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Topic: Gentle GiantPosted By: k3no444
Subject: Gentle Giant
Date Posted: July 15 2014 at 09:16
I just found out about this band last night. My questions are: who is this band, why wasn't I told, and most importantly, why are they so awesome?
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Replies: Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: July 15 2014 at 09:22
They are indeed awesome.
Posted By: k3no444
Date Posted: July 15 2014 at 09:29
I've only listened to their first album so far, but I love the complexity and proginess of the album. Which are your favorites so I know which one to play next?
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: July 15 2014 at 09:31
Prog's best kept open secret. Go immediately to PA archives, get first five albums, obtain bliss and then report back. Plus the discography has the low down on the band.
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: July 15 2014 at 09:34
k3no444 wrote:
I've only listened to their first album so far, but I love the complexity and proginess of the album. Which are your favorites so I know which one to play next?
Keep going chronologically. It can get a bit dodgy towards the end, though.
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: July 15 2014 at 09:36
Padraic wrote:
k3no444 wrote:
I've only listened to their first album so far, but I love the complexity and proginess of the album. Which are your favorites so I know which one to play next?
Keep going chronologically. It can get a bit dodgy towards the end, though.
Padriac words are true, let him be your guide.
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: July 15 2014 at 09:52
A very worthwhile, solid, consistent discography. For me, things peaked around the "Power and the Glory" through "Free Hand" period.
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: July 15 2014 at 10:56
SteveG wrote:
Padraic wrote:
k3no444 wrote:
I've only listened to their first album so far, but I love the complexity and proginess of the album. Which are your favorites so I know which one to play next?
Keep going chronologically. It can get a bit dodgy towards the end, though.
Padriac words are true, let him be your guide.
Best idea ever!
Next up: Aquiring the Taste (my first and still my most treasured), Three Friends and Octopus... four first/70-72 is my favorite GG-era, but they're great all the way up till and including Interview.
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: July 15 2014 at 12:46
Though not that loved really, I wouldn't ignore The Missing Piece. That, along with Freehand, are my favorites. I don't find Three Friends all that special.
Posted By: GhostPony750
Date Posted: July 15 2014 at 13:49
I own 4 albums from them, their first, Aquiring the Taste, Three Friends and Octopus.
An album you should check is In A Glass House, it's very great.
WATEVUR, check everything!!!
Posted By: Kirillov
Date Posted: July 15 2014 at 14:40
Acquiring The Taste is their best IMHO
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 15 2014 at 14:53
Posted By: melotron98
Date Posted: July 15 2014 at 14:56
I know only Octopus, grat album... but I gotta listen to GG more.
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: July 15 2014 at 15:07
Kirillov wrote:
Acquiring The Taste is their best IMHO
I totally agree, though as it comes to Gentle Giant, there are quite diverse opinions about which is their best album, and which are their best songs.
Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: July 16 2014 at 01:02
k3no444 wrote:
I just found out about this band last night. My questions are: who is this band, why wasn't I told, and most importantly, why are they so awesome?
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Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.”
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"Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: July 16 2014 at 20:53
Guess they have a limited, if any, following outside hardcore prog listeners. There seem to be so many fans of GG on prog archives alone and yet getting to know of them for the first time is a challenge. Learning where to start is an even bigger challenge.
Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: July 20 2014 at 19:48
1. A great '70's prog band. 2. You've been traveling in the wrong circles. 3. They brought forth a brand of progressive rock that in many instances outdid most of their rivals.
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: July 20 2014 at 22:42
Uh oh....looks like GG has a new fan boy.
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: July 21 2014 at 00:43
I have all except for Giant For A Day.
Three Friends all the way............
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 21 2014 at 01:43
I've got the new Blu Ray release of Power and The Glory on the way. That will probably remain my favourite GG album although Freehand and Interview contain some great music as well. Not such a massive fan of very early GG although its very nice.
Posted By: mike1259
Date Posted: July 23 2014 at 12:00
GG is very much revered in prog circles but a little obscure for the same reason Yes and Kansas aren't - they refused to cater to the lowest common denominator and stuck fiercely by their artistic muse (that is, until Giant for a Day and The Missing Piece, don't waste your money on these unless you're a completist). BTW, I like Yes and Kansas.
Most folks really embrace Octopus quickly but you'll find their very best songs on a smattering of albums and they're all must-have's up to and including Interview (I Lost My Head, for example).
Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: July 23 2014 at 20:10
mike1259 wrote:
GG is very much revered in prog circles but a little obscure for the same reason Yes and Kansas aren't - they refused to cater to the lowest common denominator and stuck fiercely by their artistic muse (that is, until Giant for a Day and The Missing Piece, don't waste your money on these unless you're a completist). BTW, I like Yes and Kansas.
Most folks really embrace Octopus quickly but you'll find their very best songs on a smattering of albums and they're all must-have's up to and including Interview (I Lost My Head, for example).
You missed it, Mikey. Don't lump The Missing Piece in with that piece of crap that followed. With the exception of Betcha Thought We Couldn't Do It, it was the last good (I didn't say great) 'Giant studio album before the band jumped the shark entirely, witnessed by the sweeping Memories of Old Days. I would also venture to say most 'Giant fans have all their studio albums and then some (live albums, box sets, DVDs)!
Posted By: AreYouHuman
Date Posted: July 23 2014 at 21:20
^ I do agree about The Missing Piece, though IMO Giant for a Day and Civilian have their moments, though of course they can't hold a candle to Three Friends, Power & Glory, Free Hand…okay, all of them up to Interview. FBOFW, they were shifting to a more commercial sound at the same time as many of their contemporaries.
