The Prog Side of The Beatles
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Topic: The Prog Side of The Beatles
Posted By: musitron
Subject: The Prog Side of The Beatles
Date Posted: August 19 2014 at 16:34
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The Prog movement might never have started if the Beatles hadn't started experimenting with popular music. So for fun I made my own prog album from The Beatles. Imagine... Happiness is a warm gun Strawberry field forever Eleonor Rigby I am the walrus A Day in the Life Helter Skelter L.S.D You Never Give Me Your Money The fool on the hill Being for the Benefit of Mr. Kite! Tomorrow Never Knows ------------- “One good thing about music, when it hits you, you feel no pain.” Dark Side Radio - Best new Prog 2015 mixed with good old stuff. - www.live365.com/stations/young_gun |
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: August 19 2014 at 16:37
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^No Glass Onion? No Wild Honey Pie? No Love Me Do?
Just kidding. Great List. |
Posted By: musitron
Date Posted: August 19 2014 at 16:46
Maybe Glass Oinion  ------------- “One good thing about music, when it hits you, you feel no pain.” Dark Side Radio - Best new Prog 2015 mixed with good old stuff. - www.live365.com/stations/young_gun |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: August 19 2014 at 16:49
^Trust me. There all good. 
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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: August 19 2014 at 17:15
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The Beatles trained me at a very early age to look for interesting combinations and structures in music. It's the backbone upon which my whole collection is based.
Except maybe for that Wham album. ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: Junges
Date Posted: August 19 2014 at 19:42
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In my opinion, there isn't a "Beatles prog side" and I think prog rock would have existed without them anyway.
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Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: August 19 2014 at 20:00
| I would add "Within You Without You" to an already excellent list. |
Posted By: musitron
Date Posted: August 19 2014 at 21:01
I respect your opinion but many artists do not think like you. "Tomorrow Never Knows" was like a breakthrough, and from then on, obviously they got into other major work, so they were the gods." - Jon Anderson And listen what Peter Hamil said. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJJ7gQBdrZw#t=124 ------------- “One good thing about music, when it hits you, you feel no pain.” Dark Side Radio - Best new Prog 2015 mixed with good old stuff. - www.live365.com/stations/young_gun |
Junges wrote:Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: August 19 2014 at 21:04
Don't forget about Fripp too  . Fripp was influenced by them  ------------- “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: August 20 2014 at 06:20
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Sargent Peppers for me. Very experimental/instrumental album.
Broke some new ground, especially for 1967. ------------- Gimmie my headphones now!!! 🎧🤣 |
Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: August 20 2014 at 09:50
The Beatles were my first favorite group. Growing up, my parents had a few albums. Maybe that's where my love of prog ideas started. 
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Posted By: CosmicVibration
Date Posted: August 20 2014 at 10:01
Beatles “prog side” emerged after Rubber Soul. They were definitely pioneers of so called progressive rock. Conversely, if they didn’t do it, someone else would have. |
Posted By: musitron
Date Posted: August 20 2014 at 10:39
Who knows! That would probably be different without The Beatles.
------------- “One good thing about music, when it hits you, you feel no pain.” Dark Side Radio - Best new Prog 2015 mixed with good old stuff. - www.live365.com/stations/young_gun |
Posted By: O666
Date Posted: August 20 2014 at 11:27
Beatles Prog Side.
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: August 20 2014 at 11:39
And here we are again about what is progressive and what isn't. 
