JA's Surrealistic Pillow vs The Doors s/t debut
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Topic: JA's Surrealistic Pillow vs The Doors s/t debut
Posted By: Svetonio
Subject: JA's Surrealistic Pillow vs The Doors s/t debut
Date Posted: May 08 2011 at 06:22
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The Doors for me |
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: May 08 2011 at 06:23
| Same here. But it would have been a bit tougher if you put After Dining At Baxter's instead of Surrealistic Pillow. |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: May 08 2011 at 07:04
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The Doors. Although I prefer Strange Days. In regards to Surrealistic Pillow, the two best songs on that album "Somebody to Love" and "White Rabbit" were written and performed by Grace Slick for her previous band, Great Society. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: Prog Geo
Date Posted: May 08 2011 at 07:10
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The doors!
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Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: May 08 2011 at 18:44
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Doors. ------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: May 08 2011 at 23:56
| The Doors. I think "Surrealistic Pillow" is overrated. |
Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: May 09 2011 at 00:27
| I only 'like' JA, anyway. So, Doors again. |
Posted By: ShW1
Date Posted: May 09 2011 at 02:43
| I'll go with the 'loosers' this time. While very much appriciate the Doors debute album, 'surrealistic pillow' is great in my opinion, not just because of 'surealistic pillow' (and 'somebody to love'). I love every song in this album, each song is a jem. ('today', ' Comin' Back To Me ' to name just two). aslo their vocal harmonies are amazing, and the playing is moveing. |
Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: April 01 2012 at 21:14
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The Doors's debut is probably my favourite Non-Prog album ever. Well, that, along with Sgt.Pepper and Mellon Collie And The Infinite Sadness.
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Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: April 01 2012 at 23:18
| Surrealistic Pillow is overrated. ABAB is a clearly superior album and I've never really understood why SP has the reputation it does. |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: April 04 2012 at 13:32
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I always thought that the biggest issue with JA was that too many people wanted to do their own thing, and the band having serious issues between a couple of folks ... was not fun, and I believe it took away from the totality of the music. But then you get Caroline and Ride the Tiger and you go ... wtf ... ???
The Doors were much more focused on the artistic side of the music and putting it together as a "mind movie", where as JA was more conventional musically, which in a way is not as good as the other method. It does help, that unlike the JA folks, the folks in The Doors were at a major institution and were involved in film ... and no one here will disagree as to the visual nature of The Doors ... which JA did not have but for a couple of pieces. ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: April 04 2012 at 16:40
Reading about the album, how it was created, how many elements of different music styles (rock, Latin, raga, cabaret, classical, jazz) the Doors incorporated into their songs, how they "married" music and literature/poetry I realise it's one of the proggiest albums ever.  ------------- Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour) |
Fox On The Rocks wrote:Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: April 04 2012 at 17:10
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Airplane. |
Posted By: dreadpirateroberts
Date Posted: April 05 2012 at 01:49
I agree, a progressive album indeed ------------- We are men of action. Lies do not become us. http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/" rel="nofollow - JazzMusicArchives. |
Posted By: Bosh66
Date Posted: April 05 2012 at 03:04
| Love 'em both. Pillow for me though. Only JA album I own so I can't say it's their best, but I love the sound of that album. |
Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: April 05 2012 at 22:47
Actually, I take back what I said.  I totally agree, now that you made me realize it.  -------------
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: April 06 2012 at 03:39
ever Heard She Has funny Cars or 3/5 of a Mile in 10 Seconds??? Much better than Somebody to love ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: April 06 2012 at 12:29
I like Soft Parade myself ... and here's the best part of the trip! I really thought that was excelent, and although I might read more into this than otherwie, this is the "Steppenwolf" piece (or the Herman Hesse piece) for the Doors, but I also think that this is too obtuse and crazy for most and the comment about the prayer and then the whip the horse's eye freak people out badly ... but Ozzie's biting a bat is cool! ... go figure as to who is weirder, and off his rocker! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Abstrakt
Date Posted: April 15 2012 at 09:53
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I think that Surrealistic Pillow has more good songs on it, but the good ones on The Doors are really good. Going for Surrealistic Pillow, because it needs more votes!
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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: April 15 2012 at 10:12
?  ?I say: The Doors' debut. Oh, s$%t, man, 'Crystal Ship', 'Alabama Song', 'Light My Fire' ... I don't remember anything on the Airplane's effort that could beat that.
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Posted By: KingCrInuYasha
Date Posted: December 17 2014 at 23:36
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The Doors, mostly for Morrison's lyrics. Though, I admit, Jack Casady was a good bassist. ------------- He looks at this world and wants it all... so he strikes, like Thunderball! |
Posted By: ole-the-first
Date Posted: December 18 2014 at 03:45
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The Doors ------------- This night wounds time. |
Posted By: Intruder
Date Posted: December 18 2014 at 13:24
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I've never understood the popularity of the Doors or Morrison. People who knew him say he was a clown with absolutely no musical talent - he didn't play, couldn't read music, and worried more about his appearance than about the band. Even the band say he was a pain in the ass, but he was their meal ticket. Morrison is most remembered either by his photos or his Lenny Bruce wannabe exploits.....his music is slowly dying out and will probably be forgotten completely before very long. When I was a kid, they were huge, but my 18 year old musician nephew had never even heard them, but he has seen the Doors logo and Morrison photos.
Doors - hugely overrated. Wish Manzerek and the boys had left Morrison to his own devices 'cause some of their music shows talent. ------------- I like to feel the suspense when you're certain you know I am there..... |
Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: December 18 2014 at 13:27
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Doors, I suppose. ------------- |
Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: December 18 2014 at 13:32
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Pillow has some good moments but I like The Doors album beginning to end ------------- https://wytchcrypt.wixsite.com/mutiny-in-jonestown" rel="nofollow - Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987 |
Posted By: KingCrInuYasha
Date Posted: December 18 2014 at 13:40
Will it die out faster than, say, Iron Butterfly and will it be when the last hippie dies? Honestly, I think the other Doors and Morrison kept each other in check. Morrison kept the Doors from being boring and the Doors kept Morrison from going overboard with his lyrics (though Morrison's poetry started showing potential by the time he kicked the bucket). ------------- He looks at this world and wants it all... so he strikes, like Thunderball! |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: December 18 2014 at 15:27
Being prog lovers, we seem to gravitate toward the Doors. It must be the organ. 
Seriously, I think the Door's debut is a far superior album. ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: December 18 2014 at 16:55
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: December 23 2014 at 09:33
I feel the same. One thing though which has always bothered me with JA are the overemotional vocals from Marty Balin. I could never get into them. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: December 23 2014 at 09:35
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I honestly think that the idea of music/musician is being mis-represented and at the same time over rated. Does the person that run a Hospital have to be a Doctor? NO. Does a person that couldn't give a sh*t about musicians with over rated knowledge of their keys and scores, not help a musician learn how to use his notes and scores? YES is your answer. And this is the part that we are not willing to accept and understand. Nothing against the other 3 folks with The Doors, but separately they had no ability that no one else had before ... nothing new under the sun. But together, with a man that had VISION instead of music, they ended up with several outstanding albums of material that is right away special and amazing! Sometimes it takes a vision ... not music! And this is what today's music is missing! It's too composed, for it to have a soul and vision behind it that is more than a supposed idea because CMaj is supposed to be happy ... and you no longer pay attention to the mood and the playing behind it anymore! WAKE UP ... as Jim would have said! Sorry ... Jefferson Airplane is special and I have a lot of their work, but they are not one half as powerful and detailed in their literacy than the Doors wver were, and that is the part that many folks here don't like! Too smart for them and they don't know the meaning of the images, and some of them scare the living sheep dip out of you! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Intruder
Date Posted: December 24 2014 at 10:59
