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Topic: the Beatles vs Roxy MusicPosted By: Icarium
Subject: the Beatles vs Roxy Music
Date Posted: May 03 2012 at 14:33
two of the most influentual bands in the world, and who defines a style, genre, and defines a decade, whos sound is detected in many bands after them, disticnt bands with distinct sounds which have made their mark on the pop scene, and prog scene, and art scene,
Original UK LPs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Please_Please_Me" rel="nofollow - Please Please Me (1963)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/With_The_Beatles" rel="nofollow - With The Beatles (1963)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Hard_Days_Night_%28album%29" rel="nofollow - A Hard Day's Night (1964)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beatles_for_Sale" rel="nofollow - Beatles for Sale (1964)
Posted By: CryoftheCarrots
Date Posted: May 03 2012 at 18:03
If I was to compare the Beatles last 4 against Roxy Music's first 4 albums, yeh could possibly do that but Beatles would probably still win.For the entire discography - no contest.
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: May 03 2012 at 18:29
Lol. The Beatles.
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Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: May 03 2012 at 19:14
The Beatles, but Roxy Music is one of my favourite groups and have been just as influential IMO.
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: May 03 2012 at 19:25
what is this poll?
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Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: May 03 2012 at 20:35
This is a massacre. Roxy has their place, and I like them a lot, but it is far below that of the Beatles.
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Posted By: Misomex777
Date Posted: May 03 2012 at 20:41
This poll is a
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: May 04 2012 at 00:51
Rutgers Joe wrote:
This is silly.
no it issent, any band can be put against eachother, ANY AT ALL ,
and both bands are very influentual, and very very high quality, and Roxy is a very much repsected rock band, maybe not as much as the Beatles, but the band have credibility, and is intelegent enough to go over some peoples heads,
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: May 04 2012 at 00:52
you are all silly ,
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: May 04 2012 at 01:03
Roxy were much better musicians in their 1975 incarnation (Jobson and Wetton were in the band then). In the early days they even had Davy O'List (ex Nice) involved. A very interesting band and some classic songs.
Beatles were obviously iconic and changed the face of music so its impossible to put anyone up against them although I would have selected Queen as more likely to last at least 5 rounds rather than getting put down in the 1st round
Posted By: iluvmarillion
Date Posted: May 04 2012 at 01:58
richardh wrote:
Roxy were much better musicians in their 1975 incarnation (Jobson and Wetton were in the band then). In the early days they even had Davy O'List (ex Nice) involved. A very interesting band and some classic songs.
Beatles were obviously iconic and changed the face of music so its impossible to put anyone up against them although I would have selected Queen as more likely to last at least 5 rounds rather than getting put down in the 1st round
Have to disagree with you there. I think Roxy Music were a better band when Eno was in the band. They drifted more towards pop music after Eno left and were more of an art band when Eno was there. Have to admit though that Stranded is a top album without Eno being there. Since The Beatles are going to win this hands down how about a poll between Roxy Music, Queen and Split Enz, three great 70's rock art bands?
Posted By: The-Winkler
Date Posted: May 04 2012 at 03:54
Roxy
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: May 04 2012 at 04:19
I listen to Roxy Music more, but I would dispute they were as influential or 'important' as The Beatles.
Roxt gets the vote anyway, though. I'm feeling awkward today, and currently much prefer RM.
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: May 04 2012 at 07:11
I'm going to have to think about this, for half a nanosecond. I like Roxy but this is no contest.
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: May 04 2012 at 14:30
iluvmarillion wrote:
richardh wrote:
Roxy were much better musicians in their 1975 incarnation (Jobson and Wetton were in the band then). In the early days they even had Davy O'List (ex Nice) involved. A very interesting band and some classic songs.
Beatles were obviously iconic and changed the face of music so its impossible to put anyone up against them although I would have selected Queen as more likely to last at least 5 rounds rather than getting put down in the 1st round
Have to disagree with you there. I think Roxy Music were a better band when Eno was in the band. They drifted more towards pop music after Eno left and were more of an art band when Eno was there. Have to admit though that Stranded is a top album without Eno being there. Since The Beatles are going to win this hands down how about a poll between Roxy Music, Queen and Split Enz, three great 70's rock art bands?
I don't know enough about Roxy to judge their best work just making the observation they had some serious 'muscle' in their line up around 1975 ,in fact the embryo of a future prog supergroup.
Posted By: giselle
Date Posted: May 04 2012 at 14:34
Is this a serious poll? The Beatles compared to Roxy music?
Posted By: Mr Greeen Genes
Date Posted: May 05 2012 at 15:10
I do like The Beatles, but Roxy Music !!!
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: May 05 2012 at 15:16
giselle wrote:
Is this a serious poll? The Beatles compared to Roxy music?
ofcourse
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Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: May 07 2012 at 18:06
This is totally unfair and in essence, complete lunacy to compare the 2. Firstly the Beatles were a massive worldwide phenomenon as well as creative giants who forged a path for a new illuminated youth . Certainly Roxy did grand things in the long-hair, bell-bottom hippie days (early 70s) and their legacy is fantastic but the Beatles can only be rated against the Who , maybe the Kinks or the awful Rolling Bones.
