3 Punk Albums
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Topic: 3 Punk Albums
Posted By: Xonty
Subject: 3 Punk Albums
Date Posted: June 09 2014 at 14:31
I know this completely isn't prog rock but I want to see what your favourite classic punk debut is from people with a prog perspective. For me, it's actually The Damned. Been looking for that album for ages but still can't find it. Never really got into the Clash (although "London Calling" is a great single) and Sex Pistols is a bit too serious and stifled IMO. Still love it though  Thanks for any feedback
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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: June 09 2014 at 14:39
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FYI, you can create polls in the "General Music Discussion" forum, which is where this belongs. Those are usually cited as the first three major British punk releases. I think the Sex Pistols is the best of the three by far. I adore the Damned but don't think they really got good until their third album. I feel similarly about The Clash - they both weren't very good punk bands but they were great eclectic rock bands once they matured a bit. The Sex Pistols, on the other hand, made a real sizzler with their first and only album (not counting Great R&R Swindle). ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: June 09 2014 at 15:15
| I don't own any of those albums but I gave a vote to The Damned as they covered Alone Again Or on a later album. A punk band with obviously good taste. Also Rat Scabies is a total Phil Collins 'fanboy' (absolutely true I'm not making this up) |
Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: June 09 2014 at 15:20
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Wire : Pink Flag http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPIDtWqS8qc The Buzzcoks : Spiral Scratch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFJ71w_ez6Y
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Posted By: Kirillov
Date Posted: June 09 2014 at 15:54
| The Damned |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 09 2014 at 16:01
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They're all crap. ------------- What? |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: June 09 2014 at 16:03
Cobblers. They're not that good. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Dean wrote:Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: June 09 2014 at 16:11
I don't have very much liking for the genre at all, but I vote for Bollocks, which is for punk of similar status as ItChycoCK is for progressive rock  .Btw, this is not a prog poll
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: June 09 2014 at 16:34
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I like The Damned. That's probably the first time I've heard the Pistols referred to as "too serious".
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: June 09 2014 at 17:26
Yep. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: CryoftheCarrots
Date Posted: June 09 2014 at 17:39
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Bollocks!
I bought that album same year I bought Genesis/Yes/King Crimson etc.etc.
The other 2 are great as well. Ah memories of the late 70's going to punk clubs.
------------- "There is a lot in this world to be tense and intense about" MJK |
Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: June 09 2014 at 18:09
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The Sex Pistols, one of the few punk bands worth listening to. ------------- The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty" |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: June 09 2014 at 23:26
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I've always loved the Clash. I have no shame. ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: June 09 2014 at 23:45
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Wrong fourm..
Don't like any of those albums. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: June 10 2014 at 05:32
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First Clash album sent me to sleep I was so bored. Bollocks was a laugh here and there but irritating... do I have to hear any more of this torture... Why did these guys think that hearing badly played 2 chord thrashes would make them endearing. They sold their records at least as expensive as those more prominently featured on this site. The hate remains the same... I remember once a few years ago my Led Zeppelin T shirt exchanging nasty glances with a Sex Pistols apparel substitute walking on by... It's just a punk thing, even that negative crap could not stifle creativity as the new Wave had some music happening... |
Posted By: dedokras
Date Posted: June 10 2014 at 06:02
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I consider the Sex Pistols debut to be one of the best and most important rock albums ever, all songs are pretty much ageless.
