Rolling Stones Latest Best Guitarist List
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Topic: Rolling Stones Latest Best Guitarist List
Posted By: yanch
Subject: Rolling Stones Latest Best Guitarist List
Date Posted: November 23 2011 at 16:15
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Okay, that joke of a magazine Rolling Stone just published a new best guitarist list- http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/100-greatest-guitarists-20111123" rel="nofollow - http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/100-greatest-guitarists-20111123 . I know I shouldn't let it bother me, but they've really out done themselves this time around as far as I'm concerned. We will all have major problems with their choices-and I look forward to reading your comments. For me there are 3 enormous problems with the list: 1-Steve Howe is totally omitted 2-Alex Lifeson is ranked 98th 3-Robert Fripp is ranked 62nd I'm not even going to rant about others on the list, there are just so many ridiculous choices and omissions, but as a prog fan these 3 things really piss me off. So have fun and go at it. |
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 23 2011 at 16:17
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Keith Richards 4? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Adams Bolero
Date Posted: November 23 2011 at 16:34
John Lennon and the Edge are ranked above Robert Fripp! ------------- ''Nobody realizes that some people expend tremendous energy merely to be normal.'' - Albert Camus |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: November 23 2011 at 16:34
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Nobody cares. And if anyone else in the entire world almost cared, they would not care enough to click 100 times through their goddamn slideshow. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: November 23 2011 at 16:37
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^ indeed got to 96 and gave up.
^^ of course KR is 4. ------------- Help me I'm falling! |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: November 23 2011 at 16:37
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These lists have very little to do with skill, tone, or compositional ability. It's about personality and fame- nothing more.
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: November 23 2011 at 16:41
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That magazine should really start focusing more on what they are experts at: food. ------------- 
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: November 23 2011 at 16:43
I actually spent a reasonable amount of time trying to get the full text list because I care about protesting slideshows more than I care about people caring about lists for no good reason, but I did not have any success. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
akamaisondufromage wrote:Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: November 23 2011 at 16:43
 ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: ProgressiveAttic
Date Posted: November 23 2011 at 16:46
just do what every frustrated Prog fan would do: start a poll/thread about the real best guitarists of all time!  ------------- Michael's Sonic Kaleidoscope Mondays 5:00pm EST(re-runs Thursdays 3:00pm) @ Delicious Agony Progressive Rock Radio(http://www.deliciousagony.com) 
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Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: November 23 2011 at 16:50
Well said. Normally, a band or artist is rated according to their commercial success, not their skills at their instruments, or quality of their music. I never care for this lists, and will not take/waste my time to read through them, since I dont really care what these people say.
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Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: November 23 2011 at 16:52
Entirely the reason why I never read these things. ------------- http://hanashukketsu.bandcamp.com" rel="nofollow - Hanashukketsu |
Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: November 23 2011 at 16:53
| Steve Morse not in the top 100? |
Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: November 23 2011 at 16:53
I used the ribbon thing on top and moused over each one so I could read all their names. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: November 23 2011 at 17:13
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But the voters are largely musicians, some of whom made the list itself, even some who are on PA (Lifeson, Santana), so you can't really blame Rolling Stone. In fact I'd say there's more a conflict of interest among the voters than bad judgment by the magazine. Rolling Stone sees itself as a bastion of "real" or "classic" rock, and probably in their eyes "quality rock", and in that light both the voters and the winners make sense. No? |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: November 23 2011 at 17:24
| I hate that magazine |
Posted By: dreadpirateroberts
Date Posted: November 23 2011 at 17:24
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I checked the top ten and I liked that the tiny article was often written by a guitar player at least. No Steve Howe on the list is bad stuff. ------------- We are men of action. Lies do not become us. http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/" rel="nofollow - JazzMusicArchives. |
Posted By: progistoomainstream
Date Posted: November 23 2011 at 17:32
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Why does that magazine have to only talk about popular artists. I prefer Classic Rock presents: PROG ------------- 
