Can They Ever Be Dethroned?
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Topic: Can They Ever Be Dethroned?
Posted By: timothy leary
Subject: Can They Ever Be Dethroned?
Date Posted: October 29 2011 at 10:17
| For as long as I have been coming to this site the top ten albums have been the same. Like the ten commandments, are they written in stone?? Is there any chance a new artist can break into the top ten and stay there? Who would it be? Is it really so progressive if nobody can come along and outdo the pioneers? |
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: October 29 2011 at 10:23
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The top ten will likely stay the top ten simply because it is doubtful that any new artist will have not only high enough ratings (4.40+ average), but enough ratings (600+) in order to cement a place in the top ten.
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Posted By: TheGazzardian
Date Posted: October 29 2011 at 10:23
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I think it could happen, but it's sort of one of those cyclical things ... those albums are the best known, so they get the most votes, but also because they are in the top 10, most newbies will check them out and so they'll just get more well known. Earlier this year, Phideaux's Snowtorch broke the top ten briefly, so some modern acts are getting enough followers to create enough hype to compete. If one of these artists releases a truly classic release, it could happen.
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Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: October 29 2011 at 10:31
| So are the top ten the best albums or really just the most rated? |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: October 29 2011 at 10:31
| ^ the best albums from the most rated. ;) |
Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: October 29 2011 at 10:33
| So would you also agree perhaps some people rate these albums so highly just from peer pressure and not a true liking of the album? |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: October 29 2011 at 11:19
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No. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: silverpot
Date Posted: October 29 2011 at 12:37
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I'm eagerly waiting for a new album that will have the same impact as these top releases. Shouldn't that be considered as well when ranking an album? |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: October 29 2011 at 12:38
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Grace for Drowning could do it.
With popularity and the album being Swilson's Top 3 best works. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: October 29 2011 at 12:39
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harmonium.ro wrote:Posted By: Theriver
Date Posted: October 29 2011 at 13:01
| I have most of the top ten album but rarely listen to them |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: October 29 2011 at 13:09
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I have all the top ten and listen to them all regularly except the Genesis & DSOTM which are all currently suffering from overplay. I'd like to see the Anglagard and Harmonium in the top 10. |
Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: October 29 2011 at 13:17
| If you look at these top ten rated albums and click on show all reviews a lot of the reviews are not really reviews but really ratings with words. They say nothing about the album other than I like it. Many even state what can I say about an album which has hundreds of reviews. |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: October 29 2011 at 13:22
Doubtful. Only three collaborators have reviewed it, and a large number of the five-star reviews pouring in are from folks just joining the site to give GfD full accolades (possibly a SW buzz patrol of some sort). Should a few collaborators express negative reviews of the album, the rating would drop significantly. I have heard GfD once. It is a far cry better than Insurgentes, but I thought it was very uneven. However, it takes me a while to let music sink in, so my review (if I write one) will likely be a ways off. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Wafflesyrup
Date Posted: October 29 2011 at 13:48
| You can't dethrone the King. |
Posted By: Warthur
Date Posted: October 29 2011 at 13:58
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I think dethroning the top ten is manifestly possible but extremely, extremely hard. Most people here are going to agree that the old classic albums from the golden era of prog are great. They're the foundational documents of the genre, if you honestly don't like them then it's doubtful you'll spend much time on a prog site at all. When it comes to newer stuff, there's going to be a faction of people who just don't like new stuff at all, a faction who like it but want it to sound like something clearly and obviously descended from the classic prog sound, and a faction who like new stuff and positively embrace new sounds that don't sound anything like older prog. It's going to be very, very difficult indeed to put out a new album which will be embraced by all parties to a sufficient extent that it breaks the top ten. Still, as others have pointed out Steve Wilson might manage it.