BTW, Here’s a couple recent threads on the same subject:
Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: July 23 2014 at 21:37
^^ Get to it
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Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.”
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"Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart
Posted By: MikeToska
Date Posted: July 26 2014 at 10:10
Have you seen this concert? Amazing stuff!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UM-yGcpaY_4
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: July 26 2014 at 10:14
Have it on DVD. Great concert, though I slightly prefer the German TV concert.
Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: July 26 2014 at 14:47
Gentle Giant were tremendous live. I saw them in 1974 just after the release of my favorite album by them, "The Power and the Glory".
Posted By: Xonty
Date Posted: July 26 2014 at 15:32
Gentle Giant are incredible. Still can't get my head around how they can write albums like "The Power And The Glory" and "Free Hand", and on top of that, perform them! Not sure why they go so un-noticed. Probably because they're that bit more obscure than Yes, Genesis, and even King Crimson/VDGG in ways.
Posted By: DaleHauskins
Date Posted: July 26 2014 at 16:20
As an American lifelong Los Angeles guitarist,I was blessed to be the guitarist in a Swiss progressive rock band called Flame Dream. We were often compared to Gentle Giant...
For those of you unfamiliar about Switzerland's Flame Dream,we recorded 5 albums on Vertigo Records;and one album on the Phillips Record Label. Most of our albums were recorded at Yes,Moody Blues amazing Swiss keyboardist Patrick Moraz's studios in Geneva,Switzerland (Where most prog and fusion bands recorded at in Europe at the time.) Flame Dream albums were mostly produced,mixed and recorded by the very clever English gent John Acock(Producer for Steve Hackett).
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Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: July 26 2014 at 20:27
Listening to Power and The Glory right now. Just some awesomely weird stuff. This is hardcore prog. I'm loving it!
Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: July 27 2014 at 01:37
The discovery of GG is always a magic moment in a progger's life , you always think "WTF how had I missed them so far?" They were the less popular of the 1970's giants.
If you go with the PA ratings you can't go wrong, Free Hand, Power and the Glory, In A Glass House, Three Friends, Octopus... great stuff.
Watching the videos is a good way to get to know them better
Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: July 27 2014 at 11:46
Xonty wrote:
Gentle Giant are incredible. Still can't get my head around how they can write albums like "The Power And The Glory" and "Free Hand", and on top of that, perform them! Not sure why they go so un-noticed. Probably because they're that bit more obscure than Yes, Genesis, and even King Crimson/VDGG in ways.
The more I listen to them, the more I love them. I can see certainly how someone couldn't get into them. They are an acquired taste but so are Genesis, Yes, or King Crimson for example. What's interesting is they write this complex music but it comes across in such an accessible way. Granted there are times when it's challenging. Like, for instance, I don't enjoy their a cappella stuff like Knots, but, thankfully, they didn't these types of songs too often. I don't know why they go unnoticed and have remained pretty underrated, but it's a shame.
I remember the first time I heard Gentle Giant. A friend of mine had Octopus on cassette and we listened to in his car. I really couldn't believe my ears. They were so weird yet there was so much heart in the music that I could tell these musicians loved performing this music. I was hooked right after The Advent of Panurge finished.
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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: July 27 2014 at 12:02
And Kerry Minnear one of the undeservedly forgotten keys giants, we talk a lot of Emerson, Wakeman, Banks, Bardens, Moraz et al but Minnear was right up there with them and we too seldom include him in the mix.
Posted By: Michael678
Date Posted: July 27 2014 at 12:13
omfg, i am one step closer to checking these "monster musicians" out one of these days. if you say that its THAT complex, im listening to it. and im 15 for crying out loud!!
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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: July 27 2014 at 14:27
Michael678 wrote:
omfg, i am one step closer to checking these "monster musicians" out one of these days. if you say that its THAT complex, im listening to it. and im 15 for crying out loud!!
You're gonna freak out (but don't understand "complexity" in the modern meaning of Prog-Metal, Tech-Extreme etc).
Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: July 27 2014 at 14:59
Gerinski wrote:
And Kerry Minnear one of the undeservedly forgotten keys giants, we talk a lot of Emerson, Wakeman, Banks, Bardens, Moraz et al but Minnear was right up there with them and we too seldom include him in the mix.
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Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.”
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"Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: July 27 2014 at 15:10
Gerinski wrote:
And Kerry Minnear one of the undeservedly forgotten keys giants, we talk a lot of Emerson, Wakeman, Banks, Bardens, Moraz et al but Minnear was right up there with them and we too seldom include him in the mix.
Bardens and Moraz? Do we talk often enough about them? But I digress.
Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: July 27 2014 at 15:12
Dayvenkirq wrote:
Gerinski wrote:
And Kerry Minnear one of the undeservedly forgotten keys giants, we talk a lot of Emerson, Wakeman, Banks, Bardens, Moraz et al but Minnear was right up there with them and we too seldom include him in the mix.
Bardens and Moraz? Do we talk often enough about them?
I think Moraz and Bardens are both underrated for sure.
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Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: July 27 2014 at 16:48
I like the first three albums. Then ...
Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: July 27 2014 at 17:55
Gerinski wrote:
The discovery of GG is always a magic moment in a progger's life ,
It's like I'm a born again progger!
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: July 27 2014 at 18:48
Gerinski wrote:
The discovery of GG is always a magic moment in a progger's life , you always think "WTF how had I missed them so far?" They were the less popular of the 1970's giants.
If you go with the PA ratings you can't go wrong, Free Hand, Power and the Glory, In A Glass House, Three Friends, Octopus... great stuff.
Watching the videos is a good way to get to know them better
Fixed :
(Just use the video's unique ID tag in the link.)