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Posted By: Rick Robson
Date Posted: June 10 2014 at 08:44
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I don't own anything of this genre, but am guessing what was the importance of Ramones, as once I listened to a version they made from the music "What a wonderful world" by Louis Armstrong and I think maybe they've got a good taste. -------------  "Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy." LvB |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: June 10 2014 at 08:56
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The punk "movement" was invented by the majors or by the press or by both, I don't know exactly. Even if I was around it was not so clear to me. As it happens with any stereotyped genre, the punk artists should be "simple", "short", "offending" and most of all "unable to play". This resulted in a bunch of good musicians trying to appear unskilled. The Clash were one. The Ramones were from the other side of the Ocean, where the influence of Velvet Underground was still strong. They and Patti Smith were in some ways sons of Lou Reed and John Cale and this made the difference with the British punk bands. I never liked Sex Pistols too much, but I really loved and still love listening to the Clash and to Patti Smith. London Calling and Horses are two great albums from the period of classic prog decline. ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 10 2014 at 09:03
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^ I think not. The history of Punk is well documented so there is no need to guess and speculate an origin. ------------- What? |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: June 10 2014 at 09:12
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Like myself, all three have not aged particularly gracefully. The import of the 1st Clash album is religiously and dogmatically overstated, the Pistols were by definition a singles band and the Damned were the proto Goth babysitters for the sort of pallid bed-wetters that even cosmetic morbidity would fail to enhance aesthetically or sonically. I live in Australia and there is a thriving Goth scene here, but why would such a phenomenon exist in a sub tropical climate (Are there Phillipino, Pacific Islander and Singaporean Goths sweltering under Tim Burton designed ceiling fans?) All said, Lydon (alone) matured into PIL while the Clash grew into the masterpiece that is London Calling. The Damned did subsequently record some decent stuff 'Smash It Up' and "Curtain Call' spring to mind but thereafter, the lure of the corpse paint proved too much and Phantasmagoria must even bring a blush to the cheeks of bona fide palefaces ------------- 
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: June 10 2014 at 10:33
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Moved to general music discussions. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 10 2014 at 11:01
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music? ------------- What? |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: June 10 2014 at 11:12
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Something akin to it anyway ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: proggman
Date Posted: June 12 2014 at 11:32
Never Mind the Bollocks, Here's the Sex Pistols------------- When he rides, my fears subside. For darkness turns once more to light. Through the skies, his white horse flies. To find a land beyond the night. |
Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: June 12 2014 at 11:49
I suppose if you felt that way, it could go in the general discussion thread? But, anyway you sound like my Dad! Haha! I will go with NMTB,HTSP as it still sound good to my (tinnitus affected) ears! ------------- Help me I'm falling! |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 12 2014 at 12:24
You can read a lot into the few words I've posted in this thread so far.
The Clash did better things, collectively on London Calling, (though the generations of dire ska-punk white reggae bands it spurned cast a bleak shadow over its legacy) and individually on the various solo projects they've been involved in (even This Is B.A.D. is more listenable than this eponymous Clash offering). The Dammed also did better things and managed to scrape together an album that I find quite enjoyable in the form of The Black Album, something that would be an impossible feat if it were not for Curtain Call, but Dammed! Dammed! Dammed! (okay, okay, okay, I heard you the first time) is plain bloody awful. The Pistols and all the "musicians" that were ever a part of that band never did better things, (anyone who questions this should be locked in a brightly lit sealed room listening to Ghosts of Princes in Towers on repeat until snot bleeds from their ears), thankfully non-musician John Lydon did manage to foist his ego upon us in a form that can be regarded as both interesting and ground-breaking, and for that we can be grateful, (and I don't mean the Country Life adverts). Never Mind The Bollocks, Here's The Tax Exiles is a second-rate, badly-played Status Quo pastiche that wasn't that great in 1977 and hasn't survived the test of time (it just gets worse with every play). Never good to begin with, all three of these albums have aged terribly - as I said before, they are all crap - Punk produced some good stuff, and evolved into even greater stuff, it's just not to be found in this poll. ------------- What? |
Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: June 12 2014 at 12:39
I kind of agree with you when it comes to The Clashes first and probably second albums. There are one or two tracks I still listen to - mostly 'What's My Name' as it's thumping. As is the whole if well, almost the whole of the Damned's first album - Neat Neat Neat (What is it with these guys) and New Rose are a couple of the best 'punk records ever by anyone and worth the entrance price alone. I still enjoy NMTB and I know that deep down its plain old vanilla R & R. But, it has bollocks, and it is vicious. and JR spits his way through. ------------- Help me I'm falling! |
Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: June 12 2014 at 12:41
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The Black Album is pretty average fare in my book saved by 'Curtain Call' took cojones to do that. And the blistering live set - The Damned were sh*t hot live. But, Sensible's a w**ker!.
