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Topic: Led Zeppelin Celebration Day
Posted By: humor4u1959
Subject: Led Zeppelin Celebration Day
Date Posted: May 07 2013 at 02:46
Forgive me, as I might be late in learning this. Have any of you seen/heard clips from the Zep reunion concert? OMG! They're awful! I mean, really, really, really bad!!!

And they released this crap to the public! I simply cannot comprehend how any musicians with the least bit of integrity could do that. It's appalling.

Page, who was never good, is downright sloppy with tons of mistakes. Plant's voice is shot. He lets the audience sing a lot of the parts, or he sings an octave lower or in a different key. God, he's horrific.

The only one who does a great job is John Paul Jones. He was always my favorite member of the band. In the vid, he plays keys and bass pedals on 'Stairway.' He never got his due.

Anyway, avoid this DVD/CD! The YT clips I viewed shocked me. RIP, Zep. (Never was a big fan anyway.)



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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: May 07 2013 at 07:07
It's been out for a while now.
To be honest it's not brilliant but for a one-off reunion it's not that bad. Plant does sing most of the songs in a lower key but considering most of the originals are in a key that few mortals can reach, he's entitled to drop them a bit at his age.
And since you've never been a big fan anyway, it's not really surprising that you're not impressed with it.


Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: May 07 2013 at 07:15
Genesis shifted down a key or two here and there on their 2007 tour. These guys reach a certain age and cannot hit those notes. It's fairly common and hardly crime of the century.

I've not seen the Zep reunion film, but I suspect it's mediocre at best, and probably better if you were there. A bunch of guys in their sixties playing music from over 40 years ago, but minus the energy, charisma and sexuality with which it was supposed to be presented the first time round, is never going to be that great is it? Best avoided if it upsets you.

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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: May 07 2013 at 07:23
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

A bunch of guys in their sixties fifties playing music from over 40 years ago, but minus the energy, charisma and sexuality with which it was supposed to be presented the first time round, is never going to be that great is it? Best avoided if it upsets you.
 
You just described my band almost perfectly Andy.Tongue


Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: May 08 2013 at 06:45
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

A bunch of guys in their sixties fifties playing music from over 40 years ago, but minus the energy, charisma and sexuality with which it was supposed to be presented the first time round, is never going to be that great is it? Best avoided if it upsets you.

 

You just described my band almost perfectly Andy.Tongue




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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: May 08 2013 at 08:25
Enjoyable and recommended.

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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: May 08 2013 at 09:21
I've been keen to buy it for a while now, and I've purposely avoided watching/listening to any previews.  Generally, it bothers me when a band changes the keys to their songs (though it's definitely understandable), as I consider the original key to be a key (ha) part of the song itself.  And I would have expected Zeppelin to do this - Plant's voice is a lot different these days, and I think he still has the chops to pull off a good vocal performance, albeit in a different register from Zeppelin's usual range (witness his album with Ally Krauss).  I'm enough of a Zeppelin fan that I would like to own the CD and/or DVD just to take part in the occasion, which I really didn't think would ever happen.  Generally, reviews have been quite positive - probably from people who are sympathetic to the demands on the band that this material presents at such an advanced age.  Could a younger cover band have done it better?  Probably.  But the sense of occasion, especially for a band this near and dear to my heart, is probably worth enduring a few bum notes and adjusted key signatures.

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Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: May 08 2013 at 22:21
Originally posted by HolyMoly HolyMoly wrote:

Generally, it bothers me when a band changes the keys to their songs (though it's definitely understandable), as I consider the original key to be a key (ha) part of the song itself.

Me too.

I think Celebration Day is alright. I'd rather hear a comfortable Robert Plant than not, because I suspect it wouldn't be a cool listen hearing him try to hit all those high notes. LOL


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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: May 09 2013 at 03:55
Originally posted by humor4u1959 humor4u1959 wrote:

Plant's voice is shot. He lets the audience sing a lot of the parts, or he sings an octave lower or in a different key. God, he's horrific.

 
Listening to it now, I wish my voice was as "shot" as Plant's, he can still sing higher than I can!
 
