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Topic: whos first Stoner rock Kyuss or Soundgarden
Posted By: Icarium
Subject: whos first Stoner rock Kyuss or Soundgarden
Date Posted: December 18 2012 at 13:26
THIS IS THE BIGGEST DEBATE IN THE UNIVERSE

who are the founding stoner rock/metal band is it the mighty Kyuss or the mythical Soundgarden who slowwed down tha punk and alternative rock and made it more sabbathy.

IN MY ULTRACORRECT BOOK

MELVINS coined sludge metal 

NEUROSIS coined post metal 

SOUNDGARDEN coined stoner rock 


THE HOLY TRINITY OF INNOVATION 


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Posted By: Sumdeus
Date Posted: December 18 2012 at 16:00
Black Sabbath

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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: December 18 2012 at 16:06
they created doom not stoner 

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Posted By: DamoXt7942
Date Posted: December 18 2012 at 17:18
Judas Priest ... Rocka Rolla is a fantastic stoner pioneer, please check it! Thumbs Up

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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: December 18 2012 at 17:34
i will thanks

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Posted By: Sumdeus
Date Posted: December 18 2012 at 18:42
Originally posted by aginor aginor wrote:

they created doom not stoner 





in what way is this not stoner metal? I believe Sabbath laid down the blueprints for stoner metal just like they did for heavy metal, doom metal, and metal in general.


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Posted By: HarbouringTheSoul
Date Posted: December 19 2012 at 02:18
I wouldn't even call Soundgarden stoner rock, so Kyuss I guess. But I still call the former alternative rock and the latter plain heavy metal.

Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: December 19 2012 at 10:16
Soundgarden is to heavy and bleak to be only alternative rock 

this album influenced metallica on the black album 

it is pure stoner rock



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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: December 19 2012 at 10:57
Blue Cheer, even before Black Sab...
 
 


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"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)

Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: December 19 2012 at 12:51
And this whole "stoner rock" is just a scam: back in the times, it was heavy rock.
I remember reading some metal magazines calling Monster Magnet "psychaedelical heavy rock", nothing more!

Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: December 19 2012 at 17:12
but i want to give Soundgarden a relevance in the evelution of rock music  Cry, i fails 

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Posted By: HarbouringTheSoul
Date Posted: December 20 2012 at 02:44
As great as Soundgarden are, they have no relevance in the evolution of rock music. At least not yet.

Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: December 20 2012 at 03:14
Soundgarden has some slowed heavy stuff but I wouldn't go far and call it stoner. I'm no expert on stoner bands but Kyuss always seemed to me like one of the pioneers.

Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: December 20 2012 at 08:39
Originally posted by HarbouringTheSoul HarbouringTheSoul wrote:

As great as Soundgarden are, they have no relevance in the evolution of rock music. At least not yet.
they are sighted with Faith No More as the first alternative metal band they influenced Metallica on the Black Album, they influenced Kyuss, Alice in Chains, Deftones, Dillinger Escape Plan, Between the Buried and Me and Clutch, they are the second band after Melvins to have drop D and drop B and drop C tuned guitars in rock, they are the most technical band in grunge and have insane times sigs, which indicates a link towards math rock, and KIm Thaiyl is probably the most imitated guitarist in 90s alternative metal scene,  and in slow played metal, Kim Thayle is very important to the way people approached guitar in the 90s that weren't shred guitarists 

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