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Topic: Your Favorite Era of Classical MusicPosted By: The_Jester
Subject: Your Favorite Era of Classical Music
Date Posted: March 02 2011 at 09:14
For all the numerous classical fans out there. Sorry for the mess between ''the best'' and ''your favorite''.
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Replies: Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: March 02 2011 at 10:38
The best: I voted classical, because that gave us Mozart, Beethoven, Haydn and Schubert, four of the best composers,
Bach and Händel do make the baroque an important period.
Still, it's hard to tell, bacause Wagner, Brahms, Schumann, Tchaikovsky and all the numerous well known romantic composers do give the romantic period a lot of importance.
But my favourite period is the romantic period.
Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: March 02 2011 at 10:48
I don't know about the "best", but most of my favourites are from the early 20th century.
Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: March 02 2011 at 10:48
There is no "best" period; they all contain wonderful music. My favorite period, however, is the romantic period, because it contains such inspiring visionaries as Franz Liszt, Hector Berlioz, Richard Wagner and Felix Mendelssohn.
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Posted By: Prog Geo
Date Posted: March 02 2011 at 11:06
I voted Baroque because maybe is my favorite kind of classical music.But I like very much sound-mass music.
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: March 02 2011 at 12:12
What is the difference between contemporary and 21st century music? :S I have to say Romantic/20th century for me, although I haven't heard enough 20th century classical to really vote for it.
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: March 02 2011 at 12:35
There is no "best" era. In fact, without the previous eras none of them would have happened. Music history is one of constant development. It seems to have halted a little in the 21st century but it's still changing.
My favorite era should be the romantic or post-romantic era (including Beethoven, Bruckner, Brahms, etc) plus post-romantic in nationalist schools (like Mussorgsky o Tchaikovsky or Dvorak or Sibelius) plus post-romantics who composed in the 20th century (Shostakovich), but one glance at my cd collection tells me I should go for baroque. I have around 180 cds between just Bach and Handel. Vivaldi, Telemann, Scarlatti, Purcell and others add a little to the collection. I should choose baroque but it's mostly based on two composers. The music, though, is great. Though the magnificent structures and thematic odysseys of later music make me doubt. What's clear is that, Bach and Handel aside, the symphony is my favorite form. Though I like everything.
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Posted By: 40footwolf
Date Posted: March 02 2011 at 12:52
Contemporary for me. Steve Reich, Philip Glass, Kryzstof Penderecki and Zoe Keating are my favorite composers.
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Posted By: spookytooth
Date Posted: March 02 2011 at 13:01
Romantic Era music is my favorite, followed by 20th century classical (which contains my favorite composer, Dmitri Shostakovitch).
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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: March 02 2011 at 22:36
My favourite period is the romantic, or to be more precise, the Late Romantics like Bruckner, Richard Strauss, Elgar, Brahms, Mahler
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: March 02 2011 at 22:52
one friggin vote for 20th century? Ives, Schoenberg, Honegger, Webern, Prokofiev, Bartok, Gershwin .. c'mon!
Posted By: Noak
Date Posted: March 03 2011 at 00:46
Voted 20th Century because that is where my interest in classical music starts, and then it moves forward for the most part. But of course there are great composers from the other eras too.
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: March 03 2011 at 01:25
20th century for me.
Romantic damn close second.
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Posted By: Pastor Rex Cat
Date Posted: March 03 2011 at 03:07
Can't decide but thanks for the names of those eras.
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: March 03 2011 at 03:28
19th and 20th Century is my fav period
Posted By: Atoms
Date Posted: March 03 2011 at 04:49
The East European Contemporary Classical music "scene" is the only genre that I love as much as Prog.
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: March 03 2011 at 05:10
Vivaldi and Bach for me.
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: March 03 2011 at 10:21
Romantic, in particular close to turn of the century Romantic, and Russian. Borodin, Tchaikovsky, Mussorgsky, Rachmaninoff. But Dvorak is great too.
