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Topic: Your Grandparents
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Subject: Your Grandparents
Date Posted: August 07 2012 at 15:17
All of mine are gone now but I was thinking about them...

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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: August 07 2012 at 15:19
Um. 3/4 of mine are dead. Did you want more info than that? 

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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: August 07 2012 at 15:29
4/4 of mine have died.  I wasn't real close to any of them.  2 of them died when I was very young.  The other two I didn't get along with that well.


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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: August 07 2012 at 15:29
My paternal grandmother was the last to go.  She taught me not to diss food you didn't like. My maternal granddad was an ornery fellow.  I get that from him.  My maternal grandmother was a peacemaker.  I remember my paternal grandfather for being a hard worker.

I don't want anything here other than to provide a spot for reflections.


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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: August 07 2012 at 15:33
I have two living grandmothers and one living great grandmother (born in April 1915).  My one grandfather died a few years back.  My other grandfather I know nothing other than that his name is Bill.

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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: August 07 2012 at 15:37
Just share if you want to dare...

It's kind of fortunate if you got to know them.  Clues you in to who you are.


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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: August 07 2012 at 15:46
All of mine are dead too.  My paternal grandmother died when I was two.  Both of my grandfathers died in my senior year of high school.  My maternal grandmother died about 5 years ago.  I always enjoyed seeing my paternal grandfather, but he was remarried, so we only seemed to see him a handful of times each year.  My maternal grandfather could have played the part of Archie Bunker.  I was really close with my maternal grandmother after my grandfather died until she moved to Columbus Ohio with my aunt and uncle.  In the last few years of her life I would only see her a few times a year.

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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: August 07 2012 at 16:04
My maternal grandmother raised me since my parents had to work multiple jobs to pay the bills. She worked herself and supported my two uncles who lived with her while drifting in and out addiction. Her and my maternal grandfather were divorced before I was born for reason I never bothered to ask. She died, when I was an adolescent, because of chemotherapy treatment for lung cancer which killed her about a decade before the cancer would have and in a much more horrible fashion. She taught me the simple joys of watching traffic in silence while drinking cold freeze-dried coffee. 

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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: August 07 2012 at 16:17
My parents are dead, their parents are dead too. I never knew my maternal granddad, I think he died during WW2, he worked on the railways, my maternal nan was a big scary woman who I rarely saw because I think she scared my mum and dad too (my mother was raised by her sister who was some twenty years older), she died when I was quite young so I have few memories apart from her baking skills, (whenever we did visit the whole house would smell of freshly baked cakes and pastries), and she had a television, which in working class England back in the early 60s was quite unusual. My paternal granddad was a farm labourer who came off the farms to work as a builder's labourer in the late 40s because of all the rebuilding work that was happening, my nan used to be "in service" between the wars, she was just a housewife when I knew her. I spent most of my summers with them in the late 60s and early 70s and would spend hours with my granddad foraging for wild mushrooms and berries, poaching the occasional rabbit or pheasant, or just working on his allotment - he was a sharp and canny person who would never miss a trick and I hope some of that rubbed off on me. They died when I was 14 - granddad suffered a stroke that paralysed his left-hand side, he then caught pneumonia and with only one working lung was too weak to fight it off - nan just faded away after that and was gone within three months of him. I miss them both, and I miss my parents more.

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Posted By: smartpatrol
Date Posted: August 07 2012 at 16:37

5/6 are still here. My Grandma on my Dad's side is real sweet. But she's also kind of ignorant. Good cook, too. Her husband, my step grandfather, is not a pleasant guy to be arround. Just kind of weird and easy to get him annoyed. My Grandfather on my Dad's side is smart, and has a great sense of humor. My grammy on my Mom's side was a happie back in the day. We like alot of the same music. Some psychedellia, some prog, some pop, and she gave me my first record player. Her husband, my other step grandfather, is also not a very plesant man to be arround, for the same reasons as my other step grandfather. I don't see the two often, as they live in New York. And my Grandfather on my mom's side died long ago.



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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: August 07 2012 at 16:42
Only one living one for me.

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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: August 07 2012 at 16:42
My grandparents are gone: the first one died a short year before I was born, the last one in 1996.
My old folks are still alive, but not together, and in their late seventies.


