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Topic: The Motorsport Thread 2014
Posted By: sleeper
Subject: The Motorsport Thread 2014
Date Posted: January 05 2014 at 15:38
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Thought we could do with a new one for the new year, and I'll start by saying "Get well soon Michael Schumacher" as it's now a week since his horrific skiing accident. Kubica's had a good start to the year winning the ERC opening Janner Rally in Austria today. He's doing the full WRC with an M-Sport Ford Fiesta WRC car entered under his own name, he used Janner as a test run for Monte Carlo later this month. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005 
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Posted By: MillsLayne
Date Posted: January 05 2014 at 21:09
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^I second that. Although, who knows when he'll come out of his coma. Best wishes. Anyway, I'm hoping for a good, less tragic season in all forms. Top things I'd like to see this year: a new F1 champion, a "re-born" JPM back in Indycar to contend, Kyle Busch's first Cup championship and some of these younger up and coming NASCAR drivers to make a splash this year. ------------- http://gamercards.exophase.com/xbox/user/MillsLayne/" rel="nofollow">  ht |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: January 06 2014 at 00:16
I also echo the statements about Schumi. Crazy that it's been a week already. Best of luck to him. 
Can't wait for the 24 hours of Daytona. I missed it the last two years...I certainly won't this year. (If they still show it without Speed existing anymore that is.) ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: January 06 2014 at 06:34
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Daytona's going to be interesting, it's the first year of the United Sports Car Championship (USC) since the "merger" between the ALMS and Grand-Am (more like Grand-Am buying out the ALMS but it has worked out like a merger). Testing at the weekend showed the DP's to be about 1.5s faster than the LMP2's at Daytona but we'll see how it goes come the race.
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: January 06 2014 at 08:26
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Indeed, best of luck Schumi. Here's to a good 2014 season. Maybe the next new aero package for F1 that will work for 1/3 or maybe 1/2 half the season before Vettel dominates again?  |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: January 06 2014 at 10:37
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The engines are likely to be more important. I can see working out the grids for the final few races being a real pain in the backside with all the penalties for engine changes that'll have to be dished out.
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: January 16 2014 at 09:34
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Crazy start to Rally Monte Carlo today, lots of mud and snow on the stages, at one point we had the front wheel drive WRC3 class Citroen of Sebastian Chardonnet in 4th overall (there's something about that name Sebastian)! Kubica's ending the day 3rd overall, 0.7s off 2nd place Kris Meeke, Colin McRae's former protege, after leading the first two stages. Bryan Bouffier leads by 40s on what is probably a one off drive.
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: January 17 2014 at 07:28
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Kubica's crashed out today on "black top" (asphault that is almost pure bitchumin and has almost no grip at all to it), he was all set to retake 3rd from Meeke and was the only person who could match Ogier, who has now jumped into the lead, on that stage until his crash. Ron Dennis has been made McLaren Group CEO again. He's not the team principle but it does give him a lot more input, Martin Whitmarsh will probably end up loosing his job. May put an end to Alonso wanting to return as well as he really doesn't like Dennis. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: January 21 2014 at 06:46
Caterham have announced their line up today to complete the grid, surprisingly it's Kobayashi and GP2 racer Marcus Ericsson. Red Bull-Renault Sebastian Vettel Daniel Ricciardo Mercedes Lewis Hamilton Nico Rosberg Ferrari Fernando Alonso Kimi Raikkonen Lotus-Renault Romain Grosjean Pastor Maldonado McLaren-Mercedes Jenson Button Kevin Magnussen Force India-Mercedes Nico Hulkenberg Sergio Perez Sauber-Ferrari Adrian Sutil Esteban Gutierrez Toro Rosso-Renault Jean-Eric Vergne Daniil Kvyat Williams-Mercedes Felipe Massa Valtteri Bottas Marussia-Ferrari Jules Bianchi Max Chilton Caterham-Renault Kamui Kobayashi Marcus Ericsson ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: January 22 2014 at 01:37
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Posted By: MillsLayne
Date Posted: January 22 2014 at 02:29
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I love seeing Kobayashi having a ride again, no matter who it's with. I love that guy. ------------- http://gamercards.exophase.com/xbox/user/MillsLayne/" rel="nofollow"> ht |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: January 22 2014 at 17:32
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^ Most definitely agree. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: January 24 2014 at 07:48
First new car launch, the McLaren MP4-29. That anteater nose (to put it politely, you should see some of the names people have been calling it) will be on almost all cars this year due to yet more poorly thought out rules. Lotus seem to be the exception as a 3D render they've released shows them with a walrus type nose. There's been a bit of upheaval at the team recently, Ron Dennis successfully got himself back in as McLaren Group CEO and it seems Martin Whitmarsh has been sacked to be replaced with Lotus Eric Boullier. It's not been announced yet but Eric has definitely left Lotus. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: January 24 2014 at 11:43
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F1 always did need more penis jokes IMO. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: January 24 2014 at 13:04
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There's no shortage of them now!