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Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: October 29 2011 at 14:21
| Is Neal Morse a better candidate than wilson or does religion get in the way? |
Posted By: Warthur
Date Posted: October 29 2011 at 14:50
| Based on what I've heard of his solo career, I'd say that religion might be a factor, but even if you strip that out I find he's an acquired taste, musically speaking. |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: October 29 2011 at 14:55
| Before we tackle the issue of new bands, we need to bring up some of the more experimental '70s stuff up in the chart to make some well deserved repairs. I mean, there are three CAN albums in the RYM top 15 for progressive rock, why can't we bring just one in the top 10? |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: October 29 2011 at 15:23
Neal Morse is bad. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: thehallway
Date Posted: October 29 2011 at 15:29
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It takes time to build up the reputation that the top ten have. They weren't so "holy" in 1973. In about 40 years you'll get a better picture of how deserving albums from the past decade have been of such ratings. Of course, the "classic" albums will then be 80 years old, and probably rated even higher by then. But it does balance out over time. Remember that rock music, in general, is still very young. ------------- http://www.thefreshfilmblog.com/" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: AlexDOM
Date Posted: October 29 2011 at 15:59
| Neal Morse rules period!!! Constantly puts out the most quality prog with lyrics that transcend everything!!!! The man is a legend. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: October 29 2011 at 16:47
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The greats are great because their music has been out there for a while and the music stood up to the test of time. Time will have to tell for the new comers.
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: October 29 2011 at 16:56
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I remember massive foaming when TAAB or SEbtP were taking the #1 spot from CttE. Break and change and refresh what top now?
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: October 29 2011 at 17:03
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Why do those who otherwise espouse democratic outcomes only complain when the results don't suit them? ------------- 
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Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: October 29 2011 at 17:17
| I wouldn't mind it if, for an April Fool's joke, they put Love Beach, Momentary Lapse, or a Dolly Pardon album for the number 1 spot. That'd mess with some people. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: October 29 2011 at 17:17
------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: October 29 2011 at 17:56
Is there somebody complaining? Is it not a facet of democracy that the right to complain exists?
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Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: October 29 2011 at 18:00
| I like complaining. |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: October 29 2011 at 18:18
I never heard of a Monarchy being 'voted out' c/f dethroned. Your OP states Like the ten commandments, are they written in stone? This type of rhetorical question is hardly indicative of someone completely at ease with the analogy of the immutable being trumped by contemporary Progressive musicians is it? -------------
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Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: October 29 2011 at 18:22
| Hardly seems worth arguing about. I posted a topic for discussion not a statement of my political beliefs. At the end of the day I really could care less what other people say are the best ten albums, they will never be the same as mine. |
Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: October 29 2011 at 18:24
| ^This is what it sounds like when doves feign indifference. |
Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: October 29 2011 at 18:37
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^This is what it sounds like when strangers show ignorance |
Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: October 29 2011 at 18:42
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^This is what it sounds like when human beings and frightened and defensive, when in our world of disparate emotions we forget that we, each and all, are still living, breathing beings. I love you, every one of you.
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Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: October 29 2011 at 18:45
| Great Philosophy |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: October 29 2011 at 19:40
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Gentemen please, (Timothy Leary & Alitaire), this has degenerated into sniping so desist. The premise of the thread is sound i.e. can we envisage any contemporary Prog or previously obscure Prog bands supplanting the usual suspects at the summit of the PA charts? I just think the OP could have been worded better as many might deem it a tad inflammatory, that's all  )-------------
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Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: October 29 2011 at 19:42
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My top 10 are in no order:
thick as a brick-jethro tull(1972)
greenslade-greenslade(1972)
in the land of grey and pink-caravan(1971) including bonus track frozen rose
moonmadness-camel(1976)
power and the glory-gentle giant(1974)
godbluff-van der graaf generator(1975)
rotters club-hatfield and the north(1975)
1001 degrees centigrades-magma(1971)
the yes album-yes(1970)
rush-hemispheres(1978)
albums to just miss out were:
foxtrot-genesis(1972)
king crimson-in the wake of poseidon(1970)
frank zappa-over nite sensation(1973)
zao-osiris(1974)
banco-io sono nato libero(1973)
emerson lake and palmer-emerson lake and palmer(1971)
egg-the polite force(1971)
national health-national health(1977)
deep purple-machine head(1972) including bonus track when a blind man cries
black sabbath-sabbath bloody sabbath(1973)
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Posted By: Isa
Date Posted: October 29 2011 at 21:23
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I also think comes down to the cycle thing, and also the fact that there are a lot of people that only really want to hear the general "classic prog" style and aren't so open to new styles of prog. I think a lot of these people can be compared to people who only like Beethoven and Mozart because they like that consonant sound and therefore find, say, Stravinsky or even Berlioz unacceptable, or sub-par at best. Thus, Stravinsky, or really any composer for that matter will always be considered beneath Beethoven really just because Beethoven came to be so widely known for progressing music more than anyone else did, even his predecessors that influenced him. That's why the Beatles won't go away either, they did that to rock music in general, and the prog bands did it for the prog style. Makes sense to me anyway.