I have never thought the BEATLES were 'progressive rock' in any way but they did have some unusual use of instruments, orchestration, and techniques in some of their songs but when I was listening to them back in the day (I'm 63), I always saw those elements as more psych pop/rock. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: musitron
Date Posted: August 20 2014 at 12:06
OK. I'm French. Sorry for the accent  I know The Beatles weren't prog. That term did not even exist until 1970. But they were the pioneers. And they were much more than just a psychedelic pop rock band even if they had 5 or 6 real psychedelic songs. They were more experimental and innovator to me. They were also more progressive than regressive music band.  ------------- “One good thing about music, when it hits you, you feel no pain.” Dark Side Radio - Best new Prog 2015 mixed with good old stuff. - www.live365.com/stations/young_gun |
Posted By: CosmicVibration
Date Posted: August 20 2014 at 12:13
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Bill Bruford interview in modern drummer http://www.moderndrummer.com/site/2007/08/bill-bruford/#_" rel="nofollow - http://www.moderndrummer.com/site/2007/08/bill-bruford/#_
MD: What sparked that original creative spark that became prog rock? Bill: The Beatles. They broke down every barrier that ever existed. Suddenly you could do anything after The Beatles. You could write your own music, make it ninety yards long, put it in 7/4, whatever you wanted. |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: August 21 2014 at 00:14
I'll admit, I'm not a huge fan of The Beatles, but however you look at things, Bruford said it perfectly. They may not be Prog per se, but surely innovative, adventurous and influential - everything a Prog band is 
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: August 21 2014 at 00:18
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I moved this thread to the proto lounge:) ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: August 21 2014 at 01:44
I agree, but with the exception of Strawberry Fields Forever / Penny Lane the single which is (early) British progressive rock wihout a question. |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: August 21 2014 at 03:45
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I think this would make an album of about one hour (60:49) with their proggiest songs: All You Need Is Love 3:47 Rain 3:02 Norwegian Wood 2:05 A Day in the Life 5:33 Happiness Is a Warm Gun 2:43 Strawberry Fields Forever 4:10 I Want You (She's So Heavy) 7:47 Helter Skelter 4:29 Tomorrow Never Knows 2:57 Within You Without You 5:05 Here Comes the Sun 3:05 I Am the Walrus 4:33 Revolution 9 8:22 Good Night 3:11 (I added Good Night because the transiton from Revolution 9 goes quite unnoticed) ------------- 
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Posted By: O666
Date Posted: August 21 2014 at 10:28
Hi. Many of us (PA fans) love or like beatles. I start with them when I was 13-14 years old( Now I am 45). I agree with you my friend but IMO they never been a Prog Rock band or they never start Prog Rock Genre. As you said I think They are " just a psychedelic pop rock band " |
Posted By: O666
Date Posted: August 21 2014 at 10:31
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Posted By: musitron
Date Posted: August 21 2014 at 11:18
No. I said " they were much more than just a psychedelic pop rock band "  But I think at 45 you are still too young to understand the impact of the Beatles on the prog and music in general.
------------- “One good thing about music, when it hits you, you feel no pain.” Dark Side Radio - Best new Prog 2015 mixed with good old stuff. - www.live365.com/stations/young_gun |
Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: August 21 2014 at 13:41
Well said and good quote my friend. All Hail Bartley Butsford!!! ------------- Gimmie my headphones now!!! 🎧🤣 |
Posted By: BarryGlibb
Date Posted: August 22 2014 at 04:43
Exactly; YOU HAD TO BE THERE to know exactly what impact the Beatles had on the progression of rock music. All you 30 or 40 something youngsters please take our word for it. AND HOW CAN YOU FREAKING ARGUE WITH SOMEONE AS CREDIBLE AS BILL BRUFORD!!!!
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Posted By: O666
Date Posted: August 22 2014 at 10:07
Thanks. I used of part of your post to explain mine!! I know your opinion clearly. I living with "Progressive" music and fortunately my family (my wife and my children) understand me.I love Beatles but they are not a Prog Rock band (IMO). Thanks again for your time and answer.
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Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: August 22 2014 at 12:10
| Yep, they all but just about started it all (except for that little known Italian instrumental outfit around the same time). |
Posted By: musitron
Date Posted: August 22 2014 at 13:03
No problem. I respect your opinion and i'm glad I did not offence you. Long life to rock and roll ------------- “One good thing about music, when it hits you, you feel no pain.” Dark Side Radio - Best new Prog 2015 mixed with good old stuff. - www.live365.com/stations/young_gun |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: August 22 2014 at 23:09
Guldbamsen moved the thread to the Proto prog forum.....and rightly so since The Beatles are not a prog rock band and are indeed listed here under the Proto prog heading.
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Posted By: musitron
Date Posted: August 23 2014 at 09:34
 Guldbamsen  ------------- “One good thing about music, when it hits you, you feel no pain.” Dark Side Radio - Best new Prog 2015 mixed with good old stuff. - www.live365.com/stations/young_gun |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: August 23 2014 at 13:08
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: August 24 2014 at 09:46
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I don't know why people want to call The Beatles a progressive rock band. They did some 'progressive things' with some of their music and expanded the horizons of what could be done with pop and rock in the studio.
Prog Rock...they ain't.