Gerinski wrote:
The discovery of GG is always a magic moment in a progger's life , ...
'Twas not the case with me. They are not that easy to get into, are you kidding me?
Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: July 27 2014 at 20:27
Took me a good decade to get it.
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Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: July 27 2014 at 20:32
^^^ Took me my first time listening to Giant to get it
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Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.”
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"Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: July 27 2014 at 20:32
I adore Octopus but some of the other not so much. Not a favorite, really have to be in the mood it.
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: July 27 2014 at 20:45
My review of The Power and the Glory, I think, remains my favorite review that I've written here:
Graham Green published a novel of the same name in 1940 that loosely inspired this Gentle Giant work
of genius. The concept of this particular album is the cyclical nature of politics and the
Machiavellian manner in which people engage in them. The music (including the way the words are
sung) reflects the lyrics in an amazing way. Derek Shulman, with his authoritative and boisterous
vocals, speaks for the leader, while Kerry Minnear, quiet and docile, assumes the role of the
unassuming common man. This highly consistent work represents Gentle Giant at their absolute finest.
"Proclamation" This was the first Gentle Giant song I ever heard, and the first time I heard it, I
thought to myself, "What the hell am I listening to?" I was so dismayed that I had bought their
previous album that same day! The truth about Gentle Giant for many people though, I suspect, is
that their constant eccentricity makes them quite an acquired taste (no pun intended). For a young
man with preferences of symphonic and heavy progressive rock, this album took a few listens to
really appreciate and enjoy. The first thing one hears on this album is the cheering of a large
crowd, setting the stage for a popular leader's ascension to power over a nation, which are exactly
what the lyrics describe (from the perspective of the new chief). The music relies on piano, both
electric and otherwise, a grooving bass and drum pairing, and some peculiar arrangements, including
something like "Flight of the Bumblebee" in the middle. After a frightening and commanding vocal
section, the music becomes hushed and a bit disturbing, until the final verse comes in, much faster
in tempo than the two that came prior. The song ends with further applause- the coveted approval of
the people.
"So Sincere" Naturally, this was the second Gentle Giant song I ever heard, and my reaction was
even more pronounced then when I'd heard the previous song. I was positive that Gentle Giant was
just some weird band I would never like; remarkably, this proved not to be the case, and even this
strange little number (which I had skipped over multiple times in the past) grew on me. It begins
with an awkward riff that relies heavily on strings. The vocal melody is even weirder, but is an
integral element of the song, which is about the genuineness of the leader. It is telling that the
word "sincere" is cut off at times to produce the phrase, "so sin." The guitar solo is highly
enjoyable, highlighting Gary Green's crucial role in fitting in with such unusual arrangements.
"Aspirations" The only quiet and straightforward song on the album, "Aspirations" features quiet
electric piano, acoustic guitar, and Kerry Minnear's soft, lovely singing voice. The mildness with
which this song is performed reflects the meekness of the populace, entreating their leader to lead
them to glory, and assuring him that they are behind him. They express their complete assurance
that their leader will make all their "sorrows gone forever."
"Playing the Game" The crowning moment of the record, "Playing the Game" has a couple of recurring
themes that use Gary Green's guitar to great effect, one of which is situated after each verse, and
one that starts off the song and serves to bridge the verses. The ascending bass played during
certain repetitions of the first theme is a good approach and lends variety to a musical motif that
could have otherwise become stale. Kerry Minnear has a brief and quiet vocal part as the song fades
out in the middle before a bass riff explodes into an excellent organ solo. In the lyrics, the
leader asserts his invulnerability, pointing out that everything else exists for his purposes.
Derek Shulman gives an energetic but controlled vocal performance, demonstrating both the
authority's unbridled confidence in himself and his exacting strategies.
"Cogs in Cogs" Despite the leader's efforts, he confesses that his empty promises have not paved
the way, and now the cogs of discontent are turning. The music is fast paced and frantic,
reflecting the mounting panic of the person in charge. The piece is tightly orchestrated, and,
along with the songs immediately before and after, was one that kept me returning to this album
until it all "clicked" with me.
"No God's a Man" The music features some springy clean guitar and intriguing arrangements. It is
another highlight. The lyrics describe the cyclical nature of power, how, even after the rise of a
great and popular leader, the vacillation of the minds of the people can quickly result in a
revolution. In typical Gentle Giant fashion, the vocals overlap one another, here giving the
impression of the general population (many people out on the street, for instance) speaking about
their current state of affairs and being in agreement.
"The Face" A Cajun feel accompanies the beginning of this piece, with violin and tambourine, and
guitar and bass accompanying. The instrumental section is incredible, yet another example of Gentle
Giant's creative greatness. Green gives a respectable guitar performance, also. The words describe
a leader who realizes how unpopular his direction has become, but still urges his associates to
"wear the face that is sorry."
"Valedictory" This is a heavy rock number that reprises the melody from the first song. The
lyrics, however, reflect the opposite idea: The leader establishing his authority in "Proclamation"
is pleading with his uprising people that "things must stay; there must be no change." The very end
of the song is the sound of a tape player rewinding, perhaps inducing us to return to the beginning
and listen to the album again- or maybe reminding us that whoever assumes power after this leader is
deposed will experience the very same cycle.
(Bonus Track) "The Power and the Glory" Typically I do not review bonus tracks, but I'll make an
exception here. This short piece carries the classic Gentle Giant sound, but is much less complex.
According to one source, it didn't make the album because it had not yet been written (and Ray
Shulman thought it was the worst of three "atrocious" "commercial" songs they'd written for the
record company). Regardless of his opinion, the song is well worth having if you can get the 35th
anniversary release.