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Posted By: dreadpirateroberts
Date Posted: October 29 2011 at 21:45
Well said ------------- We are men of action. Lies do not become us. http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/" rel="nofollow - JazzMusicArchives. |
Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: October 29 2011 at 22:57
I was sincere in what I proclaimed. I meant no malice or mean-spiritedness.
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Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: October 29 2011 at 23:21
| and I meant it when I said great philosophy, no sarcasm intended |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 07:19
So says the fanboy. Non of the very popular bands today have the near universal appeal that the classics seem to, whether its Porcupine Tree/Steven Wilson, Dream Theater, Opeth, Phideaux, Transatlantic, Neal Morse, The Flower Kings etc, they all have a larg enumber of detractors to offset the fans and those bands that are actually making music thats as experimental as the early groups tend to appeal to a much smaller audiance and even have people out there that deliberatyl give 1 star ratings without listening just to keep the average arteficially low (I know this happens with Kayo Dot). ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005 
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 07:28
I have only heard Choirs of the Eye and Coyote and can't fathom why anybody would want to give it 1 star.  Guess such people take ratings too seriously. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 08:53
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 10:00
I know the very first rating for the Stained Glass EP was a 1 star rating from Gandalf pretty much as soon as it was added to the site, given how much he hates KD I doubt he bought and listened to the album. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: JS19
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 10:13
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I'm pretty sure what happens now is that the first couple of weeks into a new release it rockets from fanboy reviews, then everyone moans how a new album does not belong in the top 10 fairly vehemently. Then people review it really low to counterbalance the fact it's being compared to the classics. Them the actual reviews come in , without any contextual leanings, so the albums actually get reviewed as a piece of music, rather than the 'soundtrack to a time' or whatever. Because these new albums can never have the legacy of the oldies, no new album is going to break the top 10. Maybe if someone finds some lost Genesis tracks and releases them or something, but this site will have been going so long by the time any new albums have a legacy, no-one will really care (if anyone really cares in the first place).
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 10:26
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^ If PA had existed in the so called halycon days of 1968-73 what you describe would have happened then also.
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Posted By: thehallway
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 11:30
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The archive would be very small, and The Beatles would be in the top ten. ------------- http://www.thefreshfilmblog.com/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Isa
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 15:41
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^ I agree. The problem with labeling modern music "a classic for the ages" is that it really does take many generations of people dying off who are fanboys, and seeing what modern albums really do stick around to become "classics." Give it a few decades longer, and if PA is still around (sure hope it is!) I bet the top 10 or 20 will look very different. Rossini was much more highly rated than Beethoven during his time.
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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 16:05
Not so. The "functional equivalent" of PA back then were the rock magazines, including Circus, Creem, etc. I was totally addicted to Circus in the early 1970's, and their coverage of, and praise for, the originators of the movement was stunning. Particularly impressive was Circus' coverage of Genesis, with very large, full-color photos of Gabriel in Slipperman attire. They also had excellent interviews with Fripp (LTIA era), Wakeman (CTTE era), and all the rest. These bands filled huge venues for good reasons.....they put on excellent shows, they were rehearsed to perfection, and they were consummate showmen. I saw shows including CTTE, TAAB, LTIA, and Karnevil 9. Just stunning. My own feeling is that the musicianship of the newest practitioners of this craft are just not up to snuff with the old guys. Fripp crossed over from traditional jazz, and he used to practice for 8 hours a day. Howe, Zappa and others were similarly driven. I just don't hear that level of dedication in the music of the newest acts. Sometimes lightening strikes in history.....the Romanticism movement in English poetry, Classical/Romantic movement era in classical music, Bebop movement in jazz, etc. I'm just waiting for the next big thing.....ideally, it will break the guitar/bass guitar/drums/keyboard paradigm that prog seems to rely upon so heavily.
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 18:20
Ah, Circus! I remember it fondly. I especially remember fawning over my buddy's copy with Signals-era Rush on the cover!! He was the guy that got me into Rush so, no, I didn't pawn it (but I did get to paw it)! What was that other mag, the one for headbangers? Oh, yeah...Hit Parader! Yes, I owned a few. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: thehallway
Date Posted: October 31 2011 at 12:32
I was joking..... and you were there, so I would never question your knowledge! And am I right in thinking that between them Yes and Led Zeppelin topped most of Melody Maker's annual 'best band' polls? Indeed, nothing's changed in that respect. Regarding the next lightening strike, I think it would be very difficult for anyone to come up with anything staggeringly original any more..... because the growth of music is exponential rather than linear. i.e. there is a hell of a lot more music now than 50 years ago, or even 20 years ago. Genres are saturated (not a bad thing, but not innovative either), and the crossing/mixing up of genres is becoming a cliche in itself. What hasn't been done?? If I knew, I'd be doing it! ------------- http://www.thefreshfilmblog.com/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: October 31 2011 at 12:44
Depends on what part of prog your into as far as technicality goes, I listen to a lot of modern bands that would blow Yes into the weeds, for the most part, on technical proficiancy but 2 of the 3 best albums released this year for me rely far more on atmospher than technical stunts. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: zappaholic
Date Posted: October 31 2011 at 19:13
Human nature. ------------- "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." -- H.L. Mencken |
Posted By: paganinio
Date Posted: October 31 2011 at 19:45
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Steven Wilson's new solo album was in the Top 20 or so, for a brief period of time. If he can be in the Top 20 then my Perfect Element Pt. III can be Top 4. ------------- 
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Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: October 31 2011 at 19:59
It's certainly not going to be a new album, unless Anglagard's upcoming album is somehow better than their first two brilliant albums. And lord help us if metal is ever allowed to punch into the top 10. -------------  Time always wins. |
Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: October 31 2011 at 20:04
I would be all for the Genesis albums being bumped out of the top 10, though. Have a feeling I'm in the super-minority on that one  .------------- Time always wins. |
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: October 31 2011 at 20:07
HAR! Damn, we should get all the musicians on this site together and jam sometime!! Honestly, there is still much to invent. Look how the synthesizer evolved from the very primitive wave-form oscillator machines used for 1950's sci fi movies, to "Switched On Bach" & then to Tangerine Dream and onwards. Quantuum leaps. Now, people compose songs on their i-Phones. Amazing. I spend time searching around for Indo or Pak-Prog, Chinese Prog etc. There are some rather remarkable forms of music in the weeds that have yet to be amplified, modified, and progged-up. Hell, look what ELP and Yes did with some basic Mozart/Bach formulae!! China has 1.3 billion folks, and yet they seem largely invisible to me in the prog & rock universe. I know they have some musicians (Gibson has a lovely guitar store in Shanghai), but their political system is very stifling. Who knows what may yet come out of the East? The best is yet to come! I'm quite excited at the possibilities that new technologies will afford. The Mellotron, by itself, helped to blow doors off. Let's see what happens when the tribes get amplification.
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: October 31 2011 at 20:44
I'm not sure that it can when the folks in charge of the board and its work are not flexible and willing to turn all this into something other than a nice graveyard with lots of stones ... that no one looks at ... and then help make the work that is done here ... comprehensive and complete instead of just being a database ... and maybe THAT is the problem ... all it is is a database, and nothing else ... and databases are not known for being human or giving a damn about anything else, thus an idea is always better for a database than anything else ... it's a good thing that christians and other religions did not believe in computers for the longest time ... because it would have been tougher still and "progressive" would never have lived!
  IF we are going to make this music important ... there is a way that we can say that Beethoven and Tchaikovsky were the better known Romantic Classical music composers ... but sadly ... in the end, all we're doing is making sure that the classification of "progressive" is just more popular music ... and since there is so much and most people don't think that it is very good anyway, it is best to simply do the one thing that we were fighting against at the time ... the ultimate irony of it all ... we become the very thing that we all stood up against, that helped create the music ... but 30 years later we don't care what those "kids" cared about, now, do we?
I DON'T think the whole thing has to be "scrubbed", that would be senile and sad, but it should list "artists", not albums ... and it would give the genre a lot more credibility ... because as it is right now, it is just another top ten! And one that David Letterman is too stupid to know about! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: October 31 2011 at 20:47
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Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: October 31 2011 at 21:20
| It wil be hard for a new album, from a new artist, to get to the top, since it needs to stand the test of time, as these gems from the past have done. Also, to become as influential as the top albums is not an easy task. |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: October 31 2011 at 23:31
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Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: November 01 2011 at 10:53
| It was never my intention this thread turn in to a bashing of the bands now in the top ten but more about thoughts on any newer albums which have a chance to break into the top ten. Neal Morse and Steven Wilson seem the only likely candidates and perhaps Anglagard when their new album comes out. |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: November 01 2011 at 19:22
I'm all for accepting Genesis as an artist ... and not list the albums individually!
Because, otherwise, the whole history of the medium is not worth the discussion as almost all of the bands listed became pop bands in their own ways. ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: November 01 2011 at 19:53
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Posted By: thehallway
Date Posted: November 02 2011 at 14:37
Surely that's an argument for having individual albums on the site? Then they can get rid of the pop ones. If it's just "Genesis" then that could confuse some fans of the eighties material coming to the site. ------------- http://www.thefreshfilmblog.com/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: November 02 2011 at 14:51
I disagree. I doubt that the folks that like the later Genesis have not heard, or are aware of Peter Gabriel and the massive history.
And I don't think that the later Genesis is that bad ... just not my thing, and I personally did not think that Phil Collins had the depth that Peter Gabriel did that added to the group itself. THAT is my preference, but it is the same group of people and they deserve the mention as "artists" and not some rock'n'roll band that was so stupid that they could only do a few hit songs that are quasi progressive ... which to me, lowers the ability of the band itself and the quality of their work ... on a technical level, their later stuff is also very good! Just too pop'sy for my tastes! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: November 02 2011 at 20:19
I don't like either incarnation. Nursery Cryme is the only album, of theirs, that I'd include in the top 100. ------------- Time always wins. |
Posted By: SMSM
Date Posted: November 06 2011 at 13:22
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Maybe as some may be disillusioned upon reading about recordings supposed to be the greatest of all, but not living up to the hype. For example. While not in the top 10, Gentle Giant's In a Glass House gained a lot of credibility by not originally being released in North America because it was supposively not commercial enough. Upon actually hearing it, while it contained a few very non commercial great songs, it also contained a couple of bad ones, where there other GG recordings far better in consistancy and containing equally great songs but no stinkers. Interview is like that.
Finally, I was amazed that Anglagard received 600 votes. From the scarcity of Anglagard recordings, how many of such votes were a result of listening to synpets or what was downloaded on Youtube
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: November 06 2011 at 13:43
Perhaps M@X will someday change the algorithm, at least temporarily, which will change the top albums (all genres/ all years/ all categories), or offer the user the ability to set a default algorithm for generating that homepage list (e.g. see list without weighted ratings and differences in changing the ranking due to number of ratings criteria -- though i imagine that might be too much of a drain on the server). |
Posted By: DreamInSong
Date Posted: November 06 2011 at 15:18
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Grace for Drowning, pretty high up there... could do it?