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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: June 12 2014 at 12:47
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"Holidays in the Sun" took my breath away the first time I heard it, and it still grabs me every time. It was probably the single song that turned me into a punk fan. Rotten/Lydon's vocal on it is probably the main thing that sets it apart. He's just brilliant on that whole record. Still I wouldn't put the album on my top 10 list or anything. But it did get the ball rolling for me. ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: King Only
Date Posted: June 12 2014 at 12:56
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My favorite sort-of-punk albums: THE STOOGES - Fun House. SUICIDE - Suicide. CHROME - Alien Soundtracks. SIOUXSIE AND THE BANSHEES - The Scream. THE POLICE - Outlandos d'Amour. CABARET VOLTAIRE - Mix Up. KILLING JOKE - Killing Joke. BAUHAUS - In The Flat Field. THE SISTERS OF MERCY - Some Girls Wander By Mistake. GANG OF FOUR - Solid Gold. THE BIRTHDAY PARTY - Junkyard. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 12 2014 at 16:04
Sort of? None of those are punk. ------------- What? |
Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: June 12 2014 at 16:07
Cheats , all of them! They heard 'Editions of You', 'Remake-Remodel'and 'Do the Strand' , put stupid metal things up their orifices and blackmailed the media into slaying the pompous asses (yes, prog!  ) . Frankly, they can sod off! Sid Vicious, musician  ! ------------- I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth. |
Posted By: Luna
Date Posted: June 12 2014 at 16:09
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: June 13 2014 at 01:09
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London Calling is a great song , as much as I dislike the ethos surrounding the movement there were some great tracks Gary Gilmore's Eyes - The Adverts New Rose - The Damned Anarchy In The UK - Sex Pistols there was an awful lot of crap though |
Posted By: King Crimson776
Date Posted: June 13 2014 at 02:56
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I never got why, even after something is "moved", I still see it in the wrong section too. Punk is inherently bad music. That was even the point for a lot of the bands. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: June 14 2014 at 01:37
I wouldn't go that far. The original punk bands had energy and could be very exciting but then the reality set in and you had crap like The Ruts getting in the charts. I would argue that the Pistols were a great rock n roll band but with few ideas. Rotten (Liden) knew that and formed the more interesting PIL. He even got Ginger Baker involved although later disowned the project because his street cred was in dispute presumably. (didn't stop him 'doing lunch' with Keith Emerson though
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Posted By: unclemeat69
Date Posted: June 14 2014 at 03:50
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Of the ones in the list I voted for the Damned (partially because of New Rose en because I like the other two albums less). About the only punk I have are The Ramones (they sound to me more like 50's/60's teenage pop on steroids) and Crass whose first album Feeding of the 5000 is one of my favorite punkalbums. ------------- Follow your bliss |
Posted By: Earendil
Date Posted: June 14 2014 at 12:12
| I haven't listened to the third option, but I love the Sex Pistols, and I don't think the Clash are all they're made out to be |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: June 14 2014 at 12:46
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Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: June 14 2014 at 12:52
I know. Dean's not often wrong. Still always a first. ------------- Help me I'm falling! |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: June 14 2014 at 12:53
Maybe, but I prefer London Calling to Love Beach, Merci, Camera Camera, Abacab and things of this kind. ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: KingCrInuYasha
Date Posted: June 16 2014 at 13:35
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I have the first and a good chunk of the second on a two disc "Best of". They're alright. I prefer Raw Power by Iggy & The Stooges, personally. BTW, for the Clash's choice, are you referring to the original British release or the cobbled together version released two years later in the US? ------------- He looks at this world and wants it all... so he strikes, like Thunderball! |
Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: June 16 2014 at 13:38
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As I'm not much of a punk fan, the only one of those three bands that I like is The Clash, so that's where my vote goes. However, my favorite punk(ish) album is The Pogues - If I Should Fall From Grace With God. ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: June 16 2014 at 13:51
| Sorry, but is like voting for the best British Invasion band and you're stuck with the DC5, but I'll go Clash for lack of anyone better. |