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Topic: Is The GOP Race Over?Posted By: Textbook
Subject: Is The GOP Race Over?
Date Posted: November 13 2011 at 00:26
It's Romney isn't it. Though Huntsman would stand a better chance of beating Obama, he won't get the nomination because he has been comprehensively painted as a moderate despite the fact that a close look at him reveals he is very conservative. In fact he's probably more genuinely conservative than Romney who'll be whatever you want him to be if it'll get him a vote.
Of the rest, these days only Gingrich deserves serious consideration but he just has too much baggage and there's a widely accepted view that he doesn't actually want to be president, just the publicity the race gives him.
So is it all sewn up? Will Romney face Obama? Or do you think there's a potential upset ahead of us?
Replies: Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: November 13 2011 at 00:26
Ron Paul or nothing k
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: November 13 2011 at 00:31
where's Pat Paulsen when you need him?
Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: November 13 2011 at 00:36
Textbook wrote:
Though Huntsman would stand a better chance of beating Obama
No, he wouldn't get any Republican votes because he's a moderate and wouldn't get any Democrat votes because he labels himself a Republican.
, he won't get the nomination because he has been comprehensively painted as a moderate despite the fact that a close look at him reveals he is very conservative.
Nope.
In fact he's probably more genuinely conservative than Romney
Nope, Romney is quite clearly a conservative who's had a few liberal tendencies.
who'll be whatever you want him to be if it'll get him a vote.
Maybe.
Most prog fans only like him because he's a DT fan, I don't know if that's the case with you. Huntsman is extremely moderate, I practically don't know what he is which would be more appealing if he actually labeled himself as an independent rather than a republican who can't win a nomination. Honestly, he's been mediocre in every debate (tonight's wasn't as bad) and doesn't act like a serious candidate at all.
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: November 13 2011 at 06:38
I would put any halfway reasonable republican up against Obama, which would be Ron Paul. I will still hold my nose and vote Obama. Here's where the fun comes in. I can take a republican ballot when the primaries come to Georgia and either vote for the republican who I think would do the least damage to the country if elected or I can vote for the one I think most likely to lose against Obama.
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: November 13 2011 at 08:08
The media has done everything it can to make sure that Romney is Obama's contender in 2012. They give no time to Ron Paul or other candidates like Huntsman while giving plenty of time for stupid fights like Romney vs Perry in most debates. It looks like it is over, unless something very strange happens on election day.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: November 13 2011 at 08:18
Romney has managed to stay above the fray. So if he's inevitable, who should take the vice slot? I can't see Paul playing second fiddle to any of the others.
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: November 13 2011 at 08:30
^I would expect something quite nefarious.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: November 13 2011 at 08:34
Oh come on, its got to be something that works on a bumper sticker.
Romney Gingrich
uhh....
Seriously, toss Ron Paul out of the picture, who is your republican dream ticket? I don't care if you don't consider yourself to be a republican.
Bush Chainy
had a kind of clink to it.
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: November 13 2011 at 08:52
Romney-Huntsman sounds bearable... Romney-Bachmann sounds suicide-worthy... I don't know...
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Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: November 13 2011 at 09:03
Textbook wrote:
It's Romney isn't it. Though Huntsman would stand a better chance of beating Obama, he won't get the nomination because he has been comprehensively painted as a moderate despite the fact that a close look at him reveals he is very conservative. In fact he's probably more genuinely conservative than Romney who'll be whatever you want him to be if it'll get him a vote. Of the rest, these days only Gingrich deserves serious consideration but he just has too much baggage and there's a widely accepted view that he doesn't actually want to be president, just the publicity the race gives him.
So is it all sewn up? Will Romney face Obama? Or do you think there's a potential upset ahead of us?
Huntsman can't gain any traction because his supporters would be the same people Romney already has sown up. Romney has been running his "I reeeeally wanna be President" campaign for 5 years and Huntsman just haven't given those rats, who've hung with Romney this long, enough reason to leave. Huntsman will drop out when he does poorer than expected in NH.
Newt Gingrich is smart enough to challenge Romney. Unfortunantly, he is also pure evil. He decided to run this time around because he knows the position of president has become a dictatorship and he thinks it'd be fun to rule over everyone with an iron fist.
Cain is a dunce but he is also a plant, that appeases the establishment and can pull the wool of the eyes of the supposedly conservative tea party, so he will be hanging around for awhile. An "outsider" that chaired a branch of the Federal Reserve, give me a break GOP.
Rick Perry is, in fact, George W Bush in disguise. Speech pattern and mannerisms both fit. Wouldn't be surprised if W pulled off the Perry mask on stage, at one of the debates, said "gotcha" then ran off stage giggling. That said, Perry has the money to hang around through the first few southern primaries but he can't recover from his debate problems.
If you just look at where we are in this country right now, Ron Paul should be thje clear frontrunner. The media and republican establishment would never let that happen though and continue to paint peace, liberty, and the Constitution as "fringe" ideas.
Bachmann and Santorum aren't worth mentioning because they will both be dropping out after Iowa. They have as much right to be on stage, at this point, as Thaddeus McCotter.
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Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: November 13 2011 at 10:38
Luckily Herman Cain is still in the field, he'll come out of those allegations as a blossoming candidate.
Posted By: TheMasterMofo
Date Posted: November 13 2011 at 10:57
manofmystery wrote:
Textbook wrote:
It's Romney isn't it. Though Huntsman would stand a better chance of beating Obama, he won't get the nomination because he has been comprehensively painted as a moderate despite the fact that a close look at him reveals he is very conservative. In fact he's probably more genuinely conservative than Romney who'll be whatever you want him to be if it'll get him a vote. Of the rest, these days only Gingrich deserves serious consideration but he just has too much baggage and there's a widely accepted view that he doesn't actually want to be president, just the publicity the race gives him.
So is it all sewn up? Will Romney face Obama? Or do you think there's a potential upset ahead of us?
Huntsman can't gain any traction because his supporters would be the same people Romney already has sown up. Romney has been running his "I reeeeally wanna be President" campaign for 5 years and Huntsman just haven't given those rats, who've hung with Romney this long, enough reason to leave. Huntsman will drop out when he does poorer than expected in NH.
Newt Gingrich is smart enough to challenge Romney. Unfortunantly, he is also pure evil. He decided to run this time around because he knows the position of president has become a dictatorship and he thinks it'd be fun to rule over everyone with an iron fist.
Cain is a dunce but he is also a plant, that appeases the establishment and can pull the wool of the eyes of the supposedly conservative tea party, so he will be hanging around for awhile. An "outsider" that chaired a branch of the Federal Reserve, give me a break GOP.
Rick Perry is, in fact, George W Bush in disguise. Speech pattern and mannerisms both fit. Wouldn't be surprised if W pulled off the Perry mask on stage, at one of the debates, said "gotcha" then ran off stage giggling. That said, Perry has the money to hang around through the first few southern primaries but he can't recover from his debate problems.
If you just look at where we are in this country right now, Ron Paul should be thje clear frontrunner. The media and republican establishment would never let that happen though and continue to paint peace, liberty, and the Constitution as "fringe" ideas.
Bachmann and Santorum aren't worth mentioning because they will both be dropping out after Iowa. They have as much right to be on stage, at this point, as Thaddeus McCotter.