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: January 28 2014 at 17:18
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First day of testing, very unreliable. Kimi got the most laps in at 31 (though he did only make it to turn 5 on his first lap) but a lot of teams only did a handful. Mercedes were looking very good until Hamilton had a front wing failure that put him into the turn1 barrier. McLaren didn't go out at all, Red Bull only put in a couple of instillation laps at the very end of the day, Caterham only did 1 lap in what is probably the ugliest car I've ever seen and Lotus wont turn up until Bahrain testing in a couple weeks.
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: January 30 2014 at 15:06
| Great to see Kam back!! Crap team but better than nothing. Also I read doctors are starting the process of lifting Schumacher's coma. |
Posted By: MillsLayne
Date Posted: January 30 2014 at 16:35
I loved reading about Schumi possibly starting the process to come back from his coma. Great news.
NASCAR has, surprisingly  , changed the Chase format again, this time involving elimination stages. It's like they just don't care anymore about the purity of the sport. Although, the same could've been said 10 years ago when the Chase first began.------------- http://gamercards.exophase.com/xbox/user/MillsLayne/" rel="nofollow"> ht |
JJLehto wrote:Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: January 30 2014 at 16:46
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^ I was just going to post about the Nascar news. What a terrible move IMO.
For those interested in the details (which I imagine is just me and Millsy): http://t.foxsports.msn.com/nascar/done-deal-nascar-announces-overhaul-to-chase-format ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: January 30 2014 at 17:45
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Also, once again I've missed the 24 hours of Daytona. Didn't even see it listed on Foxsports 1. Anyway, don't know who won but this made the internet.
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: January 30 2014 at 20:07
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^Your links broken. Action Express won, DP's wiped the floor with the LMP2's and Memo Gidley had a monster crash into the back of a crawling Ferrari that left him with serious back injuries (I assume thats what the video links to). Red Bull are having a nightmare in testing, they've done less than 15 laps in three days and have admitted they're in a bit of trouble though I wouldn't wright them off just yet, whilst McLaren did 90+ today and Mercedes the same yesterday. McLaren also topped the times yesterday and today and it's looking like them, Mercedes and Ferrari are in the best shape so far. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: January 30 2014 at 20:12
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Lol...not surpised. I can't seem to post links on this website anymore. I can very easily on JMA (and facebook and the like)...silly PA...
But yes indeed. It was the wreck. Made the front page of MSN.com when it happened. Only thing that alerted me to the 24 hours happening. Thanks for the 24 hour news as well.
Interesting thing with the Red bull. Too early, I think, to really be worried for them. And at least Ferrari seems to be starting on the right foot this year. We shall see how long that lasts.  ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: January 31 2014 at 10:56
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Missed the 24 as well. I'm going to try to make '14 the year I buckle down and watch every Indy race. I've been getting better each year LOL
Quite excited for F1, esp the Kimi/Fernando Ferrari team
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: January 31 2014 at 12:41
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Massa ended the last day fastest for Williams, whilst Mercedes were the first team to start running race simulations. In terms of preparation I think Merc are miles ahead of everyone. Red Bull completed a grand total of 21 laps for the four days, whilst McLaren, Mercedes and Ferrari all did over 100 laps today alone. I've read a lot of comments about cars getting sideways under power out of corners, I think we could be in for a wild start to the season.
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: February 04 2014 at 17:43
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Massa on Williams. What a strange sight. |
Posted By: MillsLayne
Date Posted: February 16 2014 at 17:59
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Austin Dillon grabbed the pole today for next Sunday's Daytona 500, with Martin Truex, Jr. (now in the 78) starting on the outside pole. I think he's the 5th rookie to get the pole for the 500, too. I just hope we don't have to hear about the fabled "3" all week now, but I'm sure we will. Anyway, those two are locked into their respective spots (barring a crash or something in the Duels on Thursday), while everyone else has to race on Thursday to determine where they start.
Here are the starting lineups for Thursday:
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Posted By: MillsLayne
Date Posted: February 23 2014 at 17:30
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Damn rain in Daytona. Again.
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: February 23 2014 at 17:39
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Hopefully someone hits the track dryer again. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: MillsLayne
Date Posted: February 23 2014 at 19:27
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Hopefully nothing else crazy happens for the rest of the night. Daytona has had some strange occurrences over the past few years.
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: February 23 2014 at 22:54
Congrats to Dale Jr!! 
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: February 23 2014 at 22:56
Indeed! A feel good, all around win if there ever was one.  ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: MillsLayne
Date Posted: February 23 2014 at 22:56
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Yeah, twas a good race. Would've preferred Gordon or Kyle Busch, but oh well. Jr. seemed pretty happy after that one.