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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: August 07 2012 at 17:23
4/4 grandparents gone. Both of my paternal grandparents died well before I was born. Of the two remaining ones, I was very close to my grandmother, she was a magnificent person, one of a kind. I saw her ex-husband (my mother's father) just about three times in my life. And I never cared or wanted more than that.

So I basically only ever had one grandparent.

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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: August 07 2012 at 17:28
All of my grandparents are dead.
      My earliest childhood memory is the only time I met my Father's father, and that was in early 1965, when I would have been about 2 and a half years old. Grandpa Ted was in a wheelchair, and had difficulty speaking, but I still remember meeting him. He died that same year.
            Grandpa Ted was an important Canadian politician in the 1950s, and was pretty well Prime Minister Diefenbaker's right hand man. He was a Member of both the Ontario Provincial and Canadian Federal Cabinets, and was The Chairman of Committees, and Assistant to the Deputy Speaker under Diefenbaker.
           I really wish I would have been able to know him.
         My father's mother died before I was born. She was a Swiss Tobler, related to the famous family of Toblerone chocolate fame.
          I knew both my mother's parents, until they passed away in the 1980s, when I was in my 20s.They were nice, and very gracious people. My mother's father was an important Canadian Historian, both as a teacher and writer.


Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: August 07 2012 at 17:32
All still alive.  My grandfather on my father's side is in his late 80s and still has a full head of hair O_o

Farmers on one side, (long-retired) teachers on the other.


Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: August 07 2012 at 19:10
Don't know any of mine at all except for two. I heard my grandpa on my mother's side was a real freaking harda$%, kind of like my stepfather. Then paralysis got him, but he was still capable of inspiring horror in his daughters, especially my mom. Then, one night, when the news came out that he passed on, my mother was crying ... for some reason.

As for my grandma on my mother's side, well, she is a good-golly-good-natured woman, very kind. Always takes delight in cooking (at least that's the impression I got). Alive and well, live in St.-Petersburg.


Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: August 07 2012 at 19:14
St. Petersburg is a beautiful place. Smile




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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: August 07 2012 at 19:32
Wow guys, thanks for sharing.  The pets thread inspired me to start this one up.  When is comes to your grans it's often memories. I have a vague memory of a great grand one on my dad's side.

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Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: August 07 2012 at 19:44
All dead, all dead.

Both my real grandmothers died before I knew them, one of my grandfathers shortly after that. A couple of step grandparents died after that, and then the only real one left. I never had a close relationship with any of them.


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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: August 07 2012 at 21:08



One of my grandpas....he was a great guy....A tough old Irishman, worked as a lumberjack and railroad man.  Liked a good bar scrap and was amazing with his fists I'm told, used to drop guys twice as big as him.  Never went to the doctor, never ate health food, smoked like a fiend, and lived to a ripe old 96. 


Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: August 07 2012 at 21:09
Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:




One of my grandpas....he was a great guy....A tough old Irishman, worked as a lumberjack and railroad man.  Liked a good bar scrap and was amazing with his fists I'm told, used to drop guys twice as big as him.  Never went to the doctor, never ate health food, smoked like a fiend, and lived to a ripe old 96. 


Wow wow wow.


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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: August 07 2012 at 21:22
Always liked this one.  My great grandmother, with her siblings, mid 1880s.  She's standing, second from left.  She died in 1938 but my Dad talked about her.  Old German gal, still spoke some German.  Strict as hell, but he remembers getting ice cream when they went to her house, she had a soft spot too. 




Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: August 07 2012 at 21:45
I envy your family. 

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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: August 07 2012 at 21:50
I'm waiting for a punchlineLOL

Why so, Pat?


Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: August 07 2012 at 21:54
^ Cool story Jim. All of my Granparents are gone. My mom's parents lived in a trailor by the time i knew them. They had 8 kids during hard times. He was Irish and very strong. Worked in the mines up north when there was no other work, broke a Frenchmen's arm once who tried to take him on. He was about 6' 1 " and naturally muscular. He was an airplane mechanic later on. My dad's dad i never met. He died at 56 when i was just a toddler. I was very close to his wife(my grandma of course) who i spent a ton of time with. She died when i was about 17. Man i watched so many hockey games on TV with her. Every Saturday night pretty much, she was my best friend. She was so funny and out going i miss her.

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Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: August 07 2012 at 22:23
Only my paternal grandfather has died, and he did before I got to know him.