Hey now, Thaddeus is a Rush fan, a pretty decent guitarist, and a really funny dude. That buys him a deserving spot on any stage any time he wants to be! Oh, and in all seriousness he'd be a better president than at least half of the current candidates. Sadly he's not one of the media's chosen ones like Perry, Romney, Gingrich, and Cain are.
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: November 13 2011 at 12:27
I'm looking at this from a slightly ignorant, outside British, perspective, but it strikes me that the Republican Party is in the same straits as Labour in the 1980's and Conservatives in late 90's and 00's were over here - playing to their own captive party members only, full of good old fashioned ideology that appeals to the politically dedicated, but not the "middle" voter who decides elections.
It is an abiding fact that the vast majority of voters can't stand politicians, don't care much for politics per se, and are far more likely to be engaged by the X Factor (or whatever your American equivalent is) than they are by a debate on macroeconomic policy.
The key to winning elections is to appeal sufficiently to these people without scaring them half to death.
I do not, by the way, think this a necessarily good thing.
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Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: November 13 2011 at 16:34
You know who I really like? Buddy Roemer. Hasn't a chance though.
I am also surprised by the media's insistence on ignoring Fred Karger. I would've thought that the first openly gay man running for president would be a good story to sell a few papers with, but nope, he can't get the time of day from the press.
I have a confused relationship with Paul. He has some good ideas, is organised and has the knowledge but he's also a little bit crazy. I get the heeby-jeebies picturing him as president but he certainly deserves to have his voice heard.
Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: November 13 2011 at 16:37
Seeing as so many people think Romney has this in the bag, the real fun is to be head in guessing who will drop out next. Could be anybody really. Santorum, Huntsman, Karger, Johnson, Roemer. Bachmann and Perry may as well drop out but I expect them to fight to the finish out of pride. At least Perry will, Bachmann might be forced to call it a day when she fails in Iowa.
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: November 13 2011 at 16:37
Probably Romney.
Real question: Does it really matter?
Answer: No, of course not!
Ron Paul would make some difference, not saying good or bad but it would be a difference, outside him...we will see the same sh*t different year.
What is sad though Paul actually makes the most sense. These other GOPers, pretty much every single one, gives me he the heeby jeebies thinking about them as President. That's being polite...more like they make me ruin my pants. Of course Obama and the Dems are no better.
So it dun realy matter.
Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: November 13 2011 at 16:40
Paul is probably the smartest person on that stage but Huntsman is more balanced.
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: November 13 2011 at 16:43
Again, what's the point?
This is all fun but when it comes down to the real nitty gritty, we might as well just have given Wubya a third term. And a fourth, while we're at it. If the US was smart enough they'd see this is pretty much what we're getting anyway.
Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: November 13 2011 at 16:45
I understand what you're saying and you're not necessarily wrong, but this discussion is for people who enjoy the gossip/speculation of the race such as myself.
Huntsman would probably make a great VP but Romney would never choose him. Why? One Mormon is bad enough, two of them would look like some conspiracy that would freak out the Republican base. I think Paul has already said he has no interest in being VP and would not even endorse anyone else if he failed to get the nomination.
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: November 13 2011 at 16:47
Fair enough, since you were so nice about it I shall leave.
Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: November 13 2011 at 17:13
The field after NH will look like this:
Romney
Paul
Cain
Perry
Gingrich
That is one thing I'm 99% sure of (1% allowing for how delusional Santorum may be)
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Posted By: TheMasterMofo
Date Posted: November 13 2011 at 17:42
Textbook wrote:
Seeing as so many people think Romney has this in the bag, the real fun is to be head in guessing who will drop out next. Could be anybody really. Santorum, Huntsman, Karger, Johnson, Roemer. Bachmann and Perry may as well drop out but I expect them to fight to the finish out of pride. At least Perry will, Bachmann might be forced to call it a day when she fails in Iowa.
Everyone thought that McCain was eliminated last primary and look at what happened... Unfortunately.
Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: November 13 2011 at 20:39
There are a few prominent commentators, including Ariana Huffington, who think Huntsman could turn out to be a big deal, specifically that there's a chance that Huntsman will be the beneficiary of a sudden surge when people realise that he could beat Obama more easily than any other GOP candidate including Romney.
I mean, does the Republican party want to take a stand on conservative principles or win the election? Romney is a compromise between the two poles and so therefore satisfies neither the Republican base or moderate voters. On the other hand, no Republican candidate would find it as easy to appeal to moderates as Huntsman and it's not as if Republicans would vote for Obama out of spite. I think he would be a real danger, whereas Romney would probably just sort of bore and amuse people by turns without really changing anyone's mind.
There are only three candidates who could debate Obama, Romney, Huntsman and Gingrich. Anyone else would end up sorry they were ever born after a few hours being ripped on national TV by the big O. This is kind of why I hope Cain gets the nomination because boy oh boy would that make for some funny debates. Obama would probably toss his notes aside after twenty minutes and go "f**k this, I don't even need to waste my time debating you, I'm just gonna start making jokes."
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: November 13 2011 at 20:53
^I don't think he's the greatest debater ever, though I agree he's better than most of the other ones.
It's sad that presidents be elected only because of their debating skills...
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Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: November 13 2011 at 20:58
Very true that debate skills do not say much about someone's ability to make real time executive decisions.
However, when do we get to watch a candidate make realtime executive decisions.
SAY! That's a really good idea. In the future, anyone who wants to be a presidential candidate must agree to be followed by a film crew for 12 hours a day for a four month period before the primaries so we can see them making calls and doing their homework. It would not be broadcast but unedited footage would be available online for interested parties. The mainstream media would no doubt present us with little highlights packages but any accusations of clips being selectiely chosen or taken out of context, if true, should be able to be remedied by presenting other parts of the same footage. Don't want that level of scrutiny? Then you probably don't want to be president.
That's right, every GOP candidate should have their own reality show!
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: November 13 2011 at 21:07
^Well, with so many debates, it kinda feels like a reality show already... Sadly, Ron Paul gets to play the role of the guy the camera never focuses on...
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Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: November 13 2011 at 21:09
I remember reading that a significant amount of articles about Ron Paul are about asking why people never write articles about Ron Paul.
Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: November 13 2011 at 21:25
Textbook wrote:
There are a few prominent commentators, including Ariana Huffington, who think Huntsman could turn out to be a big deal, specifically that there's a chance that Huntsman will be the beneficiary of a sudden surge when people realise that he could beat Obama more easily than any other GOP candidate including Romney.
I mean, does the Republican party want to take a stand on conservative principles or win the election? Romney is a compromise between the two poles and so therefore satisfies neither the Republican base or moderate voters. On the other hand, no Republican candidate would find it as easy to appeal to moderates as Huntsman and it's not as if Republicans would vote for Obama out of spite. I think he would be a real danger, whereas Romney would probably just sort of bore and amuse people by turns without really changing anyone's mind.
There are only three candidates who could debate Obama, Romney, Huntsman and Gingrich. Anyone else would end up sorry they were ever born after a few hours being ripped on national TV by the big O. This is kind of why I hope Cain gets the nomination because boy oh boy would that make for some funny debates. Obama would probably toss his notes aside after twenty minutes and go "f**k this, I don't even need to waste my time debating you, I'm just gonna start making jokes."
With all do respect to Ariana, she's an idiot. She's as legitimate an expert on politics as I am on astrophysics. Huntsman will be out of the race after a poorer than expected showing in NH. The only reason the media keeps talking him up is that they like that he is closer to them than any of the other candidates phiosophically. You really think republican primary voters will be clamoring to the polls for someone slightly more liberal than Romney and used to work for Obama?