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: February 23 2014 at 22:57
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Ah ya beat me to it! I was just about to say, this is the only win more "feel good" than Kanaan finally taking the Indy 500. But yeah, even though I've been out of NASCAR for years, can't help but like this. Good stuff
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: February 24 2014 at 06:59
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So they finally got the 500 going, last I saw off it the track was waterlogged. F1's second test finished on Saturday in Bahrain. Rosberg was fastest for the week, less than a second from his poll lap from last year, and with more pace expected to come, completely blowing out of the water the myth that these cars were going to be slower than GP2 (unless you have a Renault engine, in which case your f**ked). I'm going to say it now, Vettel will not be champion, at this point it's going to be a real challenge for Red Bull to reach the end of races. I'd say the fight will be between McLaren and Mercedes for the title, though I don't think Ferrari have pushed on for lap times yet so who knows where they will be. Williams are looking very good as well, they're so far along with their development program that they're even doing pitstop practice, most other teams could only dream of being in that position. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: February 27 2014 at 22:37
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Wow! Bold claim. We shall see my friend, (much as I'd like some competition for the title) that is just hard to support. McLaren and Merc being in the fight are quite rational, and I wouldn't be shocked to see Ferrari a bit off :( Haven't seen Williams good since 2003! Would be nice to see, I liked that team back in the day with JPM
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: February 28 2014 at 06:22
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Not so much, they packed up halfway through yesterday's testing as they were overheating the car again and Ricciardo was only 0.7 faster than Bianchi's Marussia. I can see them winning races in the second half of the year but by then they'll have lost too much to remotely have a chance at the title. Williams have been very stop/start in recent years with a good 09/10, terrible 11, good 12 (that would have been better if Senna could qualify and Maldonado didn't harpoon everybody) and dreadful 13. Time for another good year but they've gained sponsorship from Martini, Petrobras and Banco do Brasil, have Massa and Bottas as drivers and have hired Pat Symonds and Rob Smedley on the engineering side, so they're definitely looking up quite a bit. In other news, Villeneuve has signed up for the Indy 500 with Schmidt Peterson, the first time he would have raced on the oval since he won it in 95. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: February 28 2014 at 08:50
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Ah. As I've said F1 news (or data or anything!) is rarer here than....IDK I'm tired. But yeah, it's non existent That does change the picture a bit. Will be a true test of Vettel! I guess depends how strictly you want to define "good". Those were some solid years, and yeah Pastor could've dne a good bit better than he did (I still maintain that ONE time was Hamilton's) but anyway I was thinking back to the days when they were consistently winning. Which was 2003
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: February 28 2014 at 09:33
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It's been a long time since they were genuine front runners but I can see them and Force India getting several podium finishes this year.
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: February 28 2014 at 11:32
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Indeed, been a fan of Force India. That would be nice, podium contention but yeah been ages since they were a real threat. With JPM and Ralf, I really liked that team. Ah well. Hoping for a good, exciting year!
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Posted By: MillsLayne
Date Posted: March 02 2014 at 15:17
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I feel like things are going to shake up quite a bit this year in F1. That could just be wild hope on my end, but it seems like Red Bull aren't completely on their game right now. That, or their just playing mind games.
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: March 02 2014 at 16:40
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Sandbagging wasn't an option this year for any team, the new engines, they're cooling and control systems were just too complex to allow for any of that. Red Bull will be fast, but unless there's a big change soon they won't be making it to the end of races just yet. Williams are definitely fast this year, Massa ended up with the fastest time of all this week in the final test and beat Rosbergs time from last week which we know was a low fuel qualy run (which he and Hamilton matched yesterday and today). If I had to guess, this is how I'd rate the teams at the moment. Mercedes Williams McLaren Ferrari Force India Sauber Red Bull Torro Rosso Lotus Marussia Caterham ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 05 2014 at 12:54
| Ha! Imagine a Massa return to form...on Williams! |
Posted By: MillsLayne
Date Posted: March 06 2014 at 22:01
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Might be an interesting year in F1! Finally!
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 09 2014 at 17:14
| I thought we've had some really great years for a while now (hell going back to 2005 pretty much) but the rise of Vettel has kind of put a damper on that yeah |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: March 14 2014 at 06:23
Practice times from Melbourne.Pos Driver Team/Car Time Gap Laps 1. Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 1m29.625s 37 2. Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1m29.782s +0.157s 31 3. Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1m30.132s +0.507s 28 4. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1m30.381s +0.756s 41 5. Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1m30.510s +0.885s 33 6. Daniel Ricciardo Red Bull-Renault 1m30.538s +0.913s 38 7. Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari 1m30.898s +1.273s 32 8. Valtteri Bottas Williams-Mercedes 1m30.920s +1.295s 38 9. Kevin Magnussen McLaren-Mercedes 1m31.031s +1.406s 34 10. Nico Hulkenberg Force India-Mercedes 1m31.054s +1.429s 33 11. Jean-Eric Vergne Toro Rosso-Renault 1m31.060s +1.435s 35 12. Felipe Massa Williams-Mercedes 1m31.119s +1.494s 31 13. Sergio Perez Force India-Mercedes 1m31.283s +1.658s 36 14. Adrian Sutil Sauber-Ferrari 1m32.355s +2.730s 36 15. Esteban Gutierrez Sauber-Ferrari 1m32.468s +2.843s 26 16. Daniil Kvyat Toro Rosso-Renault 1m32.495s +2.870s 36 17. Jules Bianchi Marussia-Ferrari 1m33.486s +3.861s 29 18. Romain Grosjean Lotus-Renault 1m33.646s +4.021s 12 19. Max Chilton Marussia-Ferrari 1m34.757s +5.132s 29 20. Marcus Ericsson Caterham-Renault 1 21. Pastor Maldonado Lotus-Renault 22. Kamui Kobayashi Caterham-Renault ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 14 2014 at 11:41
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So stoked! Interested to see how Ricciardo does at RBR
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: March 15 2014 at 02:24
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A fun, wet qualifying session.