My maternal grandmother is probably the most remarkable of the 3 living. She has had colon cancer 6 times in the past 20 years and gotten through it and returned fully to normal every time. It's amazing. The last time she had it (about a year ago), she was one of the weakest looking people I've ever seen; yellow skin, skinny as can be, small, and barely with it, but she recovered in only a few months and is completely back to normal now. It's amazing what modern medicine and the human body can do.


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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: August 07 2012 at 22:49
Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

I'm waiting for a punchlineLOL

Why so, Pat?


Because they look classy as all hell in those photos.


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Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: August 07 2012 at 23:05
All gone.......they have travelled this journey before us, so much respect for ancestors regardless of individual flaws, brave souls

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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: August 08 2012 at 01:21
Yeah, guys, some really solid stories here. I mean, they may seem all similar, the German ancestors, the Irish ancestors, but really every story actually has something interesting to offer. 

Originally posted by Horizons Horizons wrote:

St. Petersburg is a beautiful place.

Yes, I heart it to pieces with me onion, but the people who inhabit it just s$%t on it in small ways.


Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: August 08 2012 at 07:16
My paternal grandfather was a singer with a moderate success (opera and easy listening). He is still surrounded by a veil of mystery. He was also a WWII veteran, pilot, old car collector and what not. He was married four times, my grandma was his third wife - a tailor making costumes in the opera house.

I never met my maternal grandfather - he died when my mother was a little girl. I don't know much about him; I know he was a musician and a womanizer (or so they told me).

My grandma is still alive and well, even able to hike nearby mountains with mum and me. Grandma was quite pretty when young and used to be a photo model.Smile


It's a pity I don't have a scanner here; there are some really interesting photos in my family albums.




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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: August 08 2012 at 07:22
I've got an old photo of my paternal grandfather taken when he owned a liquor store behind me.  I can go to the effort to scan it in if anyone is interested, or I may just do it anyway.

I hail from a little city called Carrolton.  Wasn't born there but the grands lived there as did my parents.  It's located in Kentucky next to where the Kentucky river meets the Ohio.  Lots of tobacco warehouses.  Thankfully I never got the taste for cigarets.


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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: August 08 2012 at 07:41
All mine are long gone now, sadly..

My Irish grandfather (on my mothers side) died in 1981. He grew up in an around Dublin, and used to work in a factory dying rolls of fabric. He also used to repair radios as a sideline. My Irish grandmother was a nurse and also worked part time in a convent, as some kind of domestic assistent for the nuns.

My grandmother and grandfather on my dads side both died in the 1970's, and I can't really remember much about them. In his younger years, he had worked as a draughtsman for an engineering company. My father followed in his footsteps, in this regard. They lived in a town called Slough, in the south east of England, not far from London. On a side note, just recently I found an old diary, which my dad had kept in 1941, aged 14. Very short entries, but interesting to read about Nazi V1 rockets going overhead!

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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: August 08 2012 at 07:48



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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: August 08 2012 at 07:53
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

he had worked as a draughtsman for an engineering company.!

Drafting is a major part of my vocation.  My dad had the drafting kit.  He went in to chemical engineering.  But getting my hands on it led me to it.


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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: August 08 2012 at 09:42
Yes!  Keep the stories and PHOTOS coming!  This is a great thread, I love history and real life stories. 


Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: August 08 2012 at 10:06

My dad is having the time of his life these past two weeks.  Him and my mom are on vacation on the East Coast visiting his roots.  He lived in Coopersville, New York from the ages of 2 to 8, and that was their first stop.  Apparently, my dad ran into a guy in a rest stop near there and started talking about heading to Coopersville to look for his old house and to hopefully meet up with a friend of my grandpas.  As luck would have it, this guy lived in Coopersville and knew exactly what my dad was looking for and new exactly where this friend of my grandpa lived.  I guess that there are only two main streets in the town, so it sounds like an everybody knows everybody kind of place. 

They then headed up to Montpelier, Vermont, which is where my dad was born.  He took pictures of the hospital that he was born in, and then they think that they found the house that he lived in until they moved to New York.  While they were there he was planning on visiting with a 96 year old aunt of his that he hasn't seen in ages, but apparently found her on the Internet of all places (Facebook I think), and has been communicating with her. 
 
Now they are somewhere in Maine, where he was meeting up with a cousin of his, who lives in Houston, Texas.  I guess my parents visited with her in Houston about 10 years ago, but he hadn't seen her for nearly 50 years before that. Anyways, he called her on Sunday to confirm that they were there and to set up a visit and got a bonus that two of this cousin's sisters were there visiting too.  He probably hasn't seen them in nearly 60 years.   I haven't heard this story yet.
 