If Obama tossed his notes aside he'd turn into Rick Perry. Unless Ron Paul wins the nomination the debates will be completely devoid of any substance, anyway.
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Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: November 13 2011 at 21:37
I wasn't saying Huffington is right, I was just commenting on a phenomena I'd noticed. I too think Huntsman is going home after NH. But as someone said, remember McCain. And yes, McCain lost, but he was dealing with a massive wave of disillusionment and disappointment after Bush. Huntsman on ther other hand, would have the exact opposite situation, with a lot of people being disappointed with Obama.
And do you really think Republicans would Idly sit by and watch Obama win again rather than vote for
Huntsman?
I think you're wrong about the debates though. Romney wouldn't last long with Obama in a charisma battle so I think it would contain a lot of awkward facts and figures about the economy and some quite serious number crunching and discussion.
Posted By: TheMasterMofo
Date Posted: November 13 2011 at 21:37
Textbook wrote:
There are a few prominent commentators, including Ariana Huffington, who think Huntsman could turn out to be a big deal, specifically that there's a chance that Huntsman will be the beneficiary of a sudden surge when people realise that he could beat Obama more easily than any other GOP candidate including Romney.
I mean, does the Republican party want to take a stand on conservative principles or win the election? Romney is a compromise between the two poles and so therefore satisfies neither the Republican base or moderate voters. On the other hand, no Republican candidate would find it as easy to appeal to moderates as Huntsman and it's not as if Republicans would vote for Obama out of spite. I think he would be a real danger, whereas Romney would probably just sort of bore and amuse people by turns without really changing anyone's mind.
There are only three candidates who could debate Obama, Romney, Huntsman and Gingrich. Anyone else would end up sorry they were ever born after a few hours being ripped on national TV by the big O. This is kind of why I hope Cain gets the nomination because boy oh boy would that make for some funny debates. Obama would probably toss his notes aside after twenty minutes and go "f**k this, I don't even need to waste my time debating you, I'm just gonna start making jokes."
I certainly wouldn't call Obama a master debater...
Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: November 13 2011 at 21:50
Textbook wrote:
I wasn't saying Huffington is right, I was just commenting on a phenomena I'd noticed. I too think Huntsman is going home after NH. But as someone said, remember McCain. And yes, McCain lost, but he was dealing with a massive wave of disillusionment and disappointment after Bush. Huntsman on ther other hand, would have the exact opposite situation, with a lot of people being disappointed with Obama.
And do you really think Republicans would Idly sit by and watch Obama win again rather than vote for Huntsman?
I think you're wrong about the debates though. Romney wouldn't last long with Obama in a charisma battle so I think it would contain a lot of awkward facts and figures about the economy and some quite serious number crunching and discussion.
The "base" is going to be far less likely to hold their nose and vote for another McCain. Most who did it last time around probably still don't sleep well over it. This is the major reason I think Romney would have no chance of beating Obama.
Charisma can't carry Obama this time. He has to run against an actual record. Put him on the defensive and take away the teleprompter and huge cracks will appear in his armor. He is much much closer to Nixon than Kennedy, at this point, and it's going to bcome ever clearer. Only the hardcore supporter are still buying the fairytale.
There seems to be a surprising desire for substance right now (a major reason why neither Romney or anyone else can crack 25% in GOP polls).
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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: November 13 2011 at 22:35
Do not overlook the possibility of this dark horse candidate.
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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: November 13 2011 at 22:45
Since all GOP candidates follow this guy anyway, there's a strong chance they may just cut out the middle man and go straight for him as their nominee:
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Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: November 13 2011 at 23:56
Oh no, The Derptor is back
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Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: November 13 2011 at 23:57
The Doctor wrote:
Do not overlook the possibility of this dark horse candidate.
I say, FDR isn't looking too bad for his age
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Time always wins.
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: November 14 2011 at 04:19
manofmystery wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
Do not overlook the possibility of this dark horse candidate.
I say, FDR isn't looking too bad for his age
Actually that's Joe Lieberman.
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Posted By: TheMasterMofo
Date Posted: November 14 2011 at 05:29
The Doctor wrote:
Do not overlook the possibility of this dark horse candidate.
I'd take him over who we have now... At least he'd have a strong foreign policy.
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: November 14 2011 at 07:00
The T wrote:
^I don't think he's the greatest debater ever, though I agree he's better than most of the other ones.
It's sad that presidents be elected only because of their debating skills...
Not really. The debates are just one of the things by which you can evaluate a candidate. By the time they get around to it though it's more for entertainment for me because I follow politics the way some guys follow sports.
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: November 14 2011 at 10:08
Slartibartfast wrote:
The T wrote:
^I don't think he's the greatest debater ever, though I agree he's better than most of the other ones.
It's sad that presidents be elected only because of their debating skills...
Not really. The debates are just one of the things by which you can evaluate a candidate. By the time they get around to it though it's more for entertainment for me because I follow politics the way some guys follow sports.
I also follow debates and politics more than most sports, except Ecuadorian and Spain's soccer leagues, that is...
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: November 14 2011 at 20:37
Posted By: Dudemanguy
Date Posted: November 14 2011 at 20:48
And that is pretty much what I think is going to happen with the GOP Race. Unfortunately...
Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: November 14 2011 at 21:32
Back to Karger, besides being gay, the other thing about him that should've garnered press notice is his amusing but also pointed habit of producing videos of the GOP debates he is excluded from, into which he digitally inserts himself to show what he would have said if he had been there.
But no, totally ignored again.
One wonders if the conspiracy theory that the Republican machine has blackballed him for being gay has something to it.
And yeah Obama is not a master debater but he would run rings around Cain.
Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: November 15 2011 at 01:15
I am bitterly disappointed that Charlie Sheen has not entered the GOP race as I hoped.
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: November 15 2011 at 07:27
He was intimidated by the prospect of having to stand up to the reanimated corpse of Ronald Regan. Mecha-Streisand will come along and save the day.
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: November 15 2011 at 08:03
^He's afraid that Rick Santorum might manage to convert him and make him a decent citizen...
On the other hand, Santorum desperately needs some Charlie Sheen-ness...
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Date Posted: November 18 2011 at 11:18
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Date Posted: November 23 2011 at 07:06
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: November 25 2011 at 12:51
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: November 25 2011 at 13:27
Good idea. (Not for kids that young obviously, but for middle and HS
age. Nice work by the propaganda artist choosing a 5 year old for the
photo). But yeah, teens can use some convenient after-school
jobs in a safe environment, and school districts could save some much
needed resources. Teens would already be at the high school, meaning
less travel than if they worked at the mall, meaning energy savings/less
carbon output for all the "green" conscious. I would have liked this
option as opposed to fast food work back in my HS days.
There would still be an adult janitorial presence, well paid positions,
for work the kids can't handle. But certainly kids could use this
experience on a volunteer basis to their advantage and to the
districts. Other cultures around the world have kids do more in this
regard to keep their schools clean, and in some of these places they
also happened to be kicking our ass academically, so it isn't like it
has to be detrimental for teens to participate in after school jobs.
But of course, when ideas come forth that threaten unions, they must be
attacked whether they have some valid points or not. Can't rock those
boats. Slarti, this is the best you could come up with over the
holiday?....must be a slow day in the leftie hate blogs.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: November 25 2011 at 16:28
Finnforest wrote:
Good idea. (Not for kids that young obviously, but for middle and HS
age. Nice work by the propaganda artist choosing a 5 year old for the
photo). But yeah, teens can use some convenient after-school
jobs in a safe environment, and school districts could save some much
needed resources. Teens would already be at the high school, meaning
less travel than if they worked at the mall, meaning energy savings/less
carbon output for all the "green" conscious. I would have liked this
option as opposed to fast food work back in my HS days.
There would still be an adult janitorial presence, well paid positions,
for work the kids can't handle. But certainly kids could use this
experience on a volunteer basis to their advantage and to the
districts. Other cultures around the world have kids do more in this
regard to keep their schools clean, and in some of these places they
also happened to be kicking our ass academically, so it isn't like it
has to be detrimental for teens to participate in after school jobs.
But of course, when ideas come forth that threaten unions, they must be
attacked whether they have some valid points or not. Can't rock those
boats. Slarti, this is the best you could come up with over the
holiday?....must be a slow day in the leftie hate blogs.
I just find it amusing that when it comes to hating on unions even conservonazies like Gingrinch can advocate for child labor.
A little more gristle for you: Debunking Myths from FOX News as seen on MoveOn.org
http://front.moveon.org/top-5-fox-myths-to-debunk-this-thanksgiving/?id=33178-2966198-8PhXR1x" rel="nofollow - Link
MYTH #1: The congressional Super
Committee failed because both sides refuse to compromise.
MYTH #2: Nobody knows what Occupy Wall Street is about.
MYTH #3: Occupiers should stop protesting and just get a job.
MYTH #4: Occupy Wall Street is intent on provoking violence, especially
against banks and the police.
MYTH #5: The biggest crisis facing our country is out of control
government spending.
Too bad we can't get the Democrats to
list the facts.
The GOP has their own propaganda network - we don't.
Sure, CNN is only slamming us half the time,
but those FOX b*****ds hammer us 24/7/365-infinity.
The Left just has no will to win.
MYTH #1: The congressional Super Committee failed because both sides refuse to compromise.
REALITY: The Super Committee failed because
Republicans’ number one, non-negotiable priority is to protect
millionaires and billionaires from paying even one more penny in taxes.1
Democrats repeatedly offered deep spending cuts (far deeper than most
progressives would like) in exchange for raising taxes on the wealthy
and closing corporate loopholes, only to be refused again and again.2
So even though the vast majority of Americans say they want to protect
Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid benefits, and raise taxes on the
rich and corporations,3 that won’t happen until Republicans put aside their extremist stance.
MYTH #2: Nobody knows what Occupy Wall Street is about.
REALITY: Occupy Wall Street may not have a formal list
of demands, but anyone who’s been paying attention understands the core
problems that occupiers are protesting–that corporations have far too
much power in our political system, that Wall Street banks crashed our
economy but were never held accountable, and that the richest 400
Americans have more wealth than half of all Americans–156 million
people–combined.4
MYTH #3: Occupiers should stop protesting and just get a job.
REALITY: As anybody who’s looked for a job in the last
few years knows, there just aren’t jobs out there. That’s a big part of
why occupiers are protesting. In September, there were four times as
many unemployed people as job openings.5 And for those who are lucky enough to find a job, median wages today are lower than they were a decade ago.6
MYTH #4: Occupy Wall Street is intent on provoking violence, especially against banks and the police.
REALITY: Occupations across the country have committed
themselves to nonviolent protest, in the greatest traditions of protest
movements. Some of their protests have been met with acts of police
violence–tear gas, pepper spray, rubber bullets7–but in many cases, protesters have reminded police that the police are part of the 99%, too.8
And in the few cases when people have shown up at occupations and
committed acts of vandalism, other protesters have even repaired their
acts of vandalism.9
MYTH #5: The biggest crisis facing our country is out of control government spending.
REALITY: The two biggest drivers of our deficit–by far–are the economic crash and the Bush tax cuts.10
We have millions of people out of work, corporations hoarding cash, and
factories sitting idle. If we put all those people back to
work–rebuilding infrastructure, educating our children, and researching
new technologies–it’ll shrink the deficit and make our economy stronger
for the long haul. And we can easily afford it if we make sure the
rich–who are taking home a larger percentage of income than any time
since 191711–pay their fair share.
Sources:
1. “No, ‘both sides’ aren’t equally to blame for supercommittee failure,” The Washington Post, November 21, 2011
10. “Economic Downturn and Bush Policies Continue to Drive Large
Projected Deficits,” Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, May 10,
2011
http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=3490
11. “Income Inequality Is At An All-Time High: STUDY,” The Huffington Post, September 14, 2009
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: November 25 2011 at 16:40
Finnforest wrote:
Good idea. (Not for kids that young obviously, but for middle and HS
age. Nice work by the propaganda artist choosing a 5 year old for the
photo). But yeah, teens can use some convenient after-school
jobs in a safe environment, and school districts could save some much
needed resources. Teens would already be at the high school, meaning
less travel than if they worked at the mall, meaning energy savings/less
carbon output for all the "green" conscious. I would have liked this
option as opposed to fast food work back in my HS days.
There would still be an adult janitorial presence, well paid positions,
for work the kids can't handle. But certainly kids could use this
experience on a volunteer basis to their advantage and to the
districts. Other cultures around the world have kids do more in this
regard to keep their schools clean, and in some of these places they
also happened to be kicking our ass academically, so it isn't like it
has to be detrimental for teens to participate in after school jobs.
But of course, when ideas come forth that threaten unions, they must be
attacked whether they have some valid points or not. Can't rock those
boats. Slarti, this is the best you could come up with over the
holiday?....must be a slow day in the leftie hate blogs.
I agree. I have an entire class that would rather mop floors then pay attention in class (I'm not kidding- and they'd be good at it).
Also, from my...heh...experience...experience can be worth more than a 4 year degree.
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: November 25 2011 at 17:00
Epignosis wrote:
Finnforest wrote:
Good idea. (Not for kids that young obviously, but for middle and HS
age. Nice work by the propaganda artist choosing a 5 year old for the
photo). But yeah, teens can use some convenient after-school
jobs in a safe environment, and school districts could save some much
needed resources. Teens would already be at the high school, meaning
less travel than if they worked at the mall, meaning energy savings/less
carbon output for all the "green" conscious. I would have liked this
option as opposed to fast food work back in my HS days.
There would still be an adult janitorial presence, well paid positions,
for work the kids can't handle. But certainly kids could use this
experience on a volunteer basis to their advantage and to the
districts. Other cultures around the world have kids do more in this
regard to keep their schools clean, and in some of these places they
also happened to be kicking our ass academically, so it isn't like it
has to be detrimental for teens to participate in after school jobs.
But of course, when ideas come forth that threaten unions, they must be
attacked whether they have some valid points or not. Can't rock those
boats. Slarti, this is the best you could come up with over the
holiday?....must be a slow day in the leftie hate blogs.
I agree. I have an entire class that would rather mop floors then pay attention in class (I'm not kidding- and they'd be good at it).
Also, from my...heh...experience...experience can be worth more than a 4 year degree.
Yeah, but if kids are doing the janitor work there won't be any janitor jobs for which they can be gainfully employed when they graduate.
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Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: November 30 2011 at 23:36
Not that I think anyone here actually needs to be talked out of Newt... but just in case:
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Time always wins.