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: March 15 2014 at 11:29
Excellent qualy, those cars are definitely entertaining to watch on a fast lap. Bottas and Gutierrez both get 5 place penalties for Gearbox changes, Raikkonen crashed on an in lap and Vettel and Button were both caught out by the resultant yellows. Pos Driver Team/Car Time Gap
1. Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 1m44.231s
2. Daniel Ricciardo Red Bull-Renault 1m44.548s +0.317s
3. Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1m44.595s +0.364s
4. Kevin Magnussen McLaren-Mercedes 1m45.745s +1.514s
5. Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1m45.819s +1.588s
6. Jean-Eric Vergne Toro Rosso-Renault 1m45.864s +1.633s
7. Nico Hulkenberg Force India-Mercedes 1m46.030s +1.799s
8. Daniil Kvyat Toro Rosso-Renault 1m47.360s +3.129s
9. Felipe Massa Williams-Mercedes 1m48.079s +3.848s
10. Valtteri Bottas Williams-Mercedes 1m48.147s +3.916s
Q3 cut-off: 1m44.331s **
11. Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1m44.437s +2.173s
12. Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari 1m44.494s +2.230s
13. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1m44.668s +2.404s
14. Adrian Sutil Sauber-Ferrari 1m45.655s +3.391s
15. Kamui Kobayashi Caterham-Renault 1m45.867s +3.603s
16. Sergio Perez Force India-Mercedes 1m47.293s +5.029s
Q2 cut-off: 1m34.274s ***
17. Max Chilton Marussia-Ferrari 1m34.293s +4.118s
18. Jules Bianchi Marussia-Ferrari 1m34.794s +4.619s
19. Esteban Gutierrez Sauber-Ferrari 1m35.117s +4.942s
20. Marcus Ericsson Caterham-Renault 1m35.157s +4.982s
21. Romain Grosjean Lotus-Renault 1m36.993s +6.818s
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 15 2014 at 13:25
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So far so good on your prediction Merc would be the class of the field (I know, just one race in haha) It was a rainy quali? Guess that explains it, I was gunna say look at Ricciardo and Magnussen up there!
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: March 15 2014 at 14:28
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Yeah, rained towards the end of Q1 and stayed wet. Williams were much faster in the dry than wet so they're actually kind of out of position, should be higher up. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 15 2014 at 17:37
| Massive lolz to be had if Massa wins a title with Wiliams this year. |
Posted By: MillsLayne
Date Posted: March 15 2014 at 21:19
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I'm hoping for a more competitive McLaren this year. Or a more competitive JB. ------------- http://gamercards.exophase.com/xbox/user/MillsLayne/" rel="nofollow"> ht |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: March 16 2014 at 01:21
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What a mad start!
Good thing to see Marussia is a nice constant to last year though. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 16 2014 at 04:43
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Missed the race due to drinking, but TY technology! DVR'd that sh*t, and watched it later, and with the ability to skip commercials. What a race! Craziness before it even started, classic lap 1 crash, both Lewis and Vettel having to retire due to lacking power. Nutty stuff, and what an awesome top 10. Congrats to Rosberg on the dominant win. Huge congrats Ricciardo and Magnussen, brilliant drives. Bottas scores a career high, and Hulk, Vergne and Kvyat all sneaking in there. Nice job all. Lackluster from Ferrari, but I guess that's not unexpected...though Kimi was locking up like it was in fashion.
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: March 16 2014 at 11:48
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Excellent race, was pleasantly surprised that they ran most of the race without fuel saving, even with the safety car and aborted start. Given that Melbourne is one of the toughest races for fuel consumption thats pretty good for the rest of the season. However, it wouldn't be F1 without some controversy. Ricciardo has been excluded for his engine regularly exceeding the 100kg/h fuel flow rate maximum, though Red Bull has appealed. A real shame because he drove brilliantly and I never thought that either Red Bull would get to the finish, let alone on the podium. From what I gather from reading the stewards explanation, RB didn't trust the sensor and implemented their own measurement system, which isn't allowed without the FIA's say so anyway, and refused to turn down the flow rate when the FIA told them they were exceeding the maximum during the race. I can't see them winning this appeal at all. That raises the brilliant Magnussen to 2nd and Button to 3rd. Bottas was entertaining, and he scored more points today than Williams had in all of last year! Bring on Malaysia. Also watched the Sebring 12 hours yesterday, entertaining race but some of the LMPC amateurs need their licenses revoked, Tagliani could have been seriously injured when Kearby spin-turned right infront of him and caused a huge accident. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 16 2014 at 12:34
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Just saw the Ricciardo DQ, damn that's rough. It was indeed a great race. LOTS of season to go, and I expect RBR and Ferrari to keep slogging it out, but right now certainy Merc and McLaren seem to be the tops. |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: March 16 2014 at 12:54
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Don't count out Williams, certainly Bottas race pace was a match for the McLarens and Red Bulls. Turns out Kobayashi's crash at the start with Massa wasn't a mistake but rear brake failure. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 16 2014 at 13:00
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Indeed, gotta give it to you there as well, Williams was on a good pace. I'm sure things will sort out, but for a while this may be a crazy year. |
Posted By: MillsLayne
Date Posted: March 16 2014 at 13:42
Good. I feel like Kobayashi already gets a bad enough rap for some of his antics (a lot he brought on himself, sure). Also happy to see McLaren have a damn near flawless race and really happy to see Button jump up towards the front and really impressed with Magnussen. That kid is going to be pretty good, I'd think. BTW, I just ordered this bad ass shirt:  ------------- http://gamercards.exophase.com/xbox/user/MillsLayne/" rel="nofollow"> ht |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: March 16 2014 at 17:29
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Nice shirt! Yeah, Kevin's done better in one race than Jan did in his entire time in F1. I think Kamui gets a lot of stick because of previous Japanese drivers, several of which were quick but crashed quite often. Kobayashi crashing is actually quite rare. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: MillsLayne
Date Posted: March 16 2014 at 18:09
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They're finally getting going again in Bristol! Under the lights! EDIT: Ugh, Kyle, you're killing me. You've been very mediocre so far this year. ------------- http://gamercards.exophase.com/xbox/user/MillsLayne/" rel="nofollow"> ht |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: March 16 2014 at 20:49
^ I turned it on just to see Harvick's engine blow up. Satisfaction.  ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: MillsLayne
Date Posted: March 16 2014 at 21:13
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Not a bad race at all. Pretty competitive race with a few twists, turns and rain. Fairly bizarre day overall with the F1 race and then the Cup race. Not bad by any means, but just very bizarre.