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Posted By: Redug
Date Posted: November 06 2011 at 15:54
| I think people's tastes have become a lot more polarized since the top 10 were released, so it would be nearly impossible for something new to get that level of near-unanimous praise without a decade or two to sit on. |
Posted By: freyacat
Date Posted: November 09 2011 at 10:47
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Religious faith need not be a detraction from the quality of one's music. If you look at the music of Yes, Genesis, Kansas, Queen, The Flower Kings and Moonsafari, all of these have religious and spiritual themes woven through their music. What is grating about Neal Morse is that his expression of religion is unimaginative. Like the zombies who inhabit christian radio stations, you get the sense that the lyrics are lifted wholesale from the Bible or from fundamentalist sermons, with no creativity involved. When a person starts adhering to rigid dogma, they lose the freedom to imagine God, the same freedom taken by many of the Bible's writers, but curiously off-limits to practitioners of conservative religion today. Jon Anderson, Peter Gabriel, and Roine Stolt have given us the gift of seeing living faith and spirituality as a part of the creative process. Neal Morse will never measure up, lyrically speaking, because he's a slave to a theological agenda. ------------- sad creature nailed upon the coloured door of time |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: November 09 2011 at 17:41
I agree with this review of GfD...........  -------------   
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: November 09 2011 at 18:06
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Yes, but you should let the baffroom air out for about 25-30 minutes before you go in.
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: November 09 2011 at 18:32
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I really do love GfD. It's grown on me. And like The Incident - seeing it live elevated my feelings about the album. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: November 09 2011 at 19:41
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Neal Morse just writes great music. I could care less about the lyrics. His albums generally have good ratings too.
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Posted By: Rottenhat
Date Posted: November 18 2011 at 10:59
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There's a big difference about the old 70's prog bands that rates high on the PA rankings and the newer bands. The older ones couldn't just pop in a CD or download a tune from the net for inspiration. What the had was beat pop and the blues and jazz and classical. They invented the whole genre, or at least they mixed the genres and out came something new. For my 2 cents, Genesis Trespass was truly groundbreaking. There's probably a lot of posts saying the same thing that I said, but I am to lazy to go back... ------------- Language is a virus from outer space. -William S. Burroughs |
Posted By: silverpot
Date Posted: November 18 2011 at 14:01
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Being a bookseller, I can't help comparing with literary works. As long as a book is able to stand the test of time, it will remain in circulation, and be judged favourably against new publications. There are quite a few masterpieces that will never be surpassed, because of the novelty they brought to it's time, or the impact such works had on later writers. Just to name one epic that I think everybody is familiar with; nobody will ever again write someting like The Lord of the Rings. So, it will stay on the "most revered" list for an unforeseeable amount of time. The top artists here did create something unique, they were groundbreaking and fantastic, and most of their work actually HAS stood the test of time. I also think it's a good thing for new generations to go back and take a good look at history, no matter what kind of art they're interested in. A knowledge of the past will bring a better understanding of the present. (hm, that sounded a bit prim, but you know what I mean ). |
Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: November 18 2011 at 14:02
| I'm not the first one to say this, but the key difference is that by the time of rating on the internet, the 70's albums had already passed the test of time, if people have rated many of them so highly is because they were 100% sure that they were worth it. Nowadays I see so many 5 star ratings on albums that are just out there for a few weeks or months. IMHO this is a bit irresponsible and it's a high risk of bias in the long term. It may well be that some modern albums get high in the rankings if they get enough quantity of ratings but still I will have doubts if those who rated them so high to make it happen will think the same after 30 years (and if they will not, I don't think they will bother to go back to their reviews from 30 years ago and down-grade them). |
Posted By: fuyuakiworld
Date Posted: December 24 2011 at 22:50
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Don't think so, but most of them I think really deserve thier high rateings
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Posted By: Kashmir75
Date Posted: December 24 2011 at 23:47
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Grace For Drowning will dethrone them all :P ------------- Hello, mirror. So glad to see you, my friend. It's been a while... |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: December 25 2011 at 01:13
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^ obviously not
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