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: November 30 2011 at 23:46
^Apparently someone talked Cain out of Cain...
Newt seems to be the new force... Romney and his plastic face will eventually take Newt to the duel with Obama...
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: December 01 2011 at 00:21
What's scary about this current crop of Republicans is I heard someone say "WOW Newt is now the normal one" They are so f**king crazy and scary that Newt Gingrich is now the normal, mundane one. THAT blows my mind.
Also, did it ever make big time news that when Cain was once asked to speak about the scandal he simply started singing "Amazing Grace". That's really what I like to see in a leader!
999 999 999 999 999 999 ! ! !
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: December 01 2011 at 00:27
Cain is such a disgrace that Llama has still been unable to recover and let the ways of the ostrich behind...
Really, he's also one of the politicians with the shortest short-term memory ever... He will say something, be asked about that something a few minutes (minutes) later, and totally deny that he just said that... .
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: December 01 2011 at 00:32
LOL
Yeah, between his all over the map "beliefs", complete lack of experience, and seeming dedication to "moral conservatism" and his general WTF man...Cain maybe be the worst guy out there. Hate em or not (and I do) at least Santorum and Gingrich have experience....
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: December 01 2011 at 00:38
^At least Santorum is quite consistent in his cataclysm-ness...
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: December 01 2011 at 00:42
ONE time, you can give BOTD
wait...what?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_133168&v=0cQG5YuNKwI&feature=iv&src_vid=YU0q45c2BSc" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_133168&v=0cQG5YuNKwI&feature=iv&src_vid=YU0q45c2BSc WTF Cain? Thought it was from a ceremony in the Olympics? I'll look up the other times, supposedly there are 4 times he quoted the pokemon movie and attributed it to something else. Cain has some twisted humor or is an utter moron.
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: December 01 2011 at 00:48
More likely he had a younger speech writer that was trolling him into oblivion. If I was drunk as f**k one night and I realized I was working for Herman f**king Cain, I would probably turn Pokemon quotes into sound bites, too.
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: December 01 2011 at 00:50
And that, is hilarious.
The point of him being a moron is still valid anyway. See: everything he's ever done or said
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: December 01 2011 at 09:35
Paul has a nice attack ad out on Newt. I honestly have no idea how someone could vote for this guy. He just defines politician. He stands for nothing. I don't get how conservative voters can forgot him cheating on his wife at the same time he was calling to impeach Clinton for the same reason.
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: December 01 2011 at 14:14
He has the experience and political savvy to sell out his already corrupt soul to whatever gay-hating group gives him the most money.
PERFECT REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE.
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: December 01 2011 at 14:23
When you stand for mutually contradictory things, you can really attract a lot of supporters!
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 03 2011 at 04:24
http://news.yahoo.com/why-republicans-embrace-simpletons-hurts-america-192501947.html" rel="nofollow - Why Republicans Embrace Simpletons and How it Hurts America
http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/SIG=11amk86r3/EXP=1324117374/**http%3A//www.forbes.com/" rel="nofollow"> By James Marshall Crotty | Forbes – Wed, Nov 30, 2011
"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen, and philosophers and divines."
-- Ralph Waldo Emerson (Self-Reliance)
Since I report on American education, including the intellectual
lassitude of American voters, foreign observers routinely ask me: Why Do
Republicans Gleefully Embrace Idiots as Presidential Candidates?
The question naturally begs a larger question: How can a country, with the world’s http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/SIG=12je206pd/EXP=1324117374/**http%3A//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29" rel="nofollow - highest national GDP ,
and absurdly complex systems regulating everything from credit default
swaps to nuclear missile safety, possibly allow onto its national stage
men and women of such transparently inferior intellect?
The easy answer is that there has always been a long, pathetic
history of anti-intellectual paranoia in American politics, as Richard
Hofstadter documented in his book http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/SIG=13dqs1ibr/EXP=1324117374/**http%3A//www.amazon.com/Anti-Intellectualism-American-Life-Richard-Hofstadter/dp/0394703170" rel="nofollow - Anti-Intellectualism in American Life
(1963). It is like kudzu. You just can’t kill it. No matter how
advanced the U.S. becomes in technology, biomedicine, and weaponry, it
not only attracts, but promotes, under the rubric of equal opportunity, a
http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/SIG=12tpoah9r/EXP=1324117374/**http%3A//www.amazon.com/Confederacy-Dunces-John-Kennedy-Toole/dp/0802130208" rel="nofollow - confederacy of dunces as Presidential candidates.
To be fair, Democrats have had their share of dolts, including the
tax-cheating, race-baiting, college dropout Reverend Al Sharpton (who
gained fame not only because of his courageous civil rights protests,
but because he claims to be “Keepin’ It Real”; read: not formally
educated), as well as Democrat-turned-Dixiecrat Strom Thurmond (whose
1948 campaign slogan was “Segregation Forever”). Nevertheless, in 2011,
the God-fearing Ossified Party has rolled out the greatest assortment of
Know-Nothings in its history, most of whom share a singular
misconception: because I can do one small thing well (e.g., run a pizza
chain), I can handle the world’s most demanding job.
At first blush, one thinks this embrace of incompetence has something to do with the uniquely American idea that http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/SIG=12q0q7lmp/EXP=1324117374/**http%3A//www.amazon.com/Road-Show-America-Anyone-President/dp/0374251207" rel="nofollow - anyone from any background can become President .
It’s an old saw told to almost every young person in the country. I
believed it. I also believed that I would be an astronaut or a
professional basketball player.
However, reason suggests, that
when a clear-headed adult, with no experience in national politics, no
reputable training in public policy -- as opposed to a bastion of
Christian zealotry like the former Oral Roberts School of Law, which Michelle Bachman
attended -- and little understanding of countries outside U.S. borders,
says that he or she is running for President, his or her reasonable
adult compadres should rightly say, “You are suffering from delusions of
grandeur.” After all, you need advanced degrees to properly practice
medicine, law, and nuclear physics. Why would we expect the Leader of
the Free World to have anything less than the precise qualifications for
such an elevated job opening?
However, only in America is http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/SIG=144a0e85c/EXP=1324117374/**http%3A//www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/06/maher-on-palin-anybody-could-be-president-in-this-dumb-fcking-country/" rel="nofollow - no training or knowledge required
to perform a job that is not only more complicated and demanding than
the above three fields, but one which regulates the above three
occupations and all sorts of other complex and nuanced occupations
around the globe (including undercover agents in foreign lands).
But that’s only the beginning. What's far more troubling is that you can attract a huge amount of support in this country precisely because
you lack qualifications to be president. Such reasoning is, in effect,
the raison d’etre of all so-called “outside-the-Beltway” campaigns of
recent vintage.