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 17 2014 at 06:58
I do recall Takuma Sato...at the time he was the most successful Japanese driver (IDK how it translates now with the diff point system) and I liked him a lot. He was fast, but certainly a bit crashy. Won't forget the race when he scored a few points in the Super Aguri with his epic run in the last few laps...I think it was like 5 positions gained in 15 and involved passing Alonso along the way. Kam is smoother, and I think would be great in a higher ride some day! Funny, I only knew of Jan Magnussen because of his time in Sports Cars, and I think I recall hearing the name when they'd play decade old F1 races. Certainly his son is off to a brilliant start. Now that he's been upped to 2nd, I believe that makes it the best debut ever in F1, at least the best "real" debut? I know Jacques was a previous CART champion which was more of a legit series than a feeder.
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: March 17 2014 at 07:22
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Giancarlo Baghetti won on his debut in the world championship back in the 1961 French GP for Ferrari, the only championship race he won (he won several none championship races though), so that remains the best debut ever. I think Sato and Kobayashi are tied as the most successful Japanese drivers, though I don't know about their points tallys. They're still the only Japanese drivers to earn podiums fully on merit and not from high attrition. And Jan's still a top GT driver, his Corvette was leading at Sebring until a fuel pump problem dropped it a few laps off the lead. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 18 2014 at 10:56
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Ah I see. Well not to take away from Baghetti but I do think it's fair to say the field is so much more fierce today. And considering he's only 21 and came straight from Formula Renault...damn impressive.
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Posted By: MillsLayne
Date Posted: March 23 2014 at 20:24
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Holy crap, another awesome finish in Fontana today in the Cup race and KyBu picks up his 29th career win! I never thought I'd see two awesome races there in a row. Here's the GWC finish:
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: March 23 2014 at 20:48
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^ Nice!
I have to say, the last couple of races really turned out well at Auto Club Speedway. Guess the track is finally developing some character. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: MillsLayne
Date Posted: March 23 2014 at 21:21
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Until they repave it, and then it all goes out the window.
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: March 23 2014 at 21:38
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Are they planning to soon? ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: MillsLayne
Date Posted: March 23 2014 at 22:11
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The track has been fairly bumpy over the last few years and that's usually when it happens. Plus, there were a lot of tire failures today, although, that was mainly due to fast, aggressive setups and not necessarily the tires. The drivers don't want it to be repaved as they like it's current state, but it'll probably end up happening anyway. ------------- http://gamercards.exophase.com/xbox/user/MillsLayne/" rel="nofollow"> ht |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: March 23 2014 at 23:10
True. 
Let's hope not. The track used to be quite boring. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 23 2014 at 23:36
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This upcoming weekend begins the 2014 Indycar season. Aw yeah now we're in full racing mode Edit: Oh sh*t, turns out JPM is jumping into the indy season, this will make me a lot more keen to watch
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: March 24 2014 at 01:57
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Sweet.
I was wondering when that was to begin. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: March 24 2014 at 07:07
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Should be good, St Pete's is an excellent track and the Penske's and Ganassi cars as well as Justin Wilson's Dale Coyne (why the f**k is he not in a bigger team?) car have all been very fast in testing, looking forward to it. Jacques Viellneuve in Schmidt Peterson car at Indy should be interesting as well.
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 24 2014 at 14:49
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Posted By: MillsLayne
Date Posted: March 24 2014 at 18:38
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I'm excited as well. Kanaan to Ganassi has me rooting for a Ganassi car and JPM and Castroneves have me rooting for two Penske cars. Feels kind of weird, but this should be a fairly exciting season.
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 25 2014 at 14:34
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Hell yeah! Maybe Kanaan will have a bounce back year. He's been chilling in the "meh" area for a while now. That epic 2004 title that won my heart feels like soooo long ago :( Of course I'll be pulling for JPM and Helio is always an easy one to pull for, perpetual bridesmaid
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: March 25 2014 at 15:51
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^I thought that was Will Power! Can't believe it's 10 years since Kanaan's title. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 25 2014 at 15:58
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Helio has the long game over Power, though the latter's name is obviously more epic (and sadly ironic he can't win!) Seriously, I feel old now. That was a beast year too...finished every lap. Not as spectacular as other titles I guess but more solid for sure.
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Posted By: MillsLayne
Date Posted: March 26 2014 at 03:13
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I finally got around to watching Senna today on Netflix. Watching him say whatever was on his mind during certain awkward moments in driver meetings and interviews (especially the Jackie Stewart interview) and being completely honest makes me respect that guy so much more. I already did from a drivers standpoint (how couldn't you, really), but as a man, I really didn't have as much knowledge as to who Ayrton Senna really was. I have to watch 1: Life On The Limit next. This one, too, is a documentary that seems to focus on the super dangerous period of F1 from the 60's and 70's when danger and death were pretty much commonplace. All the reviews I've read have been positive, so that'll be next for me. ------------- http://gamercards.exophase.com/xbox/user/MillsLayne/" rel="nofollow"> ht |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: March 26 2014 at 07:28
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Senna's amazing, it gives a real insight into his life and the way he went about racing. Not perfect though, it's a bit biased, painting Prost as a comic villain and glosses over the dangerous, win at all costs, on track moves he would tend to make. I've heard great things about 1, it also covers the safety improvements that have been made since the 70's as well. Definitely one I want to watch, though I suspect the Roger Williamson crash will be a bit difficult to sit through. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: MillsLayne
Date Posted: March 27 2014 at 17:30
Completely agree on this, although, I feel like that first major collision between the two in the '89 Japanese GP was more on Prost than Senna, seeing as how Senna seemed to have the position and Prost started his turn in a little early. The next year when the roles were reversed, I do feel like that was all on Senna. All in all, I don't think Alain Prost is nearly as bad a guy as it sometimes makes him out to be. They were simply rivals that didn't see eye to eye and really didn't like each other while on the track together.
And was the Roger Williamson crash the one where he was flipped over with his car on fire and another driver is trying to get others to help? If so, then yeah, that's a tough one to watch. ------------- http://gamercards.exophase.com/xbox/user/MillsLayne/" rel="nofollow"> ht |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: March 27 2014 at 19:01
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True, but it does completely fail to mention how Senna broke a pre race agreement at Imola and how he very nearly forced Prost into the wall at Estoril earlier in the year, though on Prost's side he was very close to FIA president Jean-Marie Balastre and knew how to use it. That's the crash, Williamson should have survived and his death was nothing short of criminal negligence on the part of the marshals and fire crews there. I hate Bernie, but I'm very glad that in the late 70's he strong-armed the tracks into adopting all of Prof Sid Watkins suggestions for improved medical facilities and response procedures, probably the single biggest improvement to motorsport safety ever. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: MillsLayne
Date Posted: March 27 2014 at 21:47
It did seem to paint Senna as innocent to most incidents, and Balastre was totally in favor of Prost. Only way to describe the added $100,000 fine and 6 month ban on Senna after the '89 Japanese GP appeal. There's a book I'm about to start reading on their intense rivalry called Senna Versus Prost and some of the reviews I've read claim that the book is fairly pro-Prost. Maybe after reading that, I'll be able to form my own conclusions as to who was more of an a-hole. Or if they were just so both intense with each other that no matter what, a different person came out whenever they were around each other on the track.And yes, the safety in F1 has been massively improved, with Senna's being the most recent fatality, almost twenty years ago. It seems like when they started to change the cars from the '60's to the 70's era and make them a lot faster, a lot of the tracks that they ran on weren't really designed for that type of speed. Couple that with very limited knowledge as to what could happen from track marshals, the teams, the FIA, and there you have a bunch of things happening that they weren't prepared for. Look at one particular incident in 1977 with Tom Pryce and a track marshal carrying a fire extinguisher where both he and the marshal were killed. With stricter regulations, something as simple as the marshals waiting for a local yellow or even an SC would've saved their lives. ------------- http://gamercards.exophase.com/xbox/user/MillsLayne/" rel="nofollow"> ht |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 27 2014 at 22:45
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I know you mentioned that before Sleeper, and I have to admit...it's mainly history class to me (not being around to see it) but generally yeah Prost was painted as the bad guy. He may have been an a****le, but most are :( I've also heard Mansell was a pretty huge prick so there ya go. Still have to see Senna! I even have a free Netflix trial going on right now, so no excuses. I'd have to agree, it was probably mainly their intensity that was the problem. A classic case of having two #1s and how it rarely goes well! In my boredom I once saw that Prost technically beat Senna...but some weird point system didn't count all the results so Senna won under the rules of that system. He also lost by half a point in 84 so really, guy could be a 5 or 6 time champ! Seems to me he was probably one of the all time greats, a top 5 driver. Strange we rarely hear about him (at least here in the US) tons of Senna...even older guys like Jim Clark, Fangio! Of course Schumi. Never heard much about Prost though. Anyway, I believe that both Prost and Senna have admitted (I know Senna did) to purposely wrecking each other. So guess it balances out?? Edit: I also have read (ty internet!) about Balestre and his favoring of Prost and France, but I think compared to Mosley later he's an angel
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Posted By: MillsLayne
Date Posted: March 27 2014 at 23:16
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I was just watching some clips on YouTube of sports commentary done in
other countries, and I have found them to be quite entertaining. I love
most of the American and English-speaking commentators, but these guys
that called the Fontana Cup race from last year (in French) are fantastic and seem
to love it. The last 3 laps are the best: And this one (also in French). "Le Big One! Le Big One!" ------------- http://gamercards.exophase.com/xbox/user/MillsLayne/" rel="nofollow"> ht |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 28 2014 at 07:48
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LOL! Le big one, that is honestly amazing. Hey, we all know the rep it gets (even here in the US) but while I got a bit bored of it, (and sick of how "corporate" it became) I grew up on NASCAR. I found the strategy interesting and races exciting. I'm sure it can be enjoyed by our non merkan friends. Or maybe it's strange and exotic to them!
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: March 28 2014 at 08:58
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I remember watching the second GP2 race at Turkey in 2006, were Hamilton
spun on the first lap then fought through the field to second, with
Spanish commentary, it was hilariously brilliant.
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: March 28 2014 at 10:35
Practice times from Malaysia. Looks like Merc don't have such a big advantage this time, unless they're sandbagging.Pos Driver Team/Car Time Gap Laps 1. Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1m39.909s 30 2. Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari 1m39.944s +0.035s 30 3. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1m39.970s +0.061s 30 4. Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 1m40.051s +0.142s 32 5. Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1m40.103s +0.194s 29 6. Felipe Massa Williams-Mercedes 1m40.112s +0.203s 34 7. Daniel Ricciardo Red Bull-Renault 1m40.276s +0.367s 29 8. Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1m40.628s +0.719s 28 9. Valtteri Bottas Williams-Mercedes 1m40.638s +0.729s 35 10. Nico Hulkenberg Force India-Mercedes 1m40.691s +0.782s 34 11. Jean-Eric Vergne Toro Rosso-Renault 1m40.777s +0.868s 33 12. Kevin Magnussen McLaren-Mercedes 1m41.014s +1.105s 20 13. Adrian Sutil Sauber-Ferrari 1m41.257s +1.348s 28 14. Daniil Kvyat Toro Rosso-Renault 1m41.325s +1.416s 32 15. Esteban Gutierrez Sauber-Ferrari 1m41.407s +1.498s 34 16. Sergio Perez Force India-Mercedes 1m41.671s +1.762s 25 17. Romain Grosjean Lotus-Renault 1m42.531s +2.622s 14 18. Max Chilton Marussia-Ferrari 1m43.638s +3.729s 20 19. Jules Bianchi Marussia-Ferrari 1m43.752s +3.843s 29 20. Marcus Ericsson Caterham-Renault 1m45.703s +5.794s 31 21. Kamui Kobayashi Caterham-Renault 0 22. Pastor Maldonado Lotus-Renault 0 ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 28 2014 at 13:31
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Call me an optimist :D But I expect Ferrari to pull it together, probably not in too long either. RBR will eventually catch up as well, again it may not take too long.
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Posted By: MillsLayne
Date Posted: March 28 2014 at 17:23
I don't care what anyone says about NASCAR, because it's an awesome form of racing that's highly misunderstood. Like you said, the strategies are interesting and there's a lot more going on then turning left. It's what I grew up on, too, and most of the drivers have fun personalities that make some of the situations fun to watch. I agree on the corporate part, but I'm mostly disappointed in the direction of the cars (too aero sensitive) and the most of the boring tracks they go to (cookie cutter D-shaped). Honestly, the only forms of racing that I can't really get into is drag racing and motocross. I don't dislike them, but I don't follow them, either. Glad to see McLaren's times back to around mid pack.  ------------- http://gamercards.exophase.com/xbox/user/MillsLayne/" rel="nofollow"> ht |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: March 28 2014 at 19:35
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They and Williams both seem to be struggling a bit with the hot weather but Magnussen and Button were both in the top 5 in FP1. And for the fun of it, here's the Second Practice times from St Pete's. Ignore the gap column, it's obviously messed up. Pos Driver Team/Engine Time Gap Laps 1. Takuma Sato Foyt/Honda 1m02.5615s 23 2. Graham Rahal Rahal/Honda 1m02.6122s +0.0507s 23 3. Will Power Penske/Chevy 1m02.6443s +0.0321s 25 4. Helio Castroneves Penske/Chevy 1m02.8178s +0.1735s 24 5. Simon Pagenaud Schmidt/Honda 1m02.9129s +0.0951s 21 6. Ryan Briscoe Ganassi/Chevy 1m03.0142s +0.1013s 17 7. James Hinchcliffe Andretti/Honda 1m03.0301s +0.0159s 16 8. Scott Dixon Ganassi/Chevy 1m03.0510s +0.0209s 24 9. Sebastien Bourdais KV/Chevy 1m03.0671s +0.0161s 22 10. Jack Hawksworth Herta/Honda 1m03.0793s +0.0122s 18 11. Ryan Hunter-Reay Andretti/Honda 1m03.1796s +0.1003s 17 12. Carlos Munoz Andretti/Honda 1m03.1814s +0.0018s 21 13. Mikhail Aleshin Schmidt/Honda 1m03.2045s +0.0231s 21 14. Josef Newgarden Fisher/Honda 1m03.2846s +0.0801s 14 15. Tony Kanaan Ganassi/Chevy 1m03.3067s +0.0221s 19 16. Charlie Kimball Ganassi/Chevy 1m03.3812s +0.0745s 17 17. Marco Andretti Andretti/Honda 1m03.4077s +0.0265s 21 18. Juan Pablo Montoya Penske/Chevy 1m03.4624s +0.0547s 19 19. Justin Wilson Coyne/Honda 1m03.5476s +0.0852s 16 20. Mike Conway Carpenter/Chevy 1m03.6336s +0.0860s 21 21. Sebastian Saavedra KV/Chevy 1m03.8422s +0.2086s 19 22. Carlos Huertas Coyne/Honda 1m04.3481s +0.5059s 21 ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: March 29 2014 at 08:15
Qualy results, Bottas has since gained a 3 place penalty for impeding Ricciardo.Pos Driver Team Time Gap 1. Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 1m59.431s 2. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1m59.486s +0.055s 3. Nico Rosberg Mercedes 2m00.050s +0.619s 4. Fernando Alonso Ferrari 2m00.175s +0.744s 5. Daniel Ricciardo Red Bull-Renault 2m00.541s +1.110s 6. Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari 2m01.218s +1.787s 7. Nico Hulkenberg Force India-Mercedes 2m01.712s +2.281s 8. Kevin Magnussen McLaren-Mercedes 2m02.213s +2.782s 9. Jean-Eric Vergne Toro Rosso-Renault 2m03.078s +3.647s 10. Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 2m04.053s +4.622s Q2 cut-off time: 1m36.811s Gap ** 11. Daniil Kvyat Toro Rosso-Renault 2m02.351s +3.310s 12. Esteban Gutierrez Sauber-Ferrari 2m02.369s +3.328s 13. Felipe Massa Williams-Mercedes 2m02.460s +3.419s 14. Sergio Perez Force India-Mercedes 2m02.511s +3.470s 15. Valtteri Bottas Williams-Mercedes 2m02.756s +3.715s 16. Romain Grosjean Lotus-Renault 2m02.885s +3.844s Q1 cut-off time: 2m01.689s Gap * 17. Pastor Maldonado Lotus-Renault 2m02.074s +4.891s 18. Adrian Sutil Sauber-Ferrari 2m02.131s +4.948s 19. Jules Bianchi Marussia-Ferrari 2m02.702s +5.519s 20. Kamui Kobayashi Caterham-Renault 2m03.595s +6.412s 21. Max Chilton Marussia-Ferrari 2m04.388s +7.205s 22. Marcus Ericsson Caterham-Renault 2m04.407s +7.224s ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: March 29 2014 at 23:14
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Pretty fun quali session...looking forward to the race. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: MillsLayne
Date Posted: March 30 2014 at 03:22
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Well, Raikkonen was screwed over pretty fast. Didn't help Magnussen too much, either. Also, seems to be a little bit of an inner rivalry brewing between Bottas and Massa, especially when Massa ignored team orders to let Bottas towards the end. I didn't mind it, as it helped Button cruise to a decent 6th place finish. ------------- http://gamercards.exophase.com/xbox/user/MillsLayne/" rel="nofollow"> ht |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 30 2014 at 16:04
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Finally watched the tape (4 am start!?) and I gotta say, was not quite worth the wait Bit of a snoozer, everything quickly fell into line and not much happened. Did feel awful for Ricciardo, real sh*tstorm of a race. He was running well too. IDK if it's a rivalry per se, more like Massa simply isn't going to lay down anymore. The announcers kept saying how Massa stated "I won't be number 2 anymore". Gotta love it as race fans, and we all hate seeing the pushovers and love teammates racing and earning their spots, but it was indeed a team order violation. If he keeps this up all season will make quite a rough ride. But hey, Massa has been around since 2002 (holy hell!), was nearly a world champion, has played #2 nearly his whole career. Guess he feels he's hit wily old veteran status! Great race for Hulkenberg, some nice dicing with Alonso and it was one of the 2 only good battles this race. They kept harping on he should've been in Ferrari over Kimi, and so far hard to disagree. He must've had damage...was shocked how Kimi didn't make up any ground at all. Unlike Magnussen, who IMO REALLY showed off his stuff with his clawing back into the points |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 30 2014 at 16:07
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And as always Sleeper has proven nearly spot on. Merc so far is the team to beat. Damn strong. RBR isn't too far off though, and McLaren appears to be a legit #3 threat, battling with Ferrari. The prediction with Williams has also proven true so far.
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: March 30 2014 at 16:37
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The thing that annoys me about Massa is that he was demanding team orders early in the race to get Bottas to back off, if he's not going to follow them himself then he's got no right to demand others do the same.
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 31 2014 at 00:47
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Yeah I did hear that...pretty punk move. And after the fun wears off...the realist comes out and I have to say, in the end if he's that much faster (to the point you have to ask him to back off) you probably should just accept orders and move over. |