The only bit I can hear him "letting the audience sing" is the "ah ah" bits in "Black Dog", which he's done for years anyway.


Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: May 09 2013 at 06:17
What??
That's a great concert with high energies, just as I would expect Zep to be. I'm so happy I bought it.
Of course before buying it, I thought it might be bad, but after listening to the first song from a friend's copy I thought " Ok I'm getting this!!"


Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: May 09 2013 at 06:58
I have it. Not watched  it yet  but the general consensus seems to be that it is amazing. The bits  I have seen look great.

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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: May 09 2013 at 08:01
Originally posted by humor4u1959 humor4u1959 wrote:

Forgive me, as I might be late in learning this. Have any of you seen/heard clips from the Zep reunion concert? OMG! They're awful! I mean, really, really, really bad!!!

And they released this crap to the public! I simply cannot comprehend how any musicians with the least bit of integrity could do that. It's appalling.

Page, who was never good, is downright sloppy with tons of mistakes. Plant's voice is shot. He lets the audience sing a lot of the parts, or he sings an octave lower or in a different key. God, he's horrific.

The only one who does a great job is John Paul Jones. He was always my favorite member of the band. In the vid, he plays keys and bass pedals on 'Stairway.' He never got his due.

Anyway, avoid this DVD/CD! The YT clips I viewed shocked me. RIP, Zep. (Never was a big fan anyway.)
 
Jimmy Page was very accomplished as a player in the early 60's...but what the hell happened? I have recording sessions of Page with Sonny Boy Williamson where his guitar contains zero distortion. His sound has the tone quality of a George Benson. He was much cleaner when he played on the YARDBIRDS album LITTLE GAMES..but still on a downslide at that point in time and specifically on electric. He was VERY schooled in the area of the open tuning style European Folk. He mastered most or all of the guitar styles evident on Pentangle and Fairport Convention albums. Some of the Led Zeppelin songs contained more than 14 or 15 chord variations, yet his electric playing was often horrific. What the hell happened to him? Jeff Beck was his understudy so figure that one out? I just never understood how a guitar player with all that knowledge could end up sounding like a 10 year old frustrated with the pentatonic scale.  


Posted By: humor4u1959
Date Posted: May 09 2013 at 22:48
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Genesis shifted down a key or two here and there on their 2007 tour. These guys reach a certain age and cannot hit those notes. It's fairly common and hardly crime of the century.

I've not seen the Zep reunion film, but I suspect it's mediocre at best, and probably better if you were there. A bunch of guys in their sixties playing music from over 40 years ago, but minus the energy, charisma and sexuality with which it was supposed to be presented the first time round, is never going to be that great is it? Best avoided if it upsets you.


Uh...I have news for you. Genesis lowered the key on ALL songs on their 2007 tour except for 2, 'Follow You, Follow Me' and another one that escapes me now. They said this in interviews. But, Collins sounded good! I have no problem with that.

Plant, on the other hand, was horrible. As a musician, yes, it upsets me when bands put out crap and seem to have no pride. They know how dumb some die-hard fans can be. And they laugh all the way to the bank.


Posted By: humor4u1959
Date Posted: May 09 2013 at 23:02
Originally posted by TODDLER TODDLER wrote:


Originally posted by humor4u1959 humor4u1959 wrote:

Forgive me, as I might be late in learning this. Have any of you seen/heard clips from the Zep reunion concert? OMG! They're awful! I mean, really, really, really bad!!!

And they released this crap to the public! I simply cannot comprehend how any musicians with the least bit of integrity could do that. It's appalling.

Page, who was never good, is downright sloppy with tons of mistakes. Plant's voice is shot. He lets the audience sing a lot of the parts, or he sings an octave lower or in a different key. God, he's horrific.

The only one who does a great job is John Paul Jones. He was always my favorite member of the band. In the vid, he plays keys and bass pedals on 'Stairway.' He never got his due.

Anyway, avoid this DVD/CD! The YT clips I viewed shocked me. RIP, Zep. (Never was a big fan anyway.)

 
Jimmy Page was very accomplished as a player in the early 60's...but what the hell happened? I have recording sessions of Page with Sonny Boy Williamson where his guitar contains zero distortion. His sound has the tone quality of a George Benson. He was much cleaner when he played on the YARDBIRDS album LITTLE GAMES..but still on a downslide at that point in time and specifically on electric. He was VERY schooled in the area of the open tuning style European Folk. He mastered most or all of the guitar styles evident on Pentangle and Fairport Convention albums. Some of the Led Zeppelin songs contained more than 14 or 15 chord variations, yet his electric playing was often horrific. What the hell happened to him? Jeff Beck was his understudy so figure that one out? I just never understood how a guitar player with all that knowledge could end up sounding like a 10 year old frustrated with the pentatonic scale.  


Thank you, Toddler! First of all, Page was a heroin addict for a long time, but one cannot blame his playing on that. Keith Richards did some of his best stuff while he was a junkie.
I never thought Page was a great guitarist. Beck is head and shoulders above him and he no longer uses a pick.
Don't get me wrong. I love some Zep stuff. I think Page is excellent on Rain Song, for instance. It's just that I was shocked when I heard and saw these reunion clips after people who were there told me, "They were tremendous!" Shows how musically clueless fans can be when it comes to their old favorites. I'd complain even if my favorite band did a gig like that.


Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: May 10 2013 at 06:20
Originally posted by humor4u1959 humor4u1959 wrote:

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Genesis shifted down a key or two here and there on their 2007 tour. These guys reach a certain age and cannot hit those notes. It's fairly common and hardly crime of the century.

I've not seen the Zep reunion film, but I suspect it's mediocre at best, and probably better if you were there. A bunch of guys in their sixties playing music from over 40 years ago, but minus the energy, charisma and sexuality with which it was supposed to be presented the first time round, is never going to be that great is it? Best avoided if it upsets you.


Uh...I have news for you. Genesis lowered the key on ALL songs on their 2007 tour except for 2, 'Follow You, Follow Me' and another one that escapes me now. They said this in interviews. But, Collins sounded good! I have no problem with that.

Plant, on the other hand, was horrible. As a musician, yes, it upsets me when bands put out crap and seem to have no pride. They know how dumb some die-hard fans can be. And they laugh all the way to the bank.
So you're saying we're dumb for buying Celebration Day? Nice.
 
Actually, I find some of Plant's vocals are improved in the lower register. I don't hear his vocals as horrible at all.


Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: May 10 2013 at 07:24
Originally posted by humor4u1959 humor4u1959 wrote:

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Genesis shifted down a key or two here and there on their 2007 tour. These guys reach a certain age and cannot hit those notes. It's fairly common and hardly crime of the century.

I've not seen the Zep reunion film, but I suspect it's mediocre at best, and probably better if you were there. A bunch of guys in their sixties playing music from over 40 years ago, but minus the energy, charisma and sexuality with which it was supposed to be presented the first time round, is never going to be that great is it? Best avoided if it upsets you.


Uh...I have news for you. Genesis lowered the key on ALL songs on their 2007 tour except for 2, 'Follow You, Follow Me' and another one that escapes me now. They said this in interviews. But, Collins sounded good! I have no problem with that.

Plant, on the other hand, was horrible. As a musician, yes, it upsets me when bands put out crap and seem to have no pride. They know how dumb some die-hard fans can be. And they laugh all the way to the bank.


I've not seen all the Genesis 'when in Rome' film. Only a few tracks where they played in lower keys. I didn't think it sounded that bad, although the set list put me off enduring the entire concert for two hours - or whatever length it was.

Comebacks and reunions have been all the rage for the last 5 years or so. It's a nostalgia thing, and I don't think there's anything wrong with it per se. These shows may be the only chance for younger fans to see these bands. They're never going to be as good as they were when they were all skinny 20 somethings, stoned out of their minds, full of hope ambition and fresh ideas, but there's no law spoken or otherwise that says musicans should stop working when they hit 40 or whatever.

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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: May 10 2013 at 08:02
Originally posted by humor4u1959 humor4u1959 wrote:

Originally posted by TODDLER TODDLER wrote:


Originally posted by humor4u1959 humor4u1959 wrote:

Forgive me, as I might be late in learning this. Have any of you seen/heard clips from the Zep reunion concert? OMG! They're awful! I mean, really, really, really bad!!!

And they released this crap to the public! I simply cannot comprehend how any musicians with the least bit of integrity could do that. It's appalling.

Page, who was never good, is downright sloppy with tons of mistakes. Plant's voice is shot. He lets the audience sing a lot of the parts, or he sings an octave lower or in a different key. God, he's horrific.

The only one who does a great job is John Paul Jones. He was always my favorite member of the band. In the vid, he plays keys and bass pedals on 'Stairway.' He never got his due.

Anyway, avoid this DVD/CD! The YT clips I viewed shocked me. RIP, Zep. (Never was a big fan anyway.)

 
Jimmy Page was very accomplished as a player in the early 60's...but what the hell happened? I have recording sessions of Page with Sonny Boy Williamson where his guitar contains zero distortion. His sound has the tone quality of a George Benson. He was much cleaner when he played on the YARDBIRDS album LITTLE GAMES..but still on a downslide at that point in time and specifically on electric. He was VERY schooled in the area of the open tuning style European Folk. He mastered most or all of the guitar styles evident on Pentangle and Fairport Convention albums. Some of the Led Zeppelin songs contained more than 14 or 15 chord variations, yet his electric playing was often horrific. What the hell happened to him? Jeff Beck was his understudy so figure that one out? I just never understood how a guitar player with all that knowledge could end up sounding like a 10 year old frustrated with the pentatonic scale.  


Thank you, Toddler! First of all, Page was a heroin addict for a long time, but one cannot blame his playing on that
I think some of the sloppy playing on later albums can be blamed on that (partly). I'm thinking of the dreadful solo on "Hots on for Nowhere". Also, The Stones were waiting to use the studio so Page was in a rush.


Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: May 10 2013 at 18:25

I managed to see the whole show on you tube before it was taken down....imo they were pretty good for a bunch of old guys. No group that old who hadn't played in a while  is as good as they used to be nor will they sound exactly the same. Anyone who expects that probably has their head up their ***.

 

 
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Posted By: Junges
Date Posted: May 10 2013 at 23:50
Originally posted by humor4u1959 humor4u1959 wrote:

Forgive me, as I might be late in learning this. Have any of you seen/heard clips from the Zep reunion concert? OMG! They're awful! I mean, really, really, really bad!!!

And they released this crap to the public! I simply cannot comprehend how any musicians with the least bit of integrity could do that. It's appalling.

Page, who was never good, is downright sloppy with tons of mistakes. Plant's voice is shot. He lets the audience sing a lot of the parts, or he sings an octave lower or in a different key. God, he's horrific.

The only one who does a great job is John Paul Jones. He was always my favorite member of the band. In the vid, he plays keys and bass pedals on 'Stairway.' He never got his due.

Anyway, avoid this DVD/CD! The YT clips I viewed shocked me. RIP, Zep. (Never was a big fan anyway.)

1- Oh you didn't like it? So don't buy it, don't download it, don't listen to it. Is it so hard?

2- Form a band and go sing almost 50 years after you formed it. Let's see if you can sing so well as back then.


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Posted By: Elastic Murray
Date Posted: May 11 2013 at 07:15
I enjoy Celebration Day. Sorry for being so dumb.


Posted By: wreckfan1
Date Posted: May 11 2013 at 15:12
I thought Celebration Day was the best it could have ever been, and let's face it, it could have been so much worse.

I also respect that they kept in their improvisations and variations on their songs I kinda expected they would play it exactly as they are on the record. Although, weirdly the Stairway To Heaven solo was like the one on the record, which is odd because that was notable for its extended live solos..


Posted By: jayem
Date Posted: May 16 2013 at 09:55
Originally posted by TODDLER TODDLER wrote:

 Jimmy Page was very accomplished as a player in the early 60's...but what the hell happened? I have recording sessions of Page with Sonny Boy Williamson where his guitar contains zero distortion. His sound has the tone quality of a George Benson. He was much cleaner when he played on the YARDBIRDS album LITTLE GAMES..but still on a downslide at that point in time and specifically on electric. He was VERY schooled in the area of the open tuning style European Folk. He mastered most or all of the guitar styles evident on Pentangle and Fairport Convention albums. Some of the Led Zeppelin songs contained more than 14 or 15 chord variations, yet his electric playing was often horrific. What the hell happened to him? Jeff Beck was his understudy so figure that one out? I just never understood how a guitar player with all that knowledge could end up sounding like a 10 year old frustrated with the pentatonic scale.  

Ha! Ha! I hadn't expected any opinion to go that far. 

If we're going to criticize the CDay event, how about TSRTS ? Bonham's power-play was efficient, Page was moving good on stage, and obviously it was huge for all of them to experiment. But of course for those who prefer listening to carefully crafted pieces live, much of the magic in the albums was lost. 

Even then Plant's voice was half broken already. His tendency to behave like an over-excited pulcinello was at its top, hence the vision of him as a fantastic punching bag; and I wonder which one of you has enjoyed when he shouted in a semi-choked voice "Pew-ush, pewush, pewush, pewush, pewush" like someone was behind him. No wonder that, suddenly feeling the magic gone after two or three hours in Heaven, a sad and lonely Plant shied away to his room, then for most of the night sweated desperately to get something off his johnson in order to calm down before sleeping (This last information is unverified but I've figured it out because he said about the crazy times that  he was in bed by eleven every night). 

So onstage I don't trust LZ but I remain a great fan of most of what they recorded.




Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: May 16 2013 at 14:38
Originally posted by jayem jayem wrote:

So onstage I don't trust LZ but I remain a great fan of most of what they recorded.


 
That works for me......,in the past (70's) I've seen several great classic rock bands and they all had some issues when they played live.


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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: May 20 2013 at 14:10
Originally posted by Barbu Barbu wrote:

Enjoyable and recommended.

Sorry...


Excellent, highly enjoyable and recommended.

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Posted By: Intruder
Date Posted: November 12 2013 at 12:50
Not sure where the OP wants this thread to go....yeah, the remnants of Zep cashed in on a one-off reunion show.  I guess to paraphrase Voltaire:  they were the best of all possible Led Zeppelins.  Circa '71 it wasn't, but can you ask for more from a bunch of white-haired geezers?  I actually think Celebration Day and Unledded are excellent additions to the Zep catalouge. 

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Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: November 12 2013 at 14:09
Originally posted by Intruder Intruder wrote:

Not sure where the OP wants this thread to go....yeah, the remnants of Zep cashed in on a one-off reunion show.  I guess to paraphrase Voltaire:  they were the best of all possible Led Zeppelins.  Circa '71 it wasn't, but can you ask for more from a bunch of white-haired geezers?  I actually think Celebration Day and Unledded are excellent additions to the Zep catalouge. 

^ this

I actually saw the infamous final show on the '77 tour in Oakland (the one where Richard Cole and Bonzo beat up Bill Grahams son backstage and LZ refused to play unless Peter Grant was given $25,000 cash and it turned out to be LZ's last US show - at least I think those are the specific details).  

Two things I recall very clearly from that day.  One, LZ came onstage about 2 hours late (opening bands were Rick Derringer & Judas Priest).  During the delay a roadie was sitting onstage with Pagey's red doubleneck while every 20 minutes someone would come up to the mic and announce "we're having a little trouble with Jimmy's doubleneck, Led Zeppelin will be on soon".  It was pretty ridiculous though of course none of us punters in the crowd had any idea of the drama unfolding backstage.  Two, LZ were awful!  Completely and hopelessly terrible!  No Quarter seemed to drag on for at least a half hour and it was pretty clear the band didn't care much about the performance (which makes sense knowing the backstage drama that was occurring).  I saw nearly all the big prog bands at least once between '76 and '80 but this was by far the worst performance I ever witnessed.


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Posted By: Michael678
Date Posted: November 12 2013 at 15:13
Celebration Day kicked ass!! idky the guy who started this topic is f**king criticizing this beauty!!! SHAME ON HIM/HER!!!!

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