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 28 2014 at 15:07
The Blu Ray of The Power and The Glory is a must for all fans. Some nice original animation and a new mix from Steven Wilson (he hasn't changed it much though thankfully)
Posted By: rdtprog
Date Posted: July 28 2014 at 15:23
richardh wrote:
The Blu Ray of The Power and The Glory is a must for all fans. Some nice original animation and a new mix from Steven Wilson (he hasn't changed it much though thankfully)
Yes a must, what is special a part from the surround mix, there's also a instrumental stereo mix of the album.
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Posted By: mike1259
Date Posted: July 28 2014 at 19:46
Epignosis wrote:
My review of The Power and the Glory, I think, remains my favorite review that I've written here:...
Altho the band maintains the concept was one of powerful ppl in general (popes, kings, etc) I cannot believe it a coincidence this was released at the end of the Watergate scandal.
Cogs in Cogs seems to points to Nixon by creating brilliant imagery of the complex, conniving, contriving mind at work.
Particularly No God's a Man seems like a song of condolence, some underling trying to tactfully help this megalomaniac understand that he's not God (No god's a man but then again.. no man's a god!)
The Face Step from the white(house?), step into the light (exposure)!
Valediction I always see in my mind's eye the president lumbering toward that helicopter with his famous "V" fingers hovering above him. And then away... Haaaaiiiiiiiilllllll)
Posted By: FusionWarrior
Date Posted: August 01 2014 at 07:33
"The Power and The Glory" is without a doubt my favorite GG record. All of them are incredible, but that one remains my personal fave .
Posted By: Dr. Occulator
Date Posted: August 01 2014 at 16:29
Maybe the most difficult band to 'get' for a newer prog fan but when it suddenly one day becomes crystal clear how brilliant they were, there's no turning back!
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: August 02 2014 at 03:26
I found them hard going even as a long time prog fan. It is better to go back to the original albums and play them one at a time. I tried to take in too much too soon. Did not compute.
Posted By: Kirillov
Date Posted: August 02 2014 at 04:38
Just been listening to Acquiring The Taste, it's still my favourite GG album. 'Pantagruel's Nativity' is total and utter prog bliss.
Posted By: rdtprog
Date Posted: August 02 2014 at 04:47
Yes Acquiring the Taste is my favourite because of it's strange atmosphere, i guess, waiting for the remix for that one
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Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: August 02 2014 at 05:31
Gentle Giant - School Days. Their best song, in my opinion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-MdA0LPXj0
Posted By: PrognosticMind
Date Posted: August 02 2014 at 12:10
I LOVE Gentle Giant! In my personal top 5 prog acts of all time, without question! Octopus, Glass House, TP&TG, Freehand etc. Hell, even Interview was awesome!
Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: August 02 2014 at 12:53
I listened to Prog for about 10 years before I discovered Gentle Giant. I never saw a GG album in the second hand bin with all the Yes, Genesis, King Crimson and Camel albums I found there. So it wasn´t until I found PA, that I learned about them. A secret indeed...
As many others have suggested before me. Go through the disco in chronological order. The last couple of albums aren´t that exciting, but taking into consideration the absolute gems, that preceed them, I forgive GG :-)
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Posted By: JJMcBlaze
Date Posted: August 02 2014 at 13:51
k3no444 wrote:
I just found out about this band last night. My questions are: who is this band, why wasn't I told, and most importantly, why are they so awesome?
Man, I still remember the first time I heard 'em... One of my mates' dad was cranking Alucard that day... sold instantly, though I must admit that 'Giant for a Day' was only so-so...
Dr. Occulator wrote:
Maybe the most difficult band to 'get' for a newer prog fan but when it suddenly one day becomes crystal clear how brilliant they were, there's no turning back!
Most of my friends found VdGG or Egg's 2nd Symphony a lot harder to get through than even the most obscure GG stuff. ;)
Nothing against the brilliance of GG, though! There are still many car rides with Wreck or Plain Truth ripping through the speakers and me 'singing' (ridiculously moaning) along wih it.
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Posted By: Mr.Bulbous
Date Posted: August 04 2014 at 17:43
Besides Rush(they're too good), The Giant are my favourite prog band. Keep in mind, though, this stuff is weird. You'll need to have a few albums to really get the feel of it and have a collection of songs you'll love. These are the best:
The Power And The Glory
In A Glass House
Three Friends
Gentle Giant
Free Hand
In'terview
Acquiring The Taste and Octopus are harder to get into. Although, they're popular with fans. Stay away from The Missing Piece, Civilian and Giant For A Day.
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: August 05 2014 at 01:14
^ I wouldn't agree that Octopus is harder to get into than In A Glass House.
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: August 05 2014 at 01:33
richardh wrote:
^ I wouldn't agree that Octopus is harder to get into than In A Glass House.
I agree. To my ears Acquiring the Taste is the easiest to get into followed by the rest of their four first including Octopus. I never thoroughly embraced Free Hand, The Power And The Glory, In A Glass House, Free Hand orInterview the same way. They all contain plenty of greatness I just never really established that kind of album-relationship to any of them.
Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: August 05 2014 at 02:30
Same here.
Posted By: PrognosticMind
Date Posted: August 05 2014 at 05:43
I was going to say, I don't think I can fully agree that the first several albums - including Octopus - are more difficult to digest than say, something like "The Power and The Glory". To each his own, though! I just love GG all around.
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: August 05 2014 at 06:22
Can agree that Schooldays is possibly my fave track of theirs.
Something magic about Three Friends.......S/T too.
Even their final album 'Civilian' isn't without merit.