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I woke up years ago, brother. And so did Doors fans over the age of 18. Morrison and his schtick got old fast. By 1970, Jim was a bloated shadow of the lizard king. How many songs did he write after the first album? And what exactly was this vision? Just hype, in my opinion. His vision seems to be wrapped up in LSD, booze and chicks; nothing wrong with that, but it gets old pretty quickly. I can't say I dislike all Doors albums - LA Woman was bluesy and energetic, but I've had no urge to put it on since I was in high school....so much more out there to feed the head. Jim Morrison was meant for an early death....where else could that "vision" possibly take him? The shallowness of it all became transparent very quickly. People went to the shows to see the guy abuse himself and the band. The music was an afterthought. Vision, my ass. ------------- I like to feel the suspense when you're certain you know I am there..... |
Posted By: Michael678
Date Posted: December 24 2014 at 14:01
The Doors by a long shot!!!  ------------- Progrockdude |
Posted By: KingCrInuYasha
Date Posted: December 24 2014 at 16:20
1. Jim wrote (or at least, helped write) most of the bulk of the Doors material, including most of Strange Days, "Hello, I Love You" "Love Street", "Five To One", "The Soft Parade", "Queen Of The Highway", "Roadhouse Blues", "The Spy", "L.A. Woman" and "Riders Of The Storm". 2. L.A. Woman is the one you listened to most at the time? Good pick. 3. I don't think the music was an afterthought. A lot of it is very catchy. But that's just me. ------------- He looks at this world and wants it all... so he strikes, like Thunderball! |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: December 24 2014 at 19:14
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Jim was the man! One of the most powerful voices in rock that has been copied about a million times since, but no one reaches his 'boom'. No one, although Brendan Perry comes pretty close. The Doors were infinitely more than the front cover of Jim in his leather pants though. They had an entirely unique sound. A flamenco/blues guitarist, a classically trained pianist/organ player, a jazz drummer and then topping it all off - a wild son of a gun with lyrical influences stretching as far as Sophocles, Baudelaire, Celiné, Nietszche, Kerouac to film and contemporary art scenes - all of it wrapped up in a highly provocative and abstract manner. The Doors as a unity though was probably one of the most progressive bands of the 60s. Proof? Listen to The End and then imagine hearing it in 1967. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Chicapah
Date Posted: January 09 2015 at 14:40
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Doors by a mile. JA was cool and their debut is excellent but it didn't affect the music community the way "The Doors" did. ------------- "Literature is well enough, as a time-passer, and for the improvement and general elevation and purification of mankind, but it has no practical value" - Mark Twain |
Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: January 10 2015 at 09:52
The proposed greatness of Surrealistic Pillow has always evaded me. Doors all the way. ------------- a.k.a. H.T. http://riekels.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow - http://riekels.wordpress.com |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 10 2015 at 10:07
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*walks away from this thread.. actually.. running* really?  ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: FragileKings
Date Posted: January 10 2015 at 10:17
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The Doors certainly have their appeal and there are a few songs I love. But Jefferson Airplane have a longer history with me. Though it's basically After Bathing at Baxter's and Surrealistic Pillow that I like plus a little from Crown of Creation and the debut. ------------- I used to be a fan of particular bands like Rush, Yes, and Deep Purple. Now I travel the Proglands, exploring a little bit of everything. I have become a Prog Voyager. |
Posted By: TeleStrat
Date Posted: January 10 2015 at 10:45
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Having been around in 1967 I can tell you how popular both of these bands were at the time. You couldn't turn on a radio without hearing Light My Fire within a few minutes. The same could be said about Somebody To Love (written by Darby Slick) or White Rabbit (written by Grace Slick). Unfortunately, on AM radio you would usually hear the shortened version of Light My Fire which cut out most of the organ and guitar solos in the middle. I felt at the time that JA was the best San Francisco band as far as musicianship with the original Quicksilver Messenger Service a close second. The Doors had many hits on their debut album that received regular air time while JA was almost limited to the two songs I've already mentioned. I know that someone said that young people didn't even know who the Doors were but I'll bet most of them would immediately recognize the organ intro of Light My Fire. That's probably true of the bass line intro of White Rabbit as well. If not, they would more than likely recognize The End which opened the movie Apocalypse Now. |