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: November 23 2011 at 17:39
Or lack thereof |
Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: November 23 2011 at 18:42
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I didn't bother as I knew either these wouldn't make the list at all or would be rated far below what I thought they should be. Steve Hackett, Steve Howe (saw he made it but he'd make my top 5), Robert Fripp (saw he made it too, top 10 for him), Andy Latimer, Jorma Kaukonen, Tommy Iommi (he had to make the list), Brian May (him too), Jorma Kaukonen (maybe), Ant Phillips. Politics makes me angry enough, don't need some fad of the moment rag to make me angry. ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: November 23 2011 at 18:54
| Rolling Stone hasn't been relevant for years, why is this news? |
Posted By: MattGuitat
Date Posted: November 23 2011 at 19:41
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STEVE HOWE SHOULD BE AT NUMBER 1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: November 23 2011 at 19:44
Exactly. They sold out decades ago. It's a fashion magazine now. Sadly, these are the same dolts who run the inane Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: zappaholic
Date Posted: November 23 2011 at 19:47
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Rolling Stone, and Jann Wenner in particular, has never liked prog. Ever. Not one little bit. ------------- "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." -- H.L. Mencken |
Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: November 23 2011 at 19:50
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It makes me wonder what the criteria was, or even if there was any. I'll wager that a lot of those on the list are there because they influenced the voters - and that is an impressive list. I disagree with a lot of the rankings, but there are a number of great guitar players on there, and at least they got both Jimi Hendrix and Jeff Beck in the top five. Some of the standings had to result from the multiple voters choosing them. There are very few on the list that I regard as poor guitarists (Bruce Springsteen among them), and there were a few I did not know. Oh well, we all have our own lists, do we not? ------------- The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty" |
Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: November 23 2011 at 19:51
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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: November 23 2011 at 20:32
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Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: November 23 2011 at 20:35
Exactly--it has nothing to do with music--it's a political --style--pop culture mag---god Howe placed in the list in the 80's I think last year or a few years ago--but god Hackett never made it at all as far as I know----but really who cares.
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: November 23 2011 at 20:50
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Please, aren't we used after decades of the same sh*t? Who cares of what Rolling Stones, MTV or VH1 say or write? Prog doesn't sell magazines get used. If I cared, I wouldn't be listening Prog for more than three decades. Iván ------------- 
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: November 23 2011 at 20:57
 I have no respect for RS or their opinions on anything. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: November 23 2011 at 22:22
so true---he loved Yoko Ono---but even the great masterpieces of prog they dismissed--Jann Wenner was never a size queen
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 24 2011 at 01:58
| Can't say that I really care as its obviously not aimed at prog fans and seems skewed very heavily to an American perception of music. At least one of my favourite guitarists Leslie West recognised at least.Pity that Matt Bellamy isn't in there but Rolling Stone probably hasn't even heard of him . |
Posted By: Proggernaut
Date Posted: November 24 2011 at 02:14
Bruce Springsteen made the list....it was at that point I gave up looking at it  -------------  Proggernaut (Noun) - one who is exploring the endlessly expanding universe of progressive music.
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Posted By: Intruder
Date Posted: November 24 2011 at 08:41
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The sole purpose of the list is to sell magazines, so RS props up certain rock personalities to reenforce those opinions of readers who still find RS relevant (and throws in a few wild cards for those oldsters who still remember quality).....hey, look, my fave guitarst is #8 on the list - I must have good taste....pass the Stone (it validates my shallow tastes). I shouldn't pick on RS - I haven't bothered to read any of their lists since Beat failed to make the Top 50 Albums of 1982. Did Robert Quine or Steve Hunter make the list....how about David Lindley....how about Phil Miller? ------------- I like to feel the suspense when you're certain you know I am there..... |
Posted By: yanch
Date Posted: November 24 2011 at 09:27
Great comments all. I'll add a few more myself now that I'm calmer. First, I agree that RS could care less about prog, is all about selling magazine subscriptions, etc. I haven't read it in years either. What is interesting is that even though many of us don't care about the magazine and understand their motivation, we clearly care very much about our music and the fact that many talented guitarists were slighted, and also we care enough to post some kind of comments here! Even if we don't care in the big picture, it's nice to vent about the BS any way! 