I tend to like the wistful composition of the Russians and eastern Europeans. The Germans, Austrians, Hungarians and all are good but it doesn't mean as much to me.
We play a lot of John Dowland in my guitar ensemble. It's awwright, but gets old by the 4th piece for sure.
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: March 03 2011 at 11:48
Renaissance and earlier music tends to get old quickly...
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: March 03 2011 at 13:55
I don't really have a favorite era; there is good music from all eras. Johann Sebastian Bach is my favorite composer, and I also very much like the music of Barbara Strozzi who is sadly way too little known; she deserves a lot more attention. but that does not make the Baroque my favorite era. for those to whom the name Barbara Strozzi means nothing, listen to these examples:
her melody lines were extraordinary and ahead of her time
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: March 03 2011 at 15:03
BaldJean wrote:
I don't really have a favorite era; there is good music from all eras. Johann Sebastian Bach is my favorite composer, and I also very much like the music of Barbara Strozzi who is sadly way too little known; she deserves a lot more attention. But that does not make the Baroque my favorite era. for those to whom the name Barbara Strozzi means nothing, listen to these examples:
her melody lines were extraordinary and ahead of her time
a pupil of Monteverdi. The problem is that very little records of her work are published. I bought a collection of madrigals by Strozzi on the excellent label Ambronay (it contains thought 2 madrigals by Monteverdi, and one by d'India), but it's probably the only record of music by Strozzi I could ever find in a music store.
And to answer the opener of the post, I will say that Baroque is easily my favorite era. I can't think of a single disappointing artist in this era : Bach, Schütz, Muffat, Pergolese, Vivaldi, Marais, Ste-Colombe, Charpentier, Couperin, Lully, Albinoni, Purcell, Corelli, Delalande, Boismortier, Dieupart, Heandel, Corette, Biber, Scarlatti, Telemann, Zelenka, Rameau, onteverdi, Schein, Albert, Froberger, Buxtehude, Eyck, Carissimi, Pekiel, Zielenski.
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: March 03 2011 at 16:14
lucas wrote:
BaldJean wrote:
I don't really have a favorite era; there is good music from all eras. Johann Sebastian Bach is my favorite composer, and I also very much like the music of Barbara Strozzi who is sadly way too little known; she deserves a lot more attention. But that does not make the Baroque my favorite era. for those to whom the name Barbara Strozzi means nothing, listen to these examples:
her melody lines were extraordinary and ahead of her time
a pupil of Monteverdi. The problem is that very little records of her work are published. I bought a collection of madrigals by Strozzi on the excellent label Ambronay (it contains thought 2 madrigals by Monteverdi, and one by d'India), but it's probably the only record of music by Strozzi I could ever find in a music store. [
actually not. she was a student of Francesco Cavalli, but he was a student of Claudio Monteverdi
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Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: March 03 2011 at 18:15
To call any period of classical "the best" is ignorant, considering two things: a) every period was developed by the previous periods b) every period has something different to offer, e.g Renaissance - modal harmony and organum, Baroque - contrapuntalism and mathematical approach, classical - sonata form and experimental textures, romantic - exploration of harmony and bombast, 20th century - all the isms (nationalism, serrealism, minimalism, impressionism) and on a whole a massive array of combinations of different periods and cultures (also the disintigration of tonality in serrealism...
It would be pretty ignorant to call any one of them the "best". However, my favourite, purely because I personally get more enjoyment out of it, is 20th century music.
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: March 05 2011 at 06:55
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yes, it should be understood "best for you", or "your favourite". There is indeed no such thing as best era.
Nationalism appeared in the romantic era, with references to the local folklore (Chopin's mazurkas, Liszt's hungarian rhapsodies, Wagner's operas, Smetana's symphonic poems).