Now Roxy vs Bowie, that's a better clash, with RM winning easily !
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: May 07 2012 at 19:30
Don't want to be offensive with the fans but, IMO Roxy Music is a non-transcendental t hybrid between Rock, Prog and Pop, which influenced very few and lost most of their creativity when Brian Eno left.
On the other hand, The Beatles are an icon for everybody and the most influential Rock & Pop band of history.
Iván
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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: May 07 2012 at 20:00
Rutgers Joe wrote:
This is silly.
Put up with it. Some people actually voted for RM.
Nonetheless, ... Mother Superior, jump the gu-u-u-u-u-u-u-u-un ... The Fat Toys. I mean, The Fab Boys.
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: May 08 2012 at 01:58
People seem to be taking this far too seriously. Not everyone has the Beatles as their favourite band or even in their top twenty ,or fifty for that matter. I rarely listen to them although I obviously greatly respect their achievments and they have of course many great songs. Fine but you can still state a preference without being so snotty about it.
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: May 08 2012 at 03:02
richardh wrote:
... Fine, but you can still state a preference without being so snotty about it.
Snot running down his nose greasy fingers smearing shabby clothes.
thats truly unpleasant thanks
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: May 08 2012 at 23:44
richardh wrote:
People seem to be taking this far too seriously. Not everyone has the Beatles as their favourite band or even in their top twenty ,or fifty for that matter. I rarely listen to them although I obviously greatly respect their achievments and they have of course many great songs. Fine but you can still state a preference without being so snotty about it.
That's me
When I joined PA and still used the word overrated (Now I despise that expression), I started a thread about how overrated The Beatles were, so as you can imagine, they are not in my top 100, except maybe for "Abbey Road".
But this guys made a revolution. They are essential influence for Rock, Pop, Psych and Prog, so even when they are not my cup of tea (Specially until Sgt Peppers) denying their transcendence would be a madness.
And IMO Roxy Music was a good band but nothing more.
Iván
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Posted By: resurrection
Date Posted: May 27 2012 at 01:05
An embarrassing no-brainer
Posted By: criticdrummer94
Date Posted: September 09 2012 at 00:12
This isn't even fair. Roxy Music would have a better match-up against The Velvet Underground, IMO.
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Posted By: KingCrInuYasha
Date Posted: September 09 2012 at 01:00
I think it depends on what you're looking for in your taste in music. Honestly, this poll might as well be something like, say, King Crimson vs. Creedence Clearwater Revival. Granted Crimson has a larger, more varied output, but someone might prefer CCR because they like that style of music better.
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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: September 10 2012 at 01:31
criticdrummer94 wrote:
This isn't even fair. Roxy Music would have a better match-up against The Velvet Underground, IMO.
Been a Fab Four fan for a long time and will always be, Thanks Dad!
Let's get something straight: this poll wasn't made for you. Obviously, there are some people who would take Roxy Music over The Beatles. This isn't a matter of fairness.
Posted By: The Jester
Date Posted: September 10 2012 at 07:04
I will not say that is silly etc... Nothing is silly. You put two bands for voting. No harm at all! But it is kind of unfair for Roxy IMHO. Is a band I really like, (especially the first 4-5 albums), but against the Beatles? Impossible! I will vote for the Beatles of course, but I'm saying again it's a bit unffair... But you gave me a nice idea, and I will set right now 2(!) new polls. IMHO they will make more sense...
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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: September 10 2012 at 07:23
I love Roxy Music. But, uh, still, The Beatles.
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Posted By: The Jester
Date Posted: September 10 2012 at 07:35
Anyone knows how can I start a topic here, and put a poll? Because it seems I can't...
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Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: September 10 2012 at 07:35
I like Roxy Music's first two albums a lot, but come on, it;s the Beatles.
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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: September 10 2012 at 17:39
The Jester wrote:
Anyone knows how can I start a topic here, and put a poll? Because it seems I can't...
Check out the lounge the general topic of which fits the topic of your to-be thread and click on "New Thread".
Posted By: Eria Tarka
Date Posted: September 10 2012 at 19:11
Beatles.. really no contest for me.
Posted By: gr8dane
Date Posted: September 10 2012 at 20:05
Never owned a Beatles album.
Can understand there are more people preferring them,
though I ain't one of them.
Roxy for me.
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Posted By: Kashmir75
Date Posted: September 13 2012 at 00:42
Pink Floyd? Led Zeppelin? I'd argue they have had more influence on popular music than Roxy.
Anyway, the Beatles win this, clearly. Nothing against Roxy, but there are few bands that can stand head to head with the Beatles and walk away alive.