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Posted By: KingCrInuYasha
Date Posted: November 25 2011 at 14:58
Or, to quote Jethro Tull, "We'll be geared toward the average rather than the exceptional". This may sound a bit paranoid, but I can't help but feel a vibe of PC from these guys. If they put too many guitarists on there with technical skill, they think they'll upset the ones who are not as skilled. No, it does not mean it simple guitarist is automatically inferior to a complex guitarist. Chuck Berry, pre-1967 Pete Townshend , Ron Ashton and a bunch of blues guitarists made pure music gold with very little that could rank with the bast records praised here on this site. Still, if you look at some of the articles (check "Of Pop Pies and Fun" by Lester Bangs, for example), they'll come up with the most ridiculous reasons why being good at your instrument is bad. If this is the "true spirit" of Rock 'n' Roll, then Rock 'n' Roll is one of the most pretentious things to come out of the world of art. ------------- He looks at this world and wants it all... so he strikes, like Thunderball! |
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: December 02 2011 at 19:21
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Well, at least they acknowledged Frank Zappa as a talented guitarist (many seem to overlook his guitar skills for his composition, appearance etc.). Kurt Cobain? Billy Coorgan? Johnny Ramone??? I think Rolling Stone makes these lists just to piss us off! Even without dipping far into the pool of prog talent, I could vastly improve this list....Michael Schenker, Larry Rhinehardt, John Goodsall, etc. etc. I hate Rolling Stone magazine....
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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: December 02 2011 at 19:48
This is what John Goodsall says about it on his Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/johngoodsall" rel="nofollow - Goodsall f that rolling stone mag silly gtr poll.splash? ramone? perry? hollywood dicksukkers these creeps can't even Tune a gtr! Where's Trower? hmmmm Howe?????Where's Martino? DiMeaola? Summers? Metheny mmmkay? Burton?.....whatever! At least Tom Morello & Prince made it in there. Rolling Stone Fagazine shut the F*** UP ! ---- Love that guy, what a card!
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: December 02 2011 at 19:51
Erm...Keith Richards would be in my top ten (for feel, texture, tone and the ability to enhance what is usually very simple harmonic territory plus his exploitation of open tuning)
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Posted By: BarryGlibb
Date Posted: December 02 2011 at 21:09
Or more aptly; to quote Ian Anderson from "Baker St Muse" (Minstrel In The Gallery).......... "I have no time for Time Magazine....or Rolling Stone" |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: December 02 2011 at 21:11
he isn't by any chance 11, is he? |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: December 02 2011 at 21:18
The only time I´ve ever really cared about something from that magazine, is when I read the marathon interview they did with John Lennon after he split with The Beatles. It got published as a small book, and I enjoy reading in it from time to time. John is honest about himself and what a prick he could be, the drug-use, the music and how he felt. He´s intelligent and it comes across in a way that really speaks to me. He was brilliant on so many levels About this list. Common you guys! It would be something like McDonalds cooking up a list of the greatest restaurants in the world. However, I tend to agree with Iain about Keith Richards as I personally think he is one of greatest rhythm guitarists ever inside rock music. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: December 02 2011 at 21:45
Ha ha ha!! He calls 'em, I just share 'em!!
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Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: December 05 2011 at 10:45
| The Rolling Stone doesn't know anything about music. You're surprised? |
Posted By: The-time-is-now
Date Posted: December 06 2011 at 10:05
And +1 ! -------------  One of my best achievements in life was to find this picture :D |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: December 06 2011 at 11:38
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Weren't these guitarists voted for by other guitarists?
If so, they're not the choices of Rolling Stone. Still, crap magazine. Only read it once. They were going on about what a 'genius' Kurt Cobain was. Never bought it since. That was many many years ago.. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |