Journey : prog vs AOR
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Topic: Journey : prog vs AOR
Posted By: lucas
Subject: Journey : prog vs AOR
Date Posted: October 29 2011 at 05:37
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Well, for me it's obvious that the progressive Journey is pretty lame with comparison to the blast that was the Steve-Perry fronted band. I would be very surprised if the progressive Journey won this poll.------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: October 29 2011 at 15:32
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comments are also welcome ! ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: October 29 2011 at 19:31
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I enjoy the prog Journey, but I like it best when it shows up in bits and pieces during the AOR Journey. ------------- 
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: October 29 2011 at 21:32
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There is no prog Journey. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 03:22
Correct. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Horizons wrote:Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 06:49
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To HORIZONS and MAN WITH A HAT :
Quoting Journey's biography on PA :
Journey biography
JOURNEY is a American band who started playing in the early months of '73 in San Francisco. The music of JOURNEY is divided in 2 parts, the one from early 1973 'till 1977 when guitarist Neal Schon and keyboardist Gregg Rolie, both of Santana fame, met with bassist Ross Valory and drummer Prairie Prince from The Tubes (replaced later by Aynsley Dunbar) in the summer of 1974. Their music back then was jazz rock with progressive elements and fusion interplays , instrumental passages being pretty much top notch thanks to Neal Schon's driving riffs and solid bass lines of Valory, while the keyboards (still mostly the Hammond organ) of Rollie was something "á la Santana" but less latino-inspired. [...] This thing will change next year, in 1978, when it is considered that the band stepped into a new period, the second one. After three albums that were considered dissapointing sales-wise, but were in fact Journey's most progressive ones from the entire discography, Journey hired a better vocalist - Steve Perry. Actually the change was mostly enforced by CBS, or else they would drop the band's recording contract. The results were immediately felt on the fourth album, Infinity, released in 1978, who was sold in over one million copies, more than the previous albums altogether. But the sound changes were almost dramatic. From that jazz-fusion progressive music they turned in an AOR - hard rock band, not far from what FOREIGNER, STYX or BOSTON played during the same period. Feel free to change their bio if you disagree with the passages highlighted in red. ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: clarkpegasus4001
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 07:54
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I consider the first 3 Journey albums to be by Journey, the others (from when Steve Perry joined) just sounds like a completely different band to me. So... it's PROG for me ------------- Tony C. |
Posted By: DavetheSlave
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 08:19
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No prog - but however I will say that it is probably true that more people have fallen in love dancing to a Journey track than just about any other artist out there can boast. Prog no - powerful, most definately yes. Anybody that loaths journey simply doesn't have a heart beating in their chest.
Steve Perry - well, to me he is simply one of the best vocalists that rock has ever seen - up with Freddy Mercury. ------------- I'm a normal psychopath |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 10:10
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If I had such power I wouldn't have put them on the site on the first place. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 10:30
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^
have you listened to their first three albums ? ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: Intruder
Date Posted: November 13 2011 at 09:16
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I've listened to the first three albums.....they were weaning themselves off of the jazzy prog of Santana trying to get themselves into the mainstream, which was weaning itself away from the progressive styles of the late 60s and early 70s. I place Journey square into that overproduced schlock that was soon to known as corporate rock....Foreigner, Boston, Kansas, Styx. Don't get me wrong - there are some fair to good songs on the first three albums (and on early Kansas and Styx albums as well) - Look Into the Future, Kohutek - but nothing that I ever have much of an urge to put on. In fact, some of the stuff I found bearable in the past is really abrasive when I hear it now. ------------- I like to feel the suspense when you're certain you know I am there..... |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 13 2011 at 09:33
| I must check out some early Journey. I know one song only which I used to love. "Lady Luck" I think ot was called. Which is that. Prog? |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: November 13 2011 at 10:08
| The early albuims are not that great, but they definitely set the band up as a prog band. For me, the Perry era albums are much better, but contain little or no prog as such. |
Posted By: Nightfly
Date Posted: November 14 2011 at 14:19
| Escape and Frontiers are two of the best AOR albums ever and the early albums okay but fairly average in comparrison. AOR Journey for me. |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: November 14 2011 at 14:34
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I think that this is a pretty cool Journey song from the 80's La Raza Del Sol that only appeared on their box set. It is on their 2001 Live video. It has a Santana feel to it. -------------
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Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: November 14 2011 at 14:35
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The early prog Journey is not very compelling. But Steve Perry's Journey never interested me at all. ------------- Trust me. I know what I'm doing. |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: November 14 2011 at 14:45
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This is a pretty cool Journey song from their debut album Kohoutek. A title like that might fit in just fine on a Magma album, although the music is completely different. -------------
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: November 15 2011 at 12:20
I like this live version: I don't find it completely musically different; it actually has a VERY Zeuhlish vibe to me (though the lead guitar makes is sound more significantly different). I like it. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: November 15 2011 at 14:10
That one's actually pretty good! They went very quickly from a mediocre pop-fusion band to a horrible AOR one. I don't like either but the early stuff is at least listenable. Amazingly AOR is winning though. It's one of the mysteries of the universe.  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: November 15 2011 at 16:07
To put it simply, there is no emotion in prog Journey.
With Steve Smith on drums and Steve Perry on vocals, this band could only IMPROVE (a drummer coming from jazz circles, and a vocalist whose inspiration comes from Sam Cooke).
An album like 'Frontiers' is excellent AOR, and blows away everything they released pre-Perry.
and a song that reminds a lot 80s Rush :
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: November 15 2011 at 16:33
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Early Journey had some good prog, but Steve Perry and the pop Journey is far better. Nothing wrong with well-crafted and well-executed commercial music.
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: November 15 2011 at 16:42
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Oh yes. I definitely hear the 80's Rush sound in Only Solutions. I'd never noticed that before. -------------
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: November 15 2011 at 18:20
Indeed. It reminds me a lot of Jean Paul Prat's music. So not Magma, but Zeuhl. |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: November 15 2011 at 18:39
Obviously good stuff, even if not my kind of music of choice. Thanks for the samples. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: November 15 2011 at 20:30
It reminded me most of Jean-Paul Prat's Masal too -- neat that we heard the same (the opening is very reminscent of Masal). I'm a big fan of that album, but still don't the have later one. And when I heard Jean-Paul Prat's Masal, it reminded me more of the Zeuhl bands such as Paga and Weidorje, and Zao, than Magma, (which is more why I thought Masal on the Zeuhl side, but I guess any Zeuhl fan will get it when they hear it). But of course they all have stylistic similarities which is why Prat, Eskaton etc. style can be named after a Vander construct (Zeuhl - celestial music). That Journey track does remind me of some more, rather Offering like Magma music, and stuff like Felicite Thosz (hmm, maybe not that one -- I don't listen to Zeuhl as much as some years ago when I was a completist). Incidentally, I considerably prefer the live version of that track that I posted to the studio one. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: luchenzo
Date Posted: July 25 2012 at 22:51
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I wish they would intigrate more progressive elements into their music. Even though I like all phases of the band, I find them more interesting musically when they make the music more than just the background.
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Posted By: Ambient Hurricanes
Date Posted: July 26 2012 at 00:00
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I've heard one pre-Perry album (Next) and enjoyed it. I actually haven't heard a Journey album with Steve Perry, but I have the 2 disc greatest hits album, and it's much more powerful that Next, imo. I'd much rather listen to Faithfully than The Hustler. ------------- I love dogs, I've always loved dogs |