Anyways, their next stop is Shrewsbury, Massachusetts, which is where he lived from the ages of 8 to 16 or 17.  He moved to Michigan prior to his senior year in high school.   I should mention that while he was in Vermont he stayed at the home of the guy who was his best friend during the days that he lived in Shrewsbury.  I am pretty certain that the last time that he had seen him was when I was 16 and we had taken a vacation out to the East Coast, so that was over 25 years ago.  At any rate, it sounds like my dad is having a great time revisiting his roots.


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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: August 08 2012 at 10:30
All grand parents dead during the 80's and 90's and they were all in their late 80's
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On my mother's side, her father was a judge, prisoner of war (two years forced labour in Germany).
On my father's side, his father was an steel engineer, himself a son of a engineer in France, but but had a stint as a parliament member.
Both grandmothers were raising their kids at home.
 
Recently, I lost my dad to Alzheimer (died at a fairly younger age then his own parents), leaving us a lot of administrative and inheritance issues... who spent 30 years under a diplomatic consulates status in Canada, US, Scotland and France.
Mum's fine, enjoying her life in mid-France


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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: August 08 2012 at 11:32
I bever knew my grandparents on my mother's side, only those on my late father's.

My grandfather Rudolf, was the last of the German born Gartens (came over to England from Saxony in 1888), was interned during WW1 & put into a reserved occupation in WW2 as a baker - stayed a baker until he retired following losing his leg to disease & died in 1979.

My grandmother Hilda on the other hand was a proper old-school north London granny - about 4'6" tall, round, always a source of additional pocket money ("don't tell yer dad"), kettle never cold, cakes & sweets always in the cupboard ("don't tell yer mum") & if you crossed her... the quickest back-hand in Enfield - bless'er. Eventually lost her a few years back at the ripe old age of 102.

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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: August 08 2012 at 12:07
The best thing I learned from T-mo was is if you don't like something (food-wise) don't say you hate it, just say you don't care for it.  My brother gets the credit for nicknaming our grandparents.  The guy in the pic above is T-po.  Kind of Star Trekian, but predates it.


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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: August 08 2012 at 12:16
I have no grandparents left, and have only known one grandmother (my mother's mother) during my life.
At already an old age she was married again to a man who I really considered my grandfather, a typical grandfather for me, who smoked a pipe and told stories. It was only at a later age that I realised that he wasn't my real grandfather. It didn't matter, because he was a grandfather to me anyway.


Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: August 08 2012 at 14:33
Both my grandfathers are dead.
Both my grandmothers are alive.

Their lives were/are hardly interesting.


Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: August 08 2012 at 14:51
All my Grandparents are dead I'm afraid.  My dad's side were from Yorkshire and my Mums from Geordieland.  The Geordie Grandpa was in the 1stWW and lost and eye and two brothers so our family is much smaller than it should be.  I imagine it was very hard for their mum.  I knew my Great Grandmother quite well as she made it to 102 years.  Once she saved up money to visit her sister in the USA without telling her husband who only found out when she was gone.  I remember watching the wrestling (Old British style) on TV with her. 

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Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: August 08 2012 at 15:34

I had the opportunity to meet my grandfather in Budapest in 1966, again in 1967 and in 1969. He was a former artillery general in the Royal Hungarian army, a playful, disciplined man but a total rebel. He taught me about many things when I was still a young teen, such as pouring cold water on the wrists to wake up in the morning (it works!) and that one should always respect persons who are older and expect respect from those who are younger. He also explained to me what a gentleman needs to be, at all times.

As for my grandmother I met her only once in 1966, having committed suicide a few months later (some say the Communist authorities turned on the gas). She remains famous in my mind for an incident that occurred during WW2 , when the villa she was living in was being used by retreating Waffen SS troops and an SS major asked the SS commander what to do with the family who were present  as they withdrew. He answered “Who cares what happens to Gypsies!”, to which my countess grand-mother promptly replied by administering a terrific slap across the SS officer’s face, stating in perfect German “Watch your tongue, you scoundrel”.  The SS man immediately begged for forgiveness, kissed her hand in apparent apology and walked out , humiliated. 



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Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: August 08 2012 at 15:44
^ Nice story tszirmay

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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 08 2012 at 17:13
Well, 3/4 of mine are gone and the remaining isn't doing so hot. I'd imagine not more than a couple of years and hate to be so morbid but...may not be a bad thing? Really is pretty much miserable, all day every day. We all do what we can but after losing your spouse of 60 years + becoming pretty much locked to the house, well IDK its just very sad to see.
Not that you want to see a family member go.


Anyway,  passed when I was very young, have little memory. Other 2 I had a fine relationship with but found out later there was quite a strained history between my mother and them and some very very low things have been said.
Erm, yeah. 
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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: August 08 2012 at 18:07
I am my father's grandson and my mother is my grandmother.  Think on that for awhile.  Wink

Both gone sadly, for well over 20 years.


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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: August 08 2012 at 18:07
My dad's dad severed overseas at the end of WW2 (Pacific).  Didn't see combat.  Visited interesting people but didn't kill them.  Also cool personal factoid.  Both my granddads were masons. 

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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: August 08 2012 at 18:40
My dad/granddad fought in WWII.  He'd be shocked to find out today that the fascists he fought against were actually socialists (I say that with every bit of sarcasm I can muster). 

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Posted By: ClemofNazareth
Date Posted: August 08 2012 at 19:12
My maternal grandmother is 89 and still lives on her own a few miles from my parents in Kansas. My maternal grandfather died in WWII. I never knew the paternal grandparents but as far as I know they're still alive and living in Alabama. My step-grandmother died in her 80s in the same Montana town of 2,000 people that she lived in all her life. Her first husband (my step-father's father) served 33 years in the Army, fought in WWII, Korea and Vietnam and committed suicide shortly after he retired. My step-grandfather died an alcoholic when I was a teenager. He ran a bar in Montana and was a lifelong friend of Evil Knievel, who I met a few times at the bar as a kid.

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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: August 08 2012 at 20:40
Great grandma again, rural MN....looks kinda like the Mom on Little House on the Prairie here  ;)





Great grandparents in 1898.  They were shopkeepers.  This was their first child and only girl, she died shortly after this photo.  To my knowledge it is only photo of this kid.   Their next child and first son also died as an infant.  Their second son was my Grandpa. 






My great great grandpa (who came here in the 1860s) and great grandpa, and other unknown folks in the background.  1880s. 








Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: August 08 2012 at 20:42
I envy your photos Jim.  I have a few from long ago, and the only people who know who anybody is in them is 80 or older.

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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: August 08 2012 at 21:01
My mother's parents died before I was born. I have some good memories of my dad's parents. Playing cards, with my grandma, visiting them in Florida and when they lived near us. It's probably accurate to say I'm not really close with my family, especially my extended family. It's just not who I am or was. I have a few good memories of my grandparents, but otherwise I must admit there's not much to go on. Especially with my grandpa. I love them and I think they're good people, but I almost don't feel like they're as close as my nuclear family. I just don't have that connection.

It's sad because they're both 80+ (probably close to 85) and my grandpa has pretty serious Alzheimer's, and to be honest they probably don't have very long on this Earth. And the worst part is I don't know if their passing will have a significant effect of me. Makes me wonder if I'm just stoic, or if I just don't care. Either way it's not a good thought.


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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: August 08 2012 at 21:15
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

I envy your photos Jim.  I have a few from long ago, and the only people who know who anybody is in them is 80 or older.



I have quite a lot of them, I could bore you guys for a long time!LOL

I did a lot of research figuring out who was who, and solved many of the mysteries.  But I so regret that i didn't start 20 years sooner when I had my grandparents around.  With their input it would have been so much better.  My parents just didn't have all the info I needed. 


Posted By: The Neck Romancer
Date Posted: August 08 2012 at 21:46
One of my grandmothers is dead. My paternal grandfather has advanced Parkinson's, the maternal one probably has Alzheimer's.

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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: November 18 2012 at 00:30
More on my grandparents:



Standing somewhere in the city of Yerevan, Armenia.

Top row: my grandma (left) and grandpa (right). (Bottom row: my mom (left) and aunt Marianna (right).) My grandma was born in '39 (I believe); as for my grandma, I'm not sure. Asking my mom right now. Here's what's weird: the daughters look like they are 5-6 y.o. but the grandparents look like they are in their 50's, albeit my mom was born in '66. What's also weird is that now the daughters look nothing like what they are on that picture.




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