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: September 13 2012 at 01:09
Im not saying that All Music guide is a bible or anything but their list of bands influenced by is quite good and very accurate and also the list of bands who is supposedly influenced by Roxy Music is this long
http://www.allmusic.com/artist/joe-jackson-mn0000784732" rel="nofollow - Joe Jackson
http://www.allmusic.com/artist/the-blue-nile-mn0000047033" rel="nofollow - The Blue Nile
http://www.allmusic.com/artist/the-boomtown-rats-mn0000520033" rel="nofollow - The Boomtown Rats
http://www.allmusic.com/artist/the-call-mn0000940583" rel="nofollow - The Call
http://www.allmusic.com/artist/the-chameleons-uk-mn0001557918" rel="nofollow - The Chameleons UK
http://www.allmusic.com/artist/the-church-mn0000764181" rel="nofollow - The Church
http://www.allmusic.com/artist/the-creatures-mn0000137980" rel="nofollow - The Creatures
http://www.allmusic.com/artist/the-tubes-mn0000918290" rel="nofollow - The Tubes
http://www.allmusic.com/artist/yaz-mn0000680522" rel="nofollow - Yaz
the list of bands who have influenced Roxy includes the Beatles which i have never stated differently, the Beatles is humongesly infuentual also, but never doubt the power Roxys music have been to other rock music groopes, the hoe New Wave scene is in some way or another, influenced by Roxy, and New Romanitcs music
influenced by
http://www.allmusic.com/artist/king-crimson-mn0000076057" rel="nofollow - King Crimson
http://www.allmusic.com/artist/little-richard-mn0000824022" rel="nofollow - Little Richard
http://www.allmusic.com/artist/the-creation-mn0000110341" rel="nofollow - The Creation
http://www.allmusic.com/artist/the-pretty-things-mn0000489676" rel="nofollow - The Pretty Things
http://www.allmusic.com/artist/the-rolling-stones-mn0000894465" rel="nofollow - The Rolling Stones
http://www.allmusic.com/artist/the-who-mn0000577627" rel="nofollow - The Who
http://www.allmusic.com/artist/cliff-richard-mn0000153526" rel="nofollow - Cliff Richard
http://www.allmusic.com/artist/family-mn0000171133" rel="nofollow - Family
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Posted By: DiamondDog
Date Posted: September 18 2012 at 11:24
This poll proves yet again that the vast majority of punters can't differentiate between personal taste and artistic quality. You can (and indeed have the absolute right) to love something that is artistically awful. You can loathe something that is artistically marvelous. It's not knowing one from the other that devalues genuine criticism.
Posted By: Green Shield Stamp
Date Posted: September 20 2012 at 15:07
Much as I love Roxy Music, they don't belong in the same poll as the Beatles. I suspect that there is hardly a musician alive today who hasn't been influenced in some way by the Beatles. The same cannot be said of Roxy Music.
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Posted By: AimoKankkunen
Date Posted: September 22 2012 at 05:44
I share Your sentiments that any band can be put against each other ..but Beatles against Roxy Music
But i still wouldnt put against Beethovens 5th with full symphony orchestra against version made with harmonica.. same song but somehow the harmonica version is going to lose
Posted By: NYSPORTSFAN
Date Posted: September 24 2012 at 10:27
IMO it's very hard to compare bands from different time periods the only thing I could say is Brian Eno will tell you the Beatles influenced him the disorienting blur of tape loops, backward tapes, ambient passages and bizarre vocal effects that the Beatles did was a major source of influence on him.
The Beatles experimented in just about every way possible — phased vocals ("And Your Bird Can Sing"), dreamlike guitars running in reverse ("I'm Only Sleeping"), the wild abuse of tape loops ("Tomorrow Never Knows") the songwriting was as strong as it had ever been. Its dissonance was modern, and the wake it's left is audible in everything Animal Collective has achieved.
The Beatles were not a mere "pop" band. Only a real simpleton
would make THAT charge. Nor did they compose a lot love songs (some of the not
as a group ). Some of their songs, in fact, were actually quite radical,
sophisticated and even weird (for their time period) both musically and
thematically,.. namely songs like "Tomorrow Never Knows", 'Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds ( L.S.D. ),
Strawberry Fields, and I Am the Walrus ( as a few examples ).
Posted By: Pelata
Date Posted: January 14 2013 at 11:31
The Beatles.
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: January 14 2013 at 11:51
Los Beatlos
Posted By: Federico95
Date Posted: January 14 2013 at 11:58
The Beatles. But the latest Roxy Music (especially the album Avalon) had a class that can't be compared to anything else.
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Posted By: The Bearded Bard
Date Posted: January 14 2013 at 12:20
Les Beatles
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: January 14 2013 at 12:35
Abbey Road alone is more transcendentyal than all Roxy Music career
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: January 14 2013 at 12:53
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Abbey Road alone is more transcendentyal than all Roxy Music career
Even though I'm quite fond of the first two Roxy albums: Abbey Road is quite another level indeed.