Posted By: PrognosticMind
Date Posted: August 05 2014 at 09:27
I'm doing a bunch of graphic design work this afternoon, and I'm just letting my Gentle Giant discography play Gentle Giant - In'terview. According to iTunes, that's 57 songs, 4.8 hours worth of music.
Also, does anyone else hear subtle nuances of classic video game music in this stuff? I swear, everything from Final Fantasy to Ghost 'n Goblins was influenced by bands like GG.
Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: August 05 2014 at 10:32
Epignosis wrote:
My review of The Power and the Glory, I think, remains my favorite review that I've written here:
Graham Green published a novel of the same name in 1940 that loosely inspired this Gentle Giant work
of genius. The concept of this particular album is the cyclical nature of politics and the
Machiavellian manner in which people engage in them. The music (including the way the words are
sung) reflects the lyrics in an amazing way. Derek Shulman, with his authoritative and boisterous
vocals, speaks for the leader, while Kerry Minnear, quiet and docile, assumes the role of the
unassuming common man. This highly consistent work represents Gentle Giant at their absolute finest.
"Proclamation" This was the first Gentle Giant song I ever heard, and the first time I heard it, I
thought to myself, "What the hell am I listening to?" I was so dismayed that I had bought their
previous album that same day! The truth about Gentle Giant for many people though, I suspect, is
that their constant eccentricity makes them quite an acquired taste (no pun intended). For a young
man with preferences of symphonic and heavy progressive rock, this album took a few listens to
really appreciate and enjoy. The first thing one hears on this album is the cheering of a large
crowd, setting the stage for a popular leader's ascension to power over a nation, which are exactly
what the lyrics describe (from the perspective of the new chief). The music relies on piano, both
electric and otherwise, a grooving bass and drum pairing, and some peculiar arrangements, including
something like "Flight of the Bumblebee" in the middle. After a frightening and commanding vocal
section, the music becomes hushed and a bit disturbing, until the final verse comes in, much faster
in tempo than the two that came prior. The song ends with further applause- the coveted approval of
the people.
"So Sincere" Naturally, this was the second Gentle Giant song I ever heard, and my reaction was
even more pronounced then when I'd heard the previous song. I was positive that Gentle Giant was
just some weird band I would never like; remarkably, this proved not to be the case, and even this
strange little number (which I had skipped over multiple times in the past) grew on me. It begins
with an awkward riff that relies heavily on strings. The vocal melody is even weirder, but is an
integral element of the song, which is about the genuineness of the leader. It is telling that the
word "sincere" is cut off at times to produce the phrase, "so sin." The guitar solo is highly
enjoyable, highlighting Gary Green's crucial role in fitting in with such unusual arrangements.
"Aspirations" The only quiet and straightforward song on the album, "Aspirations" features quiet
electric piano, acoustic guitar, and Kerry Minnear's soft, lovely singing voice. The mildness with
which this song is performed reflects the meekness of the populace, entreating their leader to lead
them to glory, and assuring him that they are behind him. They express their complete assurance
that their leader will make all their "sorrows gone forever."
"Playing the Game" The crowning moment of the record, "Playing the Game" has a couple of recurring
themes that use Gary Green's guitar to great effect, one of which is situated after each verse, and
one that starts off the song and serves to bridge the verses. The ascending bass played during
certain repetitions of the first theme is a good approach and lends variety to a musical motif that
could have otherwise become stale. Kerry Minnear has a brief and quiet vocal part as the song fades
out in the middle before a bass riff explodes into an excellent organ solo. In the lyrics, the
leader asserts his invulnerability, pointing out that everything else exists for his purposes.
Derek Shulman gives an energetic but controlled vocal performance, demonstrating both the
authority's unbridled confidence in himself and his exacting strategies.
"Cogs in Cogs" Despite the leader's efforts, he confesses that his empty promises have not paved
the way, and now the cogs of discontent are turning. The music is fast paced and frantic,
reflecting the mounting panic of the person in charge. The piece is tightly orchestrated, and,
along with the songs immediately before and after, was one that kept me returning to this album
until it all "clicked" with me.
"No God's a Man" The music features some springy clean guitar and intriguing arrangements. It is
another highlight. The lyrics describe the cyclical nature of power, how, even after the rise of a
great and popular leader, the vacillation of the minds of the people can quickly result in a
revolution. In typical Gentle Giant fashion, the vocals overlap one another, here giving the
impression of the general population (many people out on the street, for instance) speaking about
their current state of affairs and being in agreement.
"The Face" A Cajun feel accompanies the beginning of this piece, with violin and tambourine, and
guitar and bass accompanying. The instrumental section is incredible, yet another example of Gentle
Giant's creative greatness. Green gives a respectable guitar performance, also. The words describe
a leader who realizes how unpopular his direction has become, but still urges his associates to
"wear the face that is sorry."
"Valedictory" This is a heavy rock number that reprises the melody from the first song. The
lyrics, however, reflect the opposite idea: The leader establishing his authority in "Proclamation"
is pleading with his uprising people that "things must stay; there must be no change." The very end
of the song is the sound of a tape player rewinding, perhaps inducing us to return to the beginning
and listen to the album again- or maybe reminding us that whoever assumes power after this leader is
deposed will experience the very same cycle.
(Bonus Track) "The Power and the Glory" Typically I do not review bonus tracks, but I'll make an
exception here. This short piece carries the classic Gentle Giant sound, but is much less complex.
According to one source, it didn't make the album because it had not yet been written (and Ray
Shulman thought it was the worst of three "atrocious" "commercial" songs they'd written for the
record company). Regardless of his opinion, the song is well worth having if you can get the 35th
anniversary release.
All this for the band's limpest, most lackluster effort (among the decent ones). There are those with a lot of time on their hands.