Sonata was already developed in the Baroque era, with "sonades en trio" in France (François Couperin) and the famous Scarlatti's sonatas for keyboard. Also it is worth mentioning the apparition of concerti (Vivaldi, Corelli, Albinoni).
Classical era saw the development of symphonies.
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Posted By: hobocamp
Date Posted: March 05 2011 at 09:37
The period when Glass and de Machaut played cards together.
Posted By: paganinio
Date Posted: March 05 2011 at 21:57
Romantic era is all about individual expression, which makes it the earliest prototype of progressive metal.
Mahler is Rush! Chopin is Riverside! Liszt is Arcturus!
Technical death metal? No, let's listen to Brahms!
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Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: March 06 2011 at 11:24
lucas wrote:
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yes, it should be understood "best for you", or "your favourite". There is indeed no such thing as best era.
Nationalism appeared in the romantic era, with references to the local folklore (Chopin's mazurkas, Liszt's hungarian rhapsodies, Wagner's operas, Smetana's symphonic poems).
Sonata was already developed in the Baroque era, with "sonades en trio" in France (François Couperin) and the famous Scarlatti's sonatas for keyboard. Also it is worth mentioning the apparition of concerti (Vivaldi, Corelli, Albinoni).
Classical era saw the development of symphonies.
You are right in some ways, not so much in others. Indeed, in the Baroque era, there were pieces called "Sonatas" (which is Italian for "to play" correct me if I'm wrong). They were on of the two categories in small pieces of music, the other being "Cantatas", meaning "to sing". However, none of these - and I can say this in confidence - were in Sonata Form.
Sonata Form was introduced in the Classical era by Haydn, and boiled down to its simplest explanation, is as follows:
Exposition (introduction of all themes) Development (twists and variations that build on the themes) Recapitulation (re-introduction of the themes)
Which all symphonies are based around, strictly or loosely.
As I said in my original comment, Sonata Form was conceived in the Classcal era, not the term Sonata. A Baroque Sonata and a Classical Sonata are worlds apart.
Also, Brahms's Hungarian Dances, Chopin's Mazurkas etc... are the early foundations of Nationalism, however the actual subgenre itself began in the 20th century. These kind of Romantic Nationalist pieces are more Proto-Nationalism than anything... It would be a bit like saying that Jazz first started as soon as quartal harmony was discovered.
Technical death metal? No, let's listen to Brahms!
You'll probably find that to be more Prokofiev
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Posted By: Formentera Lady
Date Posted: March 06 2011 at 17:42
My favourite era is the early 20th century (Stravinsky, Prokofjev, Janacek, Kodaly, Gershwin, Martinu, Bartok) a hair over Baroque (Bach, Telemann, Händel, Vivaldi, Albinoni) and Renaissance (Palestrina, Byrd, di Lasso, Monteverdi).
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: March 07 2011 at 12:40
The Pessimist wrote:
lucas wrote:
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yes, it should be understood "best for you", or "your favourite". There is indeed no such thing as best era.
Nationalism appeared in the romantic era, with references to the local folklore (Chopin's mazurkas, Liszt's hungarian rhapsodies, Wagner's operas, Smetana's symphonic poems).
Sonata was already developed in the Baroque era, with "sonades en trio" in France (François Couperin) and the famous Scarlatti's sonatas for keyboard. Also it is worth mentioning the apparition of concerti (Vivaldi, Corelli, Albinoni).
Classical era saw the development of symphonies.
You are right in some ways, not so much in others. Indeed, in the Baroque era, there were pieces called "Sonatas" (which is Italian for "to play" correct me if I'm wrong). They were on of the two categories in small pieces of music, the other being "Cantatas", meaning "to sing". However, none of these - and I can say this in confidence - were in Sonata Form.
Sonata Form was introduced in the Classical era by Haydn, and boiled down to its simplest explanation, is as follows:
Exposition (introduction of all themes) Development (twists and variations that build on the themes) Recapitulation (re-introduction of the themes)
Which all symphonