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Topic: In Rock vs Rising
Posted By: Dellinger
Subject: In Rock vs Rising
Date Posted: July 28 2013 at 21:23
A few months ago I got the album "Rising" from Rainbow, and really liked it a lot and got me interested in other works from both DIO and Ritchie Blackmore. Though I already knew a bit from Deep Purple, I just got also "In Rock", and given it's reputation I expected something as great as "Rising". Well, as a matter of fact it's still to early to give any real judgement over it, but it didn't have the same immediate impact Rising did. However, it gave me the idea to make this poll, though I don't feel myself ready to vote yet. Perhaps in a few more weeks I'll be doing another of rising against "Machine Head", which I expect to get by then.



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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: July 28 2013 at 21:27
In Rock for sure, but both are fantastic records.

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Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: July 28 2013 at 21:50
I'm gonna go with Rising. I've never really understood the love for In Rock. I like Machine Head a lot better, but anyway, the last two epic songs on Rising make it a clear winner.

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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: July 28 2013 at 22:54
Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

I'm gonna go with Rising. I've never really understood the love for In Rock. I like Machine Head a lot better, but anyway, the last two epic songs on Rising make it a clear winner.


Agreed in regards to Rainbow Rising as well as In Rock not being on the same level as Machine Head. Rising's "A Light in the Black" has always been a heavy rock favorite.


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Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: July 28 2013 at 22:57
In Rock is a really solid album, but Rising is one of my all time favourites.

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Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: July 28 2013 at 23:13
I honestly can not choose on this one. I really love the music on both albums, and cannot choose one over the other.


Posted By: Eria Tarka
Date Posted: July 28 2013 at 23:39
Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

I'm gonna go with Rising. I've never really understood the love for In Rock. I like Machine Head a lot better, but anyway, the last two epic songs on Rising make it a clear winner.

Pretty much this


Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: July 28 2013 at 23:56
Rising BY FAR!! A landmark album! With the two long-ish songs and the stellar keyboarding of Tony Carey, I'll even venture to say it's proto-prog-metal.

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Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: July 29 2013 at 00:28
Although I'm a huge hard rock fan, Rising for some reason didn't knock me down, maybe I haven't listened to it enough.
I adore In Rock but no vote in the meantime.


Posted By: sukmytoe
Date Posted: July 29 2013 at 01:25
Really difficult choice, this one. "In Rock" is an absolute classic featuring one of rock's all time greats - the sublime "Child in Time". "Rising" however is a magical album that I loved a great deal back when it was released. Strangely it is the older album that today resonates with me more although I will always love "Rising". I think that in terms of importance to rock music as a whole "In Rock" takes the podium and due to that it gets my vote.


Posted By: antonyus
Date Posted: July 29 2013 at 01:43
both are great records but I'll go with rainbow


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 29 2013 at 01:49
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Rising BY FAR!! A landmark album! With the two long-ish songs and the stellar keyboarding of Tony Carey, I'll even venture to say it's proto-prog-metal.

I've never owned the album so always assumed it was Don Airey playing keyboards. I may well get the deluxe edition as it has the extended version of Stargazer with the keyboard intro.


Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: July 29 2013 at 06:10
It's close but it has to be "Rising".


Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: July 29 2013 at 06:21
If I'm brutally honest, then none of these albums really do anything for me. They're good, but I don't listen to them anymore. They were hugely influential in that they spurred me on to further discover 70s rock, and since then(must've been almost 20 years ago) I haven't looked back. 
No vote though.


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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: July 29 2013 at 07:19
Rising.

Not a huge Purple fan tbh.

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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: July 31 2013 at 00:22
In Rock


Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: July 31 2013 at 05:54
Originally posted by Pekka Pekka wrote:

In Rock is a really solid album, but Rising is one of my all time favourites.

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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: July 31 2013 at 07:02
Wow, it's ages I didn't listen to any of both, I don't even have them on CD only on vinyl, but Rising was my favourite of the two.
And yes it was Tony Carey on keys, he did a great job on that album.


Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: July 31 2013 at 07:08
Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

Wow, it's ages I didn't listen to any of both, I don't even have them on CD only on vinyl, but Rising was my favourite of the two.
And yes it was Tony Carey on keys, he did a great job on that album.
Yes, it's a shame Blackmore seem to have a downer on keyboards at the time, which is probably why they're mixed so low on most of the album. I saw Rainbow (at the Rainbow) and the keyboard player (I can't remember which one it was at that time) was hidden behind a pillar and mixed so low you wouldn't have known he was there.


Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: July 31 2013 at 07:27
Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

Wow, it's ages I didn't listen to any of both, I don't even have them on CD only on vinyl, but Rising was my favourite of the two.
And yes it was Tony Carey on keys, he did a great job on that album.

Wiki says  Tony Carey too but my album said Don Airey. I've never heard of Tony Carey.


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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: July 31 2013 at 07:34
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

Wow, it's ages I didn't listen to any of both, I don't even have them on CD only on vinyl, but Rising was my favourite of the two.
And yes it was Tony Carey on keys, he did a great job on that album.

Wiki says  Tony Carey too but my album said Don Airey. I've never heard of Tony Carey.
Your album has a misprint then, I'm pretty sure it wasn't Don Airey.


Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: July 31 2013 at 07:48
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

Wow, it's ages I didn't listen to any of both, I don't even have them on CD only on vinyl, but Rising was my favourite of the two.
And yes it was Tony Carey on keys, he did a great job on that album.

Wiki says  Tony Carey too but my album said Don Airey. I've never heard of Tony Carey.

"One of Tony's earliest musical experiences was in a band called "Blessings". Tony was in "Blessings" until 1975 when Ritchie Blackmore discovered and hired him as keyboardist of "Rainbow". In 1977 after 2 successful years and 2 world tours Tony Carey left "Rainbow"."

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Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: July 31 2013 at 08:02
Obviously, it was Tony Carey on "Rising", then David Stone played keyboards on "Long Live Rock'n'Roll", Don Airey joined Rainbow only to 1979 LP "Down to Earth".

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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: July 31 2013 at 08:12
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

Wow, it's ages I didn't listen to any of both, I don't even have them on CD only on vinyl, but Rising was my favourite of the two.
And yes it was Tony Carey on keys, he did a great job on that album.

Wiki says  Tony Carey too but my album said Don Airey. I've never heard of Tony Carey.
Your album has a misprint then, I'm pretty sure it wasn't Don Airey.

No it obviously isn't. Just my memory playing tricks. It was a long time ago when it was released.  Could hardly be a misprint could it? If he wasn't in the band yet?


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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: July 31 2013 at 09:39
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

Wow, it's ages I didn't listen to any of both, I don't even have them on CD only on vinyl, but Rising was my favourite of the two.
And yes it was Tony Carey on keys, he did a great job on that album.

Wiki says  Tony Carey too but my album said Don Airey. I've never heard of Tony Carey.
Your album has a misprint then, I'm pretty sure it wasn't Don Airey.

No it obviously isn't. Just my memory playing tricks. It was a long time ago when it was released.  Could hardly be a misprint could it? If he wasn't in the band yet?
It could have been a reissue album and they got confused about which of the plethora of Blackmore keyboard players was actually on that particular album.


Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: July 31 2013 at 09:39
Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

Obviously, it was Tony Carey on "Rising", then David Stone played keyboards on "Long Live Rock'n'Roll", Don Airey joined Rainbow only to 1979 LP "Down to Earth".
David Stone! He was the guy behind the pillar at the Rainbow!


Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: July 31 2013 at 10:32
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

Wow, it's ages I didn't listen to any of both, I don't even have them on CD only on vinyl, but Rising was my favourite of the two.
And yes it was Tony Carey on keys, he did a great job on that album.

Wiki says  Tony Carey too but my album said Don Airey. I've never heard of Tony Carey.
Your album has a misprint then, I'm pretty sure it wasn't Don Airey.

No it obviously isn't. Just my memory playing tricks. It was a long time ago when it was released.  Could hardly be a misprint could it? If he wasn't in the band yet?
It could have been a reissue album and they got confused about which of the plethora of Blackmore keyboard players was actually on that particular album.

But it wasn't.


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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: July 31 2013 at 10:36
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

Wow, it's ages I didn't listen to any of both, I don't even have them on CD only on vinyl, but Rising was my favourite of the two.
And yes it was Tony Carey on keys, he did a great job on that album.

Wiki says  Tony Carey too but my album said Don Airey. I've never heard of Tony Carey.
Your album has a misprint then, I'm pretty sure it wasn't Don Airey.

No it obviously isn't. Just my memory playing tricks. It was a long time ago when it was released.  Could hardly be a misprint could it? If he wasn't in the band yet?
It could have been a reissue album and they got confused about which of the plethora of Blackmore keyboard players was actually on that particular album.

But it wasn't.
Shame, you could have made a fortune.


Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: July 31 2013 at 10:39
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

Wow, it's ages I didn't listen to any of both, I don't even have them on CD only on vinyl, but Rising was my favourite of the two.
And yes it was Tony Carey on keys, he did a great job on that album.

Wiki says  Tony Carey too but my album said Don Airey. I've never heard of Tony Carey.
Your album has a misprint then, I'm pretty sure it wasn't Don Airey.

No it obviously isn't. Just my memory playing tricks. It was a long time ago when it was released.  Could hardly be a misprint could it? If he wasn't in the band yet?
It could have been a reissue album and they got confused about which of the plethora of Blackmore keyboard players was actually on that particular album.

But it wasn't.
Shame, you could have made a fortune.

On  a reissue? I only had the original album I'm afraid.


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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: July 31 2013 at 10:43
Rising, mainly because of Dio.  


Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: July 31 2013 at 21:40
I have the original release of Rising on vinyl (purchased with ill-gotten gains in 1976) and it was indeed Tony Carey.


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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 01 2013 at 04:57
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

I have the original release of Rising on vinyl (purchased with ill-gotten gains in 1976) and it was indeed Tony Carey.

Nobody is disagreeing.


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Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: August 01 2013 at 05:01
IMO
In Rock - a 1970 groundbreaking masterpieces.
Raising - a 1976 ok album


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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: August 01 2013 at 06:34
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

Wow, it's ages I didn't listen to any of both, I don't even have them on CD only on vinyl, but Rising was my favourite of the two.
And yes it was Tony Carey on keys, he did a great job on that album.

Wiki says  Tony Carey too but my album said Don Airey. I've never heard of Tony Carey.
Your album has a misprint then, I'm pretty sure it wasn't Don Airey.

No it obviously isn't. Just my memory playing tricks. It was a long time ago when it was released.  Could hardly be a misprint could it? If he wasn't in the band yet?
It could have been a reissue album and they got confused about which of the plethora of Blackmore keyboard players was actually on that particular album.

But it wasn't.
Shame, you could have made a fortune.

On  a reissue? I only had the original album I'm afraid.
I was joking. Albums with mistakes on are worth money sometimes. I'm still hoping to make a fortune on my Beatles albums which has a Who track on one side.


Posted By: ole-the-first
Date Posted: August 01 2013 at 10:02
Rising

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Posted By: KingCrInuYasha
Date Posted: August 01 2013 at 15:51
In Rock. That is probably one of the most insane hard rock albums I have ever listened to.

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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: August 01 2013 at 19:25
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

I have the original release of Rising on vinyl (purchased with ill-gotten gains in 1976) and it was indeed Tony Carey.

Nobody is disagreeing.


I took the time to dig the vinyl release out of storage, so I was damn well going to posting my findings.


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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 02 2013 at 04:44
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

I have the original release of Rising on vinyl (purchased with ill-gotten gains in 1976) and it was indeed Tony Carey.

Nobody is disagreeing.


I took the time to dig the vinyl release out of storage, so I was damn well going to posting my findings.

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Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: August 02 2013 at 21:09
In Rock for me.

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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: August 02 2013 at 21:17

Wish I never had unreliable mates who didn't return LP's as 'Rising' was a gem that never was returned to me (damn you Mark, where ever you are..........Angry) - tough choice, but methinks Rainbow has the edge.  I ought to track down another copy



Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: August 03 2013 at 08:47
The briliant Tony Carey intro that got binned (although I thought it was a lot longer)

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Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: August 03 2013 at 18:03

^ Excellent, Rainbow sounds fresher to me these days, only Rising though


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Posted By: LinusW
Date Posted: August 03 2013 at 19:30
I like and admire both bands, but In Rock is a bit too hit-and-miss. Rising is pivotal in my musical journey. Blargh pretension, it's still true. 

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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: October 03 2013 at 10:52

In Rock..is a bit dated for me. Basically that's always been my issue with everything ever released that doesn't stand the test of time for me. IN ROCK was a kind of awakening for 60's, 70's musicians to be more ambitious on their instruments within Rock music itself. It was very influential to musicians globally. It gave them ideas on how to play differently and so the album was very important to the growth of Rock musicians in general. I wasn't too fond of the lyrical content. I liked the lyrics to Black Sabbath's "The Wizard"and although plain and simple, they were mysterious and held my attention, But IN ROCK didn't do much for me in that department.  RISING from a completely different period than IN ROCK contained more complex lyrics from Dio who wrote stories about dragons and wizards. He decorated his home with them and was a more complex lyricist than Glover and Gillian. 'Stargazer" had a completely different flow musicially. It featured Ritchie Blackmore playing Arabic type phrasings on slide guitar..which!..I found unique. It's too difficult for me to vote.



Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: October 03 2013 at 17:36

Never was a big fan of Purple or Rainbow, though I did like some of the classic Purple tracks,  but I did own and play In Rock in college so I'll go with that one.



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Posted By: benbell
Date Posted: October 21 2013 at 13:02
Rising. In Rock is a classic with some great stuff on it which has surely been hugely influential, but Rainbow Rising is the one that I actually find myself going back and listening to end to end.


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Posted By: Michael678
Date Posted: October 21 2013 at 15:37
In Rock, is the one for me, especially Child in Time, just, epic


Posted By: TheGazzardian
Date Posted: October 21 2013 at 16:06
Whenever I see this topic, my brain always replaces the title with "Rock Bottom vs. Fish Rising" and I think it is about Canterbury solo albums.


Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: October 22 2013 at 11:03
Originally posted by TheGazzardian TheGazzardian wrote:

Whenever I see this topic, my brain always replaces the title with "Rock Bottom vs. Fish Rising" and I think it is about Canterbury solo albums.
Fish Rising over Rock Bottom.
 
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Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: February 18 2014 at 04:05
Bothe albums had Blackmore doing his version of Zeppelin - LZ II's production style for In Rock (dense amd heavy with riff oriented music), and the Kashmir like Eastern feel of some Rising moments. Stargazer, and the instrumntal structures of Do You Close Your Eyes are highlights for me on a fine hard rock album. In Rock is Purple a bit ahead of themselves, very little was played live at the time Into The Fire, Speed King under it's original title kneel and Pray and Child In Time was it I think. They were very much an instrumental band with occasional vocals. But In Rock has dense powerful riffs with contributions from everyone rather than the Blackmore directed masterpiece. Child In Time is a master work.

I'd recommend both albums, especially the CD remaster of In Rock (not heard the Rising one. Oh, and Live In Germany supersedes the Rainbow On Stage just for having Stargazer included.

You get a lot of Tony Carey soling as well. Probably out from behind his pillar.


Trouble (sic) is I like just about everything from Purple and Rainbow. And Sabbath. I do find it interesting how Tony Iommi ended up with most of Ritchie's singers at some time or another and almost started using Blackmore's style.
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Posted By: ole-the-first
Date Posted: February 18 2014 at 04:21
Rising

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Posted By: Jzrk
Date Posted: March 28 2014 at 23:44
In Rock still one of my all time favs on the hard rock world


Posted By: Kentucky_Hawkwindage
Date Posted: March 29 2014 at 09:17
I like both but i had to go with Deep Purple


Posted By: Daysbetween
Date Posted: March 29 2014 at 10:35
Love both but voted for DP mainly because of Child. 


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 06 2014 at 16:02
Finally got In Rock and now wondering why it took me so long. Deep Purple were at their peak such a dynamic and exciting band and this is them  hitting their stride. Both great albums but I'll vote for Purple.


Posted By: proggman
Date Posted: April 06 2014 at 17:21

Deep Purple in Rock



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Posted By: geekfreak
Date Posted: April 11 2014 at 09:06
as I have both `n` there both classic rock bands so I cannot voting.

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