------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: musitron
Date Posted: August 24 2014 at 11:41
Who said that? But they were definitely pioneers. And for sure they were more progressive than regressive in the world of music. ------------- “One good thing about music, when it hits you, you feel no pain.” Dark Side Radio - Best new Prog 2015 mixed with good old stuff. - www.live365.com/stations/young_gun |
Posted By: Friday13th
Date Posted: August 24 2014 at 15:10
| A Day in the Life though |
Posted By: NYSPORTSFAN
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 20:04
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I have to be honest but I consider "A Day in The Life" and "I Want You "She's So Heavy" as Progressive Rock.
I think certain people need to get over the fact that the same band who wrote "I Want to Hold Your Hand" transformed themselves into the most influential artist in the Progressive Rock movement. Nothing against Zappa but he did not have the wide reach as The Beatles in terms of popularity and influence. I gather more progressive rock musicians were initially influenced by The Beatles to get into music far more than Zappa. It's no coincidence that Robert Fripp was influenced to get into rock music after hearing "A Day In The Life". |
Posted By: Prog_Traveller
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 23:52
| I heard a guy say once that "I want you/she's so heavy" is pure prog. Not sure if I agree with that although it could be considered proto. THe closest the Beatles came to typical prog imo was probably "a day in the life." TO be honest I don't think they did all that much that was similar to the later prog. Although they were very experimental at times I wouldn't really call them prog. That being said they did get the ball rolling and are important in the development of adventurous music that led directly to prog. |
Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: August 28 2014 at 11:01
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The Beatles are not truly progressive to what the main standard or true definition of what Prog music delivers, but they have a ton of well-thought out progressive tendencies to a few of their albums.
Certainly Sargent Peppers paved the way for a wonderful model of experimentation by fusing eastern cultural music backgrounds into their overall sound while creating some songs that have some incredible changes in direction. Amazing for 1967. I'd say the Beatles, when they put on their Prog hats, are really quite good at it. :) ------------- Gimmie my headphones now!!! 🎧🤣 |
Posted By: Stool Man
Date Posted: August 29 2014 at 09:10
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If I were to compile a Beatles prog album, it might be Because The Inner Light We Can Work It Out Rain Yellow Submarine You Know My Name Everywhere It's Christmas Revolution 9 (mono) Flying A Day In The Life Hey Bulldog Strawberry fields Forever It's All Too Much ------------- rotten hound of the burnie crew |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: August 29 2014 at 09:56
Good choice on the whole, although I would argue against "We Can Work It Out" - great song but not really prog even if it does change time signatures.
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Posted By: Stool Man
Date Posted: August 30 2014 at 10:26
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There's nothing wrong with including a great non-prog song. Most prog bands have the odd non-prog song.
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Posted By: musitron
Date Posted: September 03 2014 at 14:28
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=oMF54aF9Vjk" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=oMF54aF9Vjk ------------- “One good thing about music, when it hits you, you feel no pain.” Dark Side Radio - Best new Prog 2015 mixed with good old stuff. - www.live365.com/stations/young_gun |
Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: September 22 2014 at 12:26
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They are not Prog Rock or what we define regularly as Prog. Their usage of the mellotron was superb , inventive/creative, and influenced part of the birth of Prog. King Crimson in 69' used to rehearse "Lucy In the Sky With Diamonds" so I attribute their overall influence in the elements/ideas they came up with, (along with George Martin) to produce something unique within a song by using effects and unlike many others who attempted to catch up with The Beatles during the rat race when many bands were trying to sound like Sgt. Pepper. For a while it was almost insulting. It was an influential album, but too many artists were simply out-right copying the style. The Beatles late 60's material presented an idea to combine influences from other styles that were not Rock. The way in which The Beatles produced that as an end product, it became evident to most internationally known artists that they were surrounding the melody unlike anyone before them. The choice to use a sitar, a French Horn, or string quartet to enhance the vocal, creating a style that couldn't always be catagorized as Pop. Maybe years later..it was, but not in 67' when people first heard Sgt. Pepper. What happened later is not any motive on behalf of The Beatles. When it was first released, it felt very strange to people and they were drawn in by it's intensity of sound. That's why it influenced Progressive Rock. It was mainly an aspect to the actual style that produced new ideas in Prog. It was a premature stage . |
Posted By: addictedtoprog
Date Posted: September 22 2014 at 12:40
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