However, to fully grasp why inexperience, incompetence and outright
stupidity has such an emotional hold on Republicans in particular, you
have to understand a core principle of conservative orthodoxy:
intelligence equates with moral relativism. Which is why, after
twice-electing a genuine, but fatally corrupt, thinking person in Richard Nixon, the Republican Party
moved away from its historically pragmatic moderation in search of
morally doctrinaire ideologues. Naturally, this paved the way for
conservative extremists, who, while short on smarts -- or perhaps
because they were short on smarts -- stuck to “conservative principles”
like maggots to rotting meat. As my late diehard conservative Republican
mother told me when I asked how she could rabidly support such an
obvious dullard as George W. Bush, "Because I don't trust the smart
ones."
http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/SIG=12480jtqs/EXP=1324117374/**http%3A//www.monk.com/display.php%3Fp=Slant%26id=5" rel="nofollow - Ronald Reagan became the first of many morally unambiguous dimwits
to warm the cockles of conservative hearts. Yes, with this post-Nixon
strategy, the dwindling GOP intellectual fringe (historically held up by
William Buckley and barely maintained to this day by the likes of David
Brooks and Peggy Noonan) has had to stomach an occasional faux pas
(e.g., Reagan's simpleton predecessor, Gerald Ford, claiming in a 1976
presidential debate that “there is no Soviet domination of Eastern
Europe”), or gasp-inducing ignorance of foreign policy basics
(e.g., Sarah Palin not knowing that there is a North and South Korea, or her hysterical notion that http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/SIG=12f9llork/EXP=1324117374/**http%3A//www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20029742-503544.html" rel="nofollow - Sputnik bankrupted the Soviet Union ). But, at least they knew their standard-bearer was not going wishy-washy on them (i.e., thinking hard for a living).
This gambit worked so well with Reagan, it naturally attracted other knuckleheads. First came George Bush Sr.’s running mate, William Danforth Quayle, who promptly showed his latent stupidity by public misspelling potato as “potatoe” … in front of a sixth-grader.
Thereafter, Quayle was the butt of many excellent late night jokes,
but he lacked the earnest believability of a Reagan to ever accede to
the Oval Office (though he did have a fairly hot wife). It took two
terms of an intelligent commander-in-chief, and another moral
equivocator, former law professor Bill Clinton, for the Republicans to
search again for an unequivocal moral crusader with not a whole lot
going on upstairs.
Enter George W. Bush, who, like Reagan, also enjoyed two terms in
office, despite beliefs in brazen poppycock such as Intelligent Design
and in the whopper of all disastrous absurdities, that Saddam Hussein
was not only marshalling weapons of mass destruction to directly attack
the U.S. (no, he was bluffing to deter his real enemy, neighboring
Iran), but that he was also behind 9/11 (never let a good crisis go to
waste, eh Mr. Cheney?). Only a true rube could believe such specious
nonsense. And G.W. Bush – who exemplified the adage, “Never ascribe to
malice what can adequately be explained by stupidity” -- fit the bill.
The Republican Party loved him for it, bending over backwards to
sanitize and http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/SIG=121q5dert/EXP=1324117374/**http%3A//mediamatters.org/research/201101180029" rel="nofollow - “Hannitize” his many blunders, while selling his disinformation to a gullible American public still in shock from the attacks of 9/11.
At last count, the http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/SIG=13mepcso1/EXP=1324117374/**http%3A//www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmarshallcrotty/2011/10/21/bravo-to-obama-for-ending-the-iraq-war/" rel="nofollow - Iraq Detour has http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/SIG=12ugo7cjs/EXP=1324117374/**http%3A//www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/29/us-usa-war-idUSTRE75S25320110629" rel="nofollow - cost this nation trillions of dollars
(with more trillions to come, as this country keeps its commitment to
care for wounded and mentally shell-shocked Iraq War veterans and their
loved ones). It also cost the lives of 125,000 Iraqi civilians, and many
times more than that who’ve been wounded or displaced by the Iraqi
misadventure. All because of a lie and Americans’ willingness to either
believe that lie or not forthrightly contest it. That, ladies and
gentlemen, is the empirical cost of stupidity.
After the costly policy blunders
of Bush, Jr. -- for which this country is still paying dearly in lower
credit ratings and draconian cuts in funding for parks, libraries, law
enforcement, and more -- in came yet another Democratic law professor to
clean up yet another Republican mess. Except this Democrat, Barack Obama, did not carry the moral and ethical baggage of his Democratic predecessor.
However, for reasons both racial and political, though primarily intellectual (President Obama
is too cosmopolitan, too wordly, too nuanced, too calm, too
Europe-friendly), Republicans have aggressively sought to cut Obama’s
tenure short. Unfortunately, this time around they lack a bona fide,
morally unequivocal, conservative with enough general election appeal to
take Obama on. Each hopeful successor to the Republican Dumbass Throne
(the coveted RDT) has proven so cartoonishly dopey as to offend even the
intelligence of diehard Iowa primary voters, easily the most unbending
conservatives in the U.S.
Things are now so bad on the dumbass front that, in a poll announced
yesterday, Iowans are no longer interested in the current crop of
Republican cretins. This includes Texas Governor Rick “Oops” Perry, who,
in a colossal boneheaded moment in a live nationally televised debate,
could not remember the third federal agency he would cut as president.
In an empirical validation of the
anti-intellectual streak in GOP Politics, Perry then went on national
talk shows the following morning to defend his stupidity as a reason to
vote for him. On CNN’s “American Morning,” Perry said, "We've got a
debater-in-chief right now, and you gotta ask yourself: 'How's that
working out for America?'" In other words, being a good debater, and
knowing the issues, is bad for America.
This list also includes Michelle “Pray the Gay Away” Bachman, who believes that “Founding Fathers” like John Quincy Adams
“worked tirelessly until slavery was no more in the United States”
(except J. Q. Adams died in 1848, long before “slavery was no more”).
Even though the self-righteous Bachman is a native of Waterloo, Iowa,
voters in her home state just cannot see trusting her with the codes to
the U.S. nuclear arsenal (trusting a Creationist like Bachman on any
public policy would be like trusting a phrenologist with curing your
cancer).
And, yes, this also includes the endlessly entertaining Herman “I’m
Not Supposed to Know Anything About Foreign Policy” Cain, whose
inability to construct a coherent sentence on Libya and stated desire to
prevent an already nuclear-armed China from “going nuclear” are now
part of national dumbass folklore.
And lets not forget the deeply annoying Rick "Sanctum" Santorum, who
said publicly that former P.O.W. John McCain “didn’t understand advanced
interrogation techniques.” A Republican dumbass hallmark: arrogance wed
to ignorance.
As a result of such transparently
dumb stooges, Iowa Republicans, and conservatives in general, are
actually settling on a bona fide shyster in the Richard Nixon mold: the
pudgy, pompous, nastiness known as Newt Gingrich. As I made clear in my previous column, http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/SIG=142ekn12c/EXP=1324117374/**http%3A//www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmarshallcrotty/2011/11/23/why-darth-gingrich-might-crush-the-romney-ken-doll/" rel="nofollow - Darth Gingrich Vs. the Romney Ken Doll ,
the Republican nomination is now a race between Gingrich and Romney,
which, once all the baggage of the corrupt former Speaker is laid out
for all to see, could tilt to the nomination back to the Massachusetts
Mormon, where’s it’s been for most of this Republican election cycle.
Now, you might ask, why aren’t Republicans in love with Romney? After
all, he’s been a successful businessman in the Republican mold,
essentially downsizing companies to their bare essentials and then
reselling them for profit. He has that vague, detached, tall Ken Doll
vibe that Republicans idealized in Reagan. In addition, as a devout
Mormon, he’s squeaky clean in the morals department. Dude doesn’t drink,
smoke, do drugs, or drink hot caffeinated beverages. He’s more straight
edge than the Crotty, and that’s saying something.