Posted By: PrognosticMind
Date Posted: August 06 2014 at 05:57
Rednight wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
My review of The Power and the Glory, I think, remains my favorite review that I've written here:
Graham Green published a novel of the same name in 1940 that loosely inspired this Gentle Giant work
of genius. The concept of this particular album is the cyclical nature of politics and the
Machiavellian manner in which people engage in them. The music (including the way the words are
sung) reflects the lyrics in an amazing way. Derek Shulman, with his authoritative and boisterous
vocals, speaks for the leader, while Kerry Minnear, quiet and docile, assumes the role of the
unassuming common man. This highly consistent work represents Gentle Giant at their absolute finest.
"Proclamation" This was the first Gentle Giant song I ever heard, and the first time I heard it, I
thought to myself, "What the hell am I listening to?" I was so dismayed that I had bought their
previous album that same day! The truth about Gentle Giant for many people though, I suspect, is
that their constant eccentricity makes them quite an acquired taste (no pun intended). For a young
man with preferences of symphonic and heavy progressive rock, this album took a few listens to
really appreciate and enjoy. The first thing one hears on this album is the cheering of a large
crowd, setting the stage for a popular leader's ascension to power over a nation, which are exactly
what the lyrics describe (from the perspective of the new chief). The music relies on piano, both
electric and otherwise, a grooving bass and drum pairing, and some peculiar arrangements, including
something like "Flight of the Bumblebee" in the middle. After a frightening and commanding vocal
section, the music becomes hushed and a bit disturbing, until the final verse comes in, much faster
in tempo than the two that came prior. The song ends with further applause- the coveted approval of
the people.
"So Sincere" Naturally, this was the second Gentle Giant song I ever heard, and my reaction was
even more pronounced then when I'd heard the previous song. I was positive that Gentle Giant was
just some weird band I would never like; remarkably, this proved not to be the case, and even this
strange little number (which I had skipped over multiple times in the past) grew on me. It begins
with an awkward riff that relies heavily on strings. The vocal melody is even weirder, but is an
integral element of the song, which is about the genuineness of the leader. It is telling that the
word "sincere" is cut off at times to produce the phrase, "so sin." The guitar solo is highly
enjoyable, highlighting Gary Green's crucial role in fitting in with such unusual arrangements.
"Aspirations" The only quiet and straightforward song on the album, "Aspirations" features quiet
electric piano, acoustic guitar, and Kerry Minnear's soft, lovely singing voice. The mildness with
which this song is performed reflects the meekness of the populace, entreating their leader to lead
them to glory, and assuring him that they are behind him. They express their complete assurance
that their leader will make all their "sorrows gone forever."
"Playing the Game" The crowning moment of the record, "Playing the Game" has a couple of recurring
themes that use Gary Green's guitar to great effect, one of which is situated after each verse, and
one that starts off the song and serves to bridge the verses. The ascending bass played during
certain repetitions of the first theme is a good approach and lends variety to a musical motif that
could have otherwise become stale. Kerry Minnear has a brief and quiet vocal part as the song fades
out in the middle before a bass riff explodes into an excellent organ solo. In the lyrics, the
leader asserts his invulnerability, pointing out that everything else exists for his purposes.
Derek Shulman gives an energetic but controlled vocal performance, demonstrating both the
authority's unbridled confidence in himself and his exacting strategies.
"Cogs in Cogs" Despite the leader's efforts, he confesses that his empty promises have not paved
the way, and now the cogs of discontent are turning. The music is fast paced and frantic,
reflecting the mounting panic of the person in charge. The piece is tightly orchestrated, and,
along with the songs immediately before and after, was one that kept me returning to this album
until it all "clicked" with me.
"No God's a Man" The music features some springy clean guitar and intriguing arrangements. It is
another highlight. The lyrics describe the cyclical nature of power, how, even after the rise of a
great and popular leader, the vacillation of the minds of the people can quickly result in a
revolution. In typical Gentle Giant fashion, the vocals overlap one another, here giving the
impression of the general population (many people out on the street, for instance) speaking about
their current state of affairs and being in agreement.
"The Face" A Cajun feel accompanies the beginning of this piece, with violin and tambourine, and
guitar and bass accompanying. The instrumental section is incredible, yet another example of Gentle
Giant's creative greatness. Green gives a respectable guitar performance, also. The words describe
a leader who realizes how unpopular his direction has become, but still urges his associates to
"wear the face that is sorry."
"Valedictory" This is a heavy rock number that reprises the melody from the first song. The
lyrics, however, reflect the opposite idea: The leader establishing his authority in "Proclamation"
is pleading with his uprising people that "things must stay; there must be no change." The very end
of the song is the sound of a tape player rewinding, perhaps inducing us to return to the beginning
and listen to the album again- or maybe reminding us that whoever assumes power after this leader is
deposed will experience the very same cycle.
(Bonus Track) "The Power and the Glory" Typically I do not review bonus tracks, but I'll make an
exception here. This short piece carries the classic Gentle Giant sound, but is much less complex.
According to one source, it didn't make the album because it had not yet been written (and Ray
Shulman thought it was the worst of three "atrocious" "commercial" songs they'd written for the
record company). Regardless of his opinion, the song is well worth having if you can get the 35th
anniversary release.
All this for the band's limpest, most lackluster effort (among the decent ones). There are those with a lot of time on their hands.
I'm just genuinely curious, sir; what is it exactly that causes this one to be unfavorable to you? I only ask because TPATG stood out immediately upon first listen to me.
Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: August 06 2014 at 06:25
Dayvenkirq wrote:
Gerinski wrote:
The discovery of GG is always a magic moment in a progger's life , ...
'Twas not the case with me. They are not that easy to get into, are you kidding me?
Well neither mine, rather than "discovery" I should have said "the moment you get them" or "the moment it clicks".
I remember buying Octopus for the Roger Dean cover when I was very young and it didn't click at all, it remained getting dust on my shelves for years, and for whatever reason my friends had not clicked with GG either. It was only much later with the internet that I realised that GG were so appreciated in the Prog circles and I gave Octopus some new chances and got some other albums, Free Hand and In a Glass House were the first next ones if I remember well, and then it all started to make sense.
Perhaps curiously the vocals were one of the things which initially put me a bit off, when they were a band who cared about vocal complexity, but their timbres were not appealing to my taste in the beginning.
Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: August 06 2014 at 16:34
PrognosticMind wrote:
Rednight wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
My review of The Power and the Glory, I think, remains my favorite review that I've written here:
Graham Green published a novel of the same name in 1940 that loosely inspired this Gentle Giant work
of genius. The concept of this particular album is the cyclical nature of politics and the
Machiavellian manner in which people engage in them. The music (including the way the words are
sung) reflects the lyrics in an amazing way. Derek Shulman, with his authoritative and boisterous
vocals, speaks for the leader, while Kerry Minnear, quiet and docile, assumes the role of the
unassuming common man. This highly consistent work represents Gentle Giant at their absolute finest.
"Proclamation" This was the first Gentle Giant song I ever heard, and the first time I heard it, I
thought to myself, "What the hell am I listening to?" I was so dismayed that I had bought their
previous album that same day! The truth about Gentle Giant for many people though, I suspect, is
that their constant eccentricity makes them quite an acquired taste (no pun intended). For a young
man with preferences of symphonic and heavy progressive rock, this album took a few listens to
really appreciate and enjoy. The first thing one hears on this album is the cheering of a large
crowd, setting the stage for a popular leader's ascension to power over a nation, which are exactly
what the lyrics describe (from the perspective of the new chief). The music relies on piano, both
electric and otherwise, a grooving bass and drum pairing, and some peculiar arrangements, including
something like "Flight of the Bumblebee" in the middle. After a frightening and commanding vocal
section, the music becomes hushed and a bit disturbing, until the final verse comes in, much faster
in tempo than the two that came prior. The song ends with further applause- the coveted approval of
the people.
"So Sincere" Naturally, this was the second Gentle Giant song I ever heard, and my reaction was
even more pronounced then when I'd heard the previous song. I was positive that Gentle Giant was
just some weird band I would never like; remarkably, this proved not to be the case, and even this
strange little number (which I had skipped over multiple times in the past) grew on me. It begins
with an awkward riff that relies heavily on strings. The vocal melody is even weirder, but is an
integral element of the song, which is about the genuineness of the leader. It is telling that the
word "sincere" is cut off at times to produce the phrase, "so sin." The guitar solo is highly
enjoyable, highlighting Gary Green's crucial role in fitting in with such unusual arrangements.
"Aspirations" The only quiet and straightforward song on the album, "Aspirations" features quiet
electric piano, acoustic guitar, and Kerry Minnear's soft, lovely singing voice. The mildness with
which this song is performed reflects the meekness of the populace, entreating their leader to lead
them to glory, and assuring him that they are behind him. They express their complete assurance
that their leader will make all their "sorrows gone forever."
"Playing the Game" The crowning moment of the record, "Playing the Game" has a couple of recurring
themes that use Gary Green's guitar to great effect, one of which is situated after each verse, and
one that starts off the song and serves to bridge the verses. The ascending bass played during
certain repetitions of the first theme is a good approach and lends variety to a musical motif that
could have otherwise become stale. Kerry Minnear has a brief and quiet vocal part as the song fades
out in the middle before a bass riff explodes into an excellent organ solo. In the lyrics, the
leader asserts his invulnerability, pointing out that everything else exists for his purposes.
Derek Shulman gives an energetic but controlled vocal performance, demonstrating both the
authority's unbridled confidence in himself and his exacting strategies.
"Cogs in Cogs" Despite the leader's efforts, he confesses that his empty promises have not paved
the way, and now the cogs of discontent are turning. The music is fast paced and frantic,
reflecting the mounting panic of the person in charge. The piece is tightly orchestrated, and,
along with the songs immediately before and after, was one that kept me returning to this album
until it all "clicked" with me.
"No God's a Man" The music features some springy clean guitar and intriguing arrangements. It is
another highlight. The lyrics describe the cyclical nature of power, how, even after the rise of a
great and popular leader, the vacillation of the minds of the people can quickly result in a
revolution. In typical Gentle Giant fashion, the vocals overlap one another, here giving the
impression of the general population (many people out on the street, for instance) speaking about
their current state of affairs and being in agreement.
"The Face" A Cajun feel accompanies the beginning of this piece, with violin and tambourine, and
guitar and bass accompanying. The instrumental section is incredible, yet another example of Gentle
Giant's creative greatness. Green gives a respectable guitar performance, also. The words describe
a leader who realizes how unpopular his direction has become, but still urges his associates to
"wear the face that is sorry."
"Valedictory" This is a heavy rock number that reprises the melody from the first song. The
lyrics, however, reflect the opposite idea: The leader establishing his authority in "Proclamation"
is pleading with his uprising people that "things must stay; there must be no change." The very end
of the song is the sound of a tape player rewinding, perhaps inducing us to return to the beginning
and listen to the album again- or maybe reminding us that whoever assumes power after this leader is
deposed will experience the very same cycle.
(Bonus Track) "The Power and the Glory" Typically I do not review bonus tracks, but I'll make an
exception here. This short piece carries the classic Gentle Giant sound, but is much less complex.
According to one source, it didn't make the album because it had not yet been written (and Ray
Shulman thought it was the worst of three "atrocious" "commercial" songs they'd written for the
record company). Regardless of his opinion, the song is well worth having if you can get the 35th
anniversary release.
All this for the band's limpest, most lackluster effort (among the decent ones). There are those with a lot of time on their hands.
I'm just genuinely curious, sir; what is it exactly that causes this one to be unfavorable to you? I only ask because TPATG stood out immediately upon first listen to me.
It's limp and lackluster, and certainly unassured of itself; generally pales in comparison to all earlier efforts. Can't say it enough. Do like "Cogs in Cogs".
Posted By: Genital Giant
Date Posted: August 06 2014 at 19:45
The Power And The Glory is a great album for GG. To me it kicks off their best period with their most sophisticated and mature music. TPATG followed by Free Hand and then Interview is the band's best work, as far as I'm concerned.
Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: August 06 2014 at 22:18
Genital Giant wrote:
The Power And The Glory is a great album for GG. To me it kicks off their best period with their most sophisticated and mature music. TPATG followed by Free Hand and then Interview is the band's best work, as far as I'm concerned.
Not true. The debut album through In a Glass House offers up what made Gently Giant riotously boss and bitchin'. I'm afraid you missed it, so back and give the pre-TPATG albums another go round.
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: August 07 2014 at 12:46
Genital Giant wrote:
The Power And The Glory is a great album for GG. To me it kicks off their best period with their most sophisticated and mature music. TPATG followed by Free Hand and then Interview is the band's best work, as far as I'm concerned.
Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: August 07 2014 at 12:54
richardh wrote:
Genital Giant wrote:
The Power And The Glory is a great album for GG. To me it kicks off their best period with their most sophisticated and mature music. TPATG followed by Free Hand and then Interview is the band's best work, as far as I'm concerned.
And I suppose Giant For a Day and Civilian went on to magnificently conclude this wonderful era for the band.
Posted By: Michael678
Date Posted: August 07 2014 at 13:19
Gerinski wrote:
Michael678 wrote:
omfg, i am one step closer to checking these "monster musicians" out one of these days. if you say that its THAT complex, im listening to it. and im 15 for crying out loud!!
You're gonna freak out (but don't understand "complexity" in the modern meaning of Prog-Metal, Tech-Extreme etc).
ill keep that in mind lol
------------- Progrockdude
Posted By: PrognosticMind
Date Posted: August 07 2014 at 13:29
Genital Giant wrote:
The Power And The Glory is a great album for GG. To me it kicks off their best period with their most sophisticated and mature music. TPATG followed by Free Hand and then Interview is the band's best work, as far as I'm concerned.
I couldn't agree more!
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: August 09 2014 at 02:18
Rednight wrote:
richardh wrote:
Genital Giant wrote:
The Power And The Glory is a great album for GG. To me it kicks off their best period with their most sophisticated and mature music. TPATG followed by Free Hand and then Interview is the band's best work, as far as I'm concerned.
And I suppose Giant For a Day and Civilian went on to magnificently conclude this wonderful era for the band.
Gentle Giant freely admit they stopped being a prog band after Interview so what you say is a bit fatuous tbh.
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: August 09 2014 at 13:40
richardh wrote:
Gentle Giant freely admit they stopped being a prog band after Interview so what you say is a bit fatuous tbh.
Oh...so then they were trying to be a prog band before that.
That explains it then.
------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin
Posted By: Ludjak
Date Posted: August 11 2014 at 05:31
I think I'd still rather listen to Giant for a Day and Civilian than anything Genesis recorded after Peter Gabriel and Steve Hackett left, to be honest (not to mention most of Jethro Tull's 80s and 90s output). Just because it isn't "prog" does not make these two records that bad.
Posted By: Dr. Occulator
Date Posted: August 11 2014 at 18:16
Ludjak wrote:
I think I'd still rather listen to Giant for a Day and Civilian than anything Genesis recorded after Peter Gabriel and Steve Hackett left, to be honest (not to mention most of Jethro Tull's 80s and 90s output). Just because it isn't "prog" does not make these two records that bad.
Giant for a Day has Thank You and Friends which I think are both great songs Some of the other tunes are a little weak. As far as Civilian goes I think it was a great prog/pop album with no weak tracks. I still play it frequently.
------------- My Doc Told Me I Have Doggie Head.
Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: August 11 2014 at 18:52
Ludjak wrote:
I think I'd still rather listen to Giant for a Day and Civilian than anything Genesis recorded after Peter Gabriel and Steve Hackett left, to be honest (not to mention most of Jethro Tull's 80s and 90s output). Just because it isn't "prog" does not make these two records that bad.
True, but it's still just poorly crafted pop music. It seems selling-out was a popular thing to do in the 80s.
------------- “Music is enough for a lifetime but a lifetime is not enough for music.” - Sergei Rachmaninov
Posted By: PrognosticMind
Date Posted: August 12 2014 at 05:24
Mirror Image wrote:
Ludjak wrote:
I think I'd still rather listen to Giant for a Day and Civilian than anything Genesis recorded after Peter Gabriel and Steve Hackett left, to be honest (not to mention most of Jethro Tull's 80s and 90s output). Just because it isn't "prog" does not make these two records that bad.
True, but it's still just poorly crafted pop music. It seems selling-out was a popular thing to do in the 80s.
Capitalizing on bad trends was definitely the norm in those days. At least in the 70's, all of those bands were ripping off GOOD ideas from one another, lol.