rush/keyboard-09.1984.php





Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: August 25 2014 at 09:02
Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:


http://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/rush/keyboard-09.1984.php" rel="nofollow - http://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/rush/keyboard-09.1984.php


Interesting article. I may have even had that issue back then.
I wonder if Geddy would try putting synths back in the band at this point. 


Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: August 25 2014 at 11:26
Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

Inspired by this thread I updated my article about instruments used in Prog (Blogs section) to include Geddy's custom synth console consisting of an Oberheim 8-voice and a Minimoog put together. Here is an interesting interview with him from 1984 from the Keyboard magazine in which he talks at length about his involvement with synths in that period.

http://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/rush/keyboard-09.1984.php" rel="nofollow - http://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/rush/keyboard-09.1984.php




Excellent article/interview. Thanks for sharing. That website cygnus-x1.net is a fantastic resource for us Rush fans.


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Posted By: Metalmarsh89
Date Posted: August 25 2014 at 12:28
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

There will definitely be a hole in the progressive rock genre when they record that last note or take a bow for the last time on stage.

Rush is amazing..


I know very well this is true, but since you mention it, the thought honestly brought a tear to my eye just now. Cry


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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: August 25 2014 at 12:46
Originally posted by Jeffro Jeffro wrote:


Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

http://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/rush/keyboard-09.1984.php" rel="nofollow - http://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/rush/keyboard-09.1984.php
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<span style="line-height: 1.2;">Interesting article. I may have even had that issue back then.</span>
<span style="line-height: 1.2;">I wonder if Geddy would try putting synths back in the band at this point. </span>


After three albums of great hard rockin'...I must admit that would be cool if he did the retro-synth thing circa '81-'84 with actual melodies and sequences, not just shadings and accents.

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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: August 25 2014 at 15:30
Most content of the last few tours have been very heavy to the "synth period". So Geddy has been playing a lot of keys on the tours. I like it, sounds amazing and works well.

What I am hoping for is a 2-night stint where 1 night is 70-80s, 2nd night is 90's and up....

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Posted By: Metalmarsh89
Date Posted: August 25 2014 at 15:45
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Most content of the last few tours have been very heavy to the "synth period". So Geddy has been playing a lot of keys on the tours. I like it, sounds amazing and works well.

What I am hoping for is a 2-night stint where 1 night is 70-80s, 2nd night is 90's and up....
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I've noticed this as well from checking out setlists. Do they play anything from the 70's anymore?


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Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: August 25 2014 at 16:06
Originally posted by Metalmarsh89 Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Most content of the last few tours have been very heavy to the "synth period". So Geddy has been playing a lot of keys on the tours. I like it, sounds amazing and works well.

What I am hoping for is a 2-night stint where 1 night is 70-80s, 2nd night is 90's and up....
'

I've noticed this as well from checking out setlists. Do they play anything from the 70's anymore?

Closer To The Heart is a concert favorite of course as are excerpts from 2112 and La Villa Strangiato.


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Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: August 25 2014 at 16:15
Originally posted by Mirror Image Mirror Image wrote:

Originally posted by Jeffro Jeffro wrote:

Originally posted by Mirror Image Mirror Image wrote:

Originally posted by Metalmarsh89 Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Originally posted by Mirror Image Mirror Image wrote:

Originally posted by Metalmarsh89 Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Originally posted by Mirror Image Mirror Image wrote:

What Geddy thinks of the music and what the fans think thankfully are two different things! Smile Anyway, I believe this interview I saw with him where he said he wished Rush could have continued on with the synthesizers was on the Beyond the Lighted Stage documentary.


Fortunately, the same goes for Neil's views on their music. LOL

Interesting, I don't think I've heard Peart's view on the band's music.


Had to look for it, but here it is, a thread discussing a recent quote from him.

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=97299&KW=down&PID=4948341#4948341" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=97299&KW=down&PID=4948341#4948341

Thanks for this. Man, he's pretty harsh on their earlier work.

Not unusual for an artist to bag on their early work. Totally in character for Peart. I think he's batsh*t crazy when he says that about their 70s music.

This true and definitely true of Genesis. Don't ask Tony Banks what he thinks about The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway. He has a problem with pretty much everything on every album. Big smile

LOL


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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: August 25 2014 at 16:23
Well, Neil is a very wise man, and he should acknowledge that would there have not been their early period it is unlikely that there would have been their later period.


Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: August 25 2014 at 16:26
Originally posted by Metalmarsh89 Metalmarsh89 wrote:


Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Most content of the last few tours have been very heavy to the "synth period". So Geddy has been playing a lot of keys on the tours. I like it, sounds amazing and works well.

What I am hoping for is a 2-night stint where 1 night is 70-80s, 2nd night is 90's and up....
'I've noticed this as well from checking out setlists. Do they play anything from the 70's anymore?


Working Man is a regular encore diddy also.....The last two tours I have seen they actually kill it with Working Man.

With the popularity of the VW commercial I expect Fly By Night will make the setlist too.

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