Unfortunately, Romney, a Harvard graduate (and not a faux one like
G.W. Bush), is just not seen as dumb enough. Though he and his Mormon
faithful believe in preposterous canards (e.g., that Jesus Came to
America), Romney consistently demonstrates a frustrating lack of
imbecility, particularly in the the artful compromises he’s engineered
over his political career, including his momentous achievement of
passing mandatory health insurance in his adopted home state of
Massachusetts. This subtlety of purpose, this nuance, is anathema to
politically and morally unambiguous conservatives, who see the world in
great big Murdoch-style tabloid dualism.
Which makes their sudden embrace of Mr. Gingrich so hilarious.
Because, even more than Romney, it is Gingrich who has demonstrated
enormous flexibility in his core conservative principles. He voted for
NAFTA and the WTO; loan guarantees for China; most favored nation status
for China; $1.2 billion in aid to the United Nations; and the creation
of the Department of Education. Moreover, he reached across the aisle to
make deals with Democrat Bill Clinton on welfare reform and a balanced
budget, while achieving a compromise on global warming with Nanci Pelosi
(which he has since pathetically renounced in an attempt to appeal to
the Hannity-Bennett blockhead wing of the GOP). Recently, he attacked
Paul Ryan’s budget plan as “right-wing social engineering” (before
backing off that claim as well).
What Gingrich proves is not his
electability, but, rather, the disastrous absurdity of the Conservative
fealty test. Like other fealty tests in American history (from Truman’s
Executive Order 9835, a.k.a. the “Loyalty Order,” to Grover Norquist’s
Taxpayer Protection Pledge, right up to Herman Cain’s Muslim Loyalty
Test), it is bound to end badly for the candidate, the party, and the
country, which is governed best when the commander-in-chief is given
enormous flexibility to do the practical, diplomatic, and, thus, smart,
thing, not the ideologically pure one.
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: December 03 2011 at 08:28
^Amazingly enough, I read all of that. There are some stupid assertions in there (being a preside t more intellectually difficult that working with nuclear physics, yeah right). The article is elitist and precisely what your view of the world shouldn't support Slarti since it means that only Harvard graduates can become presidents and you well know how much your despised wealthy care for your beloved poor masses. And since only rich people can get an Ivy league education, basically you will be perpetuating what you most dislike. Remember that all those schools are mostly graduating tons of future Wall Street hawks.
Alas, what IS true is that most Republican candidates are idiots and that the party shows a tendency to showcase idiots, though I'm not sure Democrats are so far ahead. The real stupidity is believing that ones are so different from the others and that there are no other ways of viewing the world outside of republicans-democrat dychotomy. And this writer seems to be an idiot who doesn't even mention the one candidate who is not an idiot and who is not a typical modern-day republican. Basically, this guy who writes loves things the way they are.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 03 2011 at 09:29
I merely posted the editorial, which parts I believe in or don't are figments of your own conjecture.
You have agreed on the bits I do concur with though. The anti-intellectualism is for want of a better word, moronic. OK Newtie step down. When does Ron Paul get his moment in the spotlight? Do you think he will rise to the top?
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: December 03 2011 at 10:47
I read two sentences of that. Lol yeah Republicans are anti-intellectual and have moronic candidates. Republicans wasted all this money in Iraq. Last I checked both parties trot out morons. Both parties unilaterally agreed on Iraq. They're the same thing. I laugh everytime I see a Republican vs Democrat piece of writing.
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Posted By: TheMasterMofo
Date Posted: December 03 2011 at 11:17
That article fails to consider that the Democratic party has had just as many intellectually devoid morons running for President lately. See: President Obama (Career politician and we've seen his "intelligence" in action as president), Vice President Biden (No explanation necessary), Bill Richardson (career politician, never had another job), Chris Dodd (All the sh*t he's caused with Fannie and Freddie)... etc.
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 03 2011 at 14:16
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
I read two sentences of that. Lol yeah Republicans are anti-intellectual and have moronic candidates. Republicans wasted all this money in Iraq. Last I checked both parties trot out morons. Both parties unilaterally agreed on Iraq. They're the same thing. I laugh everytime I see a Republican vs Democrat piece of writing.
Well, I guess that makes you an expert on the piece, huh?
The lack of paying attention is how some of you easily dismiss what I'm going on and on and on about. I hate babies and this country. I believe that democrats are capable of no wrong doing, etc. etc.
The admission that you don't know what the hell you are talking about could be the beginning of wisdom, then again, probably not.
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: December 03 2011 at 15:07
Slartibartfast wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
I read two sentences of that. Lol yeah Republicans are anti-intellectual and have moronic candidates. Republicans wasted all this money in Iraq. Last I checked both parties trot out morons. Both parties unilaterally agreed on Iraq. They're the same thing. I laugh everytime I see a Republican vs Democrat piece of writing.
Well, I guess that makes you an expert on the piece, huh?
The lack of paying attention is how some of you easily dismiss what I'm going on and on and on about. I hate babies and this country. I believe that democrats are capable of no wrong doing, etc. etc.
The admission that you don't know what the hell you are talking about could be the beginning of wisdom, then again, probably not.
I don't think so Slart, I've a feeling the political junkies here understand "what you're going on and on" about, and just don't buy it. But I could be wrong. Frankly, you lost me a long time ago when you stated very clearly that you consider most/many (can't remember your exact amount, but it was a large portion) conservatives to be racists. At the time I engaged you to get you to backtrack the comment, and you didn't....at all. Knowing you feel that way, I just don't really care what you think about the rest of it, as that belief is such utter bullsh*t and completely offensive. To which you'll merrily post another cartoon or comment tomorrow depicting your opponents as stupid, nazis or racists. Maybe that's why the guys here read two sentences of your articles.
Your last sentence? Right back atcha
And I'll personally admit it, about a lot of things.
------------- ...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: December 03 2011 at 16:53
The republican candidates are having a meeting on damage control in case Cain decides to endorse one of them......
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 03 2011 at 17:05
Finnforest wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
I read two sentences of that. Lol yeah Republicans are anti-intellectual and have moronic candidates. Republicans wasted all this money in Iraq. Last I checked both parties trot out morons. Both parties unilaterally agreed on Iraq. They're the same thing. I laugh everytime I see a Republican vs Democrat piece of writing.
Well, I guess that makes you an expert on the piece, huh?
The lack of paying attention is how some of you easily dismiss what I'm going on and on and on about. I hate babies and this country. I believe that democrats are capable of no wrong doing, etc. etc.
The admission that you don't know what the hell you are talking about could be the beginning of wisdom, then again, probably not.
I don't think so Slart, I've a feeling the political junkies here understand "what you're going on and on" about, and just don't buy it. But I could be wrong. Frankly, you lost me a long time ago when you stated very clearly that you consider most/many (can't remember your exact amount, but it was a large portion) conservatives to be racists. At the time I engaged you to get you to backtrack the comment, and you didn't....at all. Knowing you feel that way, I just don't really care what you think about the rest of it, as that belief is such utter bullsh*t and completely offensive. To which you'll merrily post another cartoon or comment tomorrow depicting your opponents as stupid, nazis or racists. Maybe that's why the guys here read two sentences of your articles.
Your last sentence? Right back atcha
And I'll personally admit it, about a lot of things.
Well, in the end agree to disagree in least disagreeable manner that you can. I'm sorry if you've been offended by what I have written. Of course conservatism doesn't automatically equal racism, but that you deny that so many have taken refuge behind this philosophy might concern you.
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: December 03 2011 at 17:11
I knew that was coming.....implication of hidden racism
Thanks dude
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: December 03 2011 at 17:31
I guess I went from hispanic comrade to racist traitor...
