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Topic: Five years (1964 -1968)
Posted By: Stool Man
Subject: Five years (1964 -1968)
Date Posted: April 27 2013 at 12:09
The five years starting with 1964 and ending with 1968 are the half-decade that brought together the strands that made up progressive rock, and brought together many of the early players. 
Look at the careers of any band active throughout those years, and you'll see their progress towards prog.
 
I wonder if there'll ever again be such a huge change in music within a five year period (compare, for example, the five years from 2008 to 2013)


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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: April 27 2013 at 14:02
1977 to 1982
 
This is the "flowerpower" period of Generation X - the growth of bands during this period of the early 80s was phenomenal, even by comparison to the 64-69 period. From Pub-rocks roots through Punk to all that the umbrella term "post-punk" encompasses. This is the beginning of Indie in the literal sense of the word (beyond whatever Island or Charisma could have dreamt) and saw the fragmentation of subcultures across the whole generation of music buyers that would result in no single subculture or style of rock music ever being able to dominate the music scene ever again.


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Posted By: Stool Man
Date Posted: April 29 2013 at 08:19
ok clever clogs, I doubt there'll be another in the future

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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: April 29 2013 at 08:30
Yup - I think the Age of Entitlement has effectively put an end to all that.

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Posted By: Stool Man
Date Posted: April 29 2013 at 09:17
Anyway... back to 1964?
 
1st January - Top Of The Pops began.
9th, 16th, & 23rd February - The Beatles appeared on The Ed Sullivan Show
 
 


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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: April 29 2013 at 09:33
If you like. I'm done here.

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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: April 29 2013 at 10:07
Originally posted by Stool Man Stool Man wrote:

The five years starting with 1964 and ending with 1968 are the half-decade that brought together the strands that made up progressive rock, and brought together many of the early players. 
Look at the careers of any band active throughout those years, and you'll see their progress towards prog.
 
I wonder if there'll ever again be such a huge change in music within a five year period (compare, for example, the five years from 2008 to 2013)
I've looked at The Dave Clark Five and frankly I don't see the progression.
 


Posted By: Stool Man
Date Posted: April 29 2013 at 10:27
They're an exception, just like selecting Status Quo & The Ramones to represent the 70s LOL

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Posted By: King Crimson776
Date Posted: May 05 2013 at 04:05
Those were the early years, and '67 was the big firing of the "canon", as it were. Bands really started to change from '69 onward though, with '72 / '73 being the ultimate peak in creativity and expansiveness.

So I would say '69-'73 as far as the period in which bands became the most progressive. From '64 to '68, it went from beat music to baroque pop, but that is still pretty far from full on progressive.


Posted By: King Crimson776
Date Posted: May 05 2013 at 04:12
The new wave era could never hope to compare with psychedelia / progressive in terms of musical development. It's mathematically impossible.


Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: May 09 2013 at 08:27
In 1964..George Harrison played a smooth style which revolved around a "Rockabilly" or Country/Jazz mentality. Like a less involved Chet Atkins student. The idea (of course), was to place elements of American music into a new British Rock style. The idea ALONE was progressive in nature. The only progressive element in a band like the DAVE CLARK FIVE was the saxophone because it represented a different edge to early British Rock. By 1966..bands like The Lovin' Spoonful and the Box Tops incorporated snippets of J.S.Bach signature lines..(reversed or turn around more or less), difficult to identify, and cemented those lines into what was known then as "Top 40' hits. The premature ideas developed the idea as a whole to take further steps with more extreme measures like with Jack Bruce for example. The idea as a business concept during that time period was to combine musical elements derived from ancient cultures and form a new and fresh style of Rock music. Whether it was to be totally underground or strictly commerical. It was all about experimentation with music that derived from various cultures. Some of the most embarrassing examples to make the modern person cringe existed in a few Motown hits..where actual Classical melodies from J.S.Bach were lifted and presented within impeccable vocal capabilities to attract fans of "Top 40' hits. This was commonly used and often required by record companies. You had to be a developed diverse musician at that time or you were found to be laughable. A bass guitar line which was typically found in a hit song during the mid 60's ..for example would consist of one note per beat in a 4/4 time signature. That's 4 notes per measure, but within a bar you would find yourself playing 14 different notes. These premature ideas gave artists like Keith Emerson and a list of others to play the same type of busy bass lines..BUT!..over an oddball time signature as opposed to a typical 4/4/ beat.  


Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: May 09 2013 at 09:00
Originally posted by Stool Man Stool Man wrote:

They're an exception, just like selecting Status Quo & The Ramones to represent the 70s LOL
You did say any band.
 
OK, what about Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Titch? Hermans Hermits? Freddie and the Dreamers?


Posted By: Stool Man
Date Posted: May 09 2013 at 12:32
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Stool Man Stool Man wrote:

They're an exception, just like selecting Status Quo & The Ramones to represent the 70s LOL

You did say any band.

 

OK, what about Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Titch? Hermans Hermits? Freddie and the Dreamers?


OK, I withdraw my 'any' and replace it with 'most'. And you could play the same game by selecting bands from any era. For every Bowie or Eno there's a Peter Noone

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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: May 19 2013 at 12:43
Originally posted by TODDLER TODDLER wrote:

... A bass guitar line which was typically found in a hit song during the mid 60's ..for example would consist of one note per beat in a 4/4 time signature. That's 4 notes per measure, but within a bar you would find yourself playing 14 different notes. These premature ideas gave artists like Keith Emerson and a list of others to play the same type of busy bass lines..BUT!..over an oddball time signature as opposed to a typical 4/4/ beat.  
 
Bass Lines, were a part of classical music for many years, but in most cases, they were never thought to be used as rock/jazz became to use it, as a subservient instrument that was there to support the others, not to add anything to the music itself.  In many ways, for me, this is where "progressive" made a substantial improvement to the music itself, though it's hard to not say that a lot of other rock/jazz music didn't either ... however, too much of their context was just another song ... and those are STILL not considered "music" per se, or artistic enough to be considered important to the history and development of music.
 
But the bass being imprisioned is criminal in my book.
 
Similarly, listening to Mani Neumeier in his earlier days of explorations, he was less of a rhythm section, and more of a player that was having fun around what the guitar did, not the bass! And this is overlooked ... that the music design had its 4, but it was not controlled by anyone in particular ... all of them shared that responsibility and someone had to bring things together somewhere along the way! But it made for some spectacular things ...
 
Jack Bruce and some of the other bass players, were simply more educated musicians ... playing instruments and works far inferior to their ability, if that is ok to say!
 
I, nowadays, place less importance in the music in these years, than I do in the incredible jump in the houses/homes having TV's which blew up in those years ... in America alone the numbers were absolutely insane and by 1968, it was like 80% of everyone had a tv, compared to under 40% before 1964 ... and the inevitable result is a complete change in how you see things, the world and the arts! I imagine that Europe was similar ... and remember that one of the biggest weapons against the Iron Curtain was "The Beatles" and "The Rolling Stones" and many other bands, because this stuff was not legal behind it, and was considered subversive .... and it helped get the "populace", specially the youngsters, more aware that there was more out there that the Iron Curtain did not want you to see!  When TV became bigger during that time, things changing accelerated like mad!


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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: May 21 2013 at 01:57

Early '90s (1990-1995) was really a fresh air for the progressive rock.






Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: May 21 2013 at 02:52
Originally posted by King Crimson776 King Crimson776 wrote:

The new wave era could never hope to compare with psychedelia / progressive in terms of musical development. It's mathematically impossible.

I agree. '80s were good years, pretty hedonistic, this and that, but rock music in 80s was terriible .
Except just few bands and artists, and of course  ECM production what was the best thing in '80s, that decade was so bad for the music.



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