Oh Slarti. The ones who need racism in order to continue existing are not precisely conservatives...
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: December 03 2011 at 17:32
timothy leary wrote:
The republican candidates are having a meeting on damage control in case Cain decides to endorse one of them......
It would be nice if Cain supported Santorum, the moral values candidate
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 03 2011 at 17:40
Finnforest wrote:
I knew that was coming.....implication of hidden racism
Thanks dude
Aw come on, I have no doubt that you personally have good will. But look, the Republican party was in control during the "Civil" war. Southern Democrats were staunchly racist and pro slavery and wanted blacks to be kept in their place thereafter. We had lynchings and church bombings and race riots whenever blacks dared to assert their right to equality. Nixon wooed the southern racist democrats over with the southern strategy. Maybe none of the current southern republicans have a racist bone in their bodies, I am not convinced.
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: December 03 2011 at 17:58
Slart, I should be clear I am talking about 2011.....not the olden
days. I don't deny the existence of racism. But I don't
believe in 2011 that one's political leanings can be used to generalize
racism. There is so much venom out there right now on all sides,
including race, religious bigotry, class hatred, sexism....there are
complexities....i hate the thought of being defined (on race) by who I
pull the lever for.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 03 2011 at 18:08
History should matter for something. You must at least acknowledge that it at least plays a part in the republican party in 2011. And yeah, I'd be a total a-hole if I thought that party affiliation automatically makes you a racist.
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: December 03 2011 at 18:15
"plays a part in the party in 2011" how so?
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: December 03 2011 at 19:10
^Race plays a big role in the democrats' game, too
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Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: December 03 2011 at 22:44
timothy leary wrote:
The republican candidates are having a meeting on damage control in case Cain decides to endorse one of them......
I haven't laughed this hard in a long time:
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: December 04 2011 at 00:04
So Cain is done, thank god. Now all we need is Gingrich, Romney, Bachmann, Perry and...well I'll just say everyone else, to step down Gingrich is now in the lead??? Considering how much of an anti insider sentiment was prevalent THAT is who now leads??? The people want as little change as the politicians when it comes down to it.
The only candidate that would bring change (for better or worse) has 0 chance now I'm positive. Though the ideas he espouses are now being used by the others to better their chances and probably will wipe their ass with them if elected. looking like second term Obama despite the odds.
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 04 2011 at 05:38
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: December 04 2011 at 06:44
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/03/bachmann-immigration-deport-undocumented-_n_1127533.html" rel="nofollow - I would understand the need to do it but making exceptions (as even GINGRICH of all people has said so) but this bitch is just heartless and a destroyer of families... .
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Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: December 04 2011 at 08:30
^ She doesn't think her husband can just "cure" them?
Not as good as the Cain one but still funny:
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: December 04 2011 at 13:01
The T wrote:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/03/bachmann-immigration-deport-undocumented-_n_1127533.html" rel="nofollow - I would understand the need to do it but making exceptions (as even GINGRICH of all people has said so) but this bitch is just heartless and a destroyer of families... .
His moderate (and sensible) stance on illegal immigration is one of the reasons I rather like Newt. The only argument I've heard against him is "OMG HE'LL TRY TO BECOME KING" or "OMG HE'S NOT LIBERTARIAN."
Anybody think Paul would have a shot at a VP nomination (if he doesn't get the presidential one)?
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 04 2011 at 13:05
I don't think Ron would give up representative for VP. So assuming Romney in the top slot, who gets second?
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Posted By: horsewithteeth11
Date Posted: December 04 2011 at 13:08
Epignosis wrote:
Anybody think Paul would have a shot at a VP nomination (if he doesn't get the presidential one)?
Absolutely not. The GOP's done everything to distance themselves from him, and he's clashed with enough establishment Republicans that they would never ask for him to be the VP.
As for Rand, if this were still 2010, I would say absolutely. But it seems like he's starting to head down his father's path, and he's clashed plenty with people on both sides of the aisle, so I don't think he'd have any chance either. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/nov/30/war-on-terror-doesnt-justify-retreat-on-rights/?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS" rel="nofollow - This article speaks in volumes on the matter too.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 04 2011 at 13:16
Romney-Huntsman?
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Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: December 04 2011 at 15:24
Epignosis wrote:
The T wrote:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/03/bachmann-immigration-deport-undocumented-_n_1127533.html" rel="nofollow - I would understand the need to do it but making exceptions (as even GINGRICH of all people has said so) but this bitch is just heartless and a destroyer of families... .
His moderate (and sensible) stance on illegal immigration is one of the reasons I rather like Newt. The only argument I've heard against him is "OMG HE'LL TRY TO BECOME KING" or "OMG HE'S NOT LIBERTARIAN."
Anybody think Paul would have a shot at a VP nomination (if he doesn't get the presidential one)?
He believes the president has the authority to detain, or even kill, whomever he wants, whenever he wants, wherever they maybe, whether they are American citizens or not. He wishes to expand the powers of the Patriot Act. He's praised and accepted millions of dollars from Fannie Mae. He's never really been anything but a big government slug that's really good at gaming the system.
Slartibartfast wrote:
Romney-Huntsman?
Never going to happen. The reason Huntsman hasn't had any traction is because he is viewed as being another Mitt. They will try to put someone on the ticket who appeals to the "conservative base" and is from an important state. If Mitt's the nominee it'll probably be someone who came out strongly against Obamacare to try and make up for his shameful past on the issue.
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: December 04 2011 at 15:44
It's funny how gullible people are. We speak of how candidates will choose a VP mate in order to appeal to certain people because of certain views when in the end we all know the VP doesn't do sh*t. Put a conservative next to a not-so con and people say "oh he IS a conservative" or whatever and when they get elected the only thing that matters is the president and his agenda.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 04 2011 at 17:40
The T wrote:
It's funny how gullible people are. We speak of how candidates will choose a VP mate in order to appeal to certain people because of certain views when in the end we all know the VP doesn't do sh*t. Put a conservative next to a not-so con and people say "oh he IS a conservative" or whatever and when they get elected the only thing that matters is the president and his agenda.
Yeah, Cheney was just a figurehead.
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Posted By: Dudemanguy
Date Posted: December 08 2011 at 17:02
Whoa, check out Rick Perry's new anti-gay, Jesus-inspired ad. (Realized it would fit better in here than the libertarian thread in case you noticed.)
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: December 08 2011 at 17:14
Dudemanguy wrote:
Whoa, check out Rick Perry's new anti-gay, Jesus-inspired ad. (Realized it would fit better in here than the libertarian thread in case you noticed.)
This ad reveals a fundamental misunderstanding of what a President can do, which resonates with the level of understanding voters tend to have.
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 08 2011 at 17:15
What's funny is the question would I rather have Gingrich or Perry? Actually either one would do. But yeah, that ad is a poster child for someone who hates freedom.
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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: December 08 2011 at 17:20
We were discussing that video yesterday on Facebook.
Perry is such an arsehole.
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Posted By: Dudemanguy
Date Posted: December 08 2011 at 17:26
Slartibartfast wrote:
What's funny is the question would I rather have Gingrich or Perry? Actually either one would do. But yeah, that ad is a poster child for someone who hates freedom.
Probably Perry since he's extremely stupid. Although Perry would make us a theocracy, Gingrich would reign like a king and assassinate anyone who voices opposition against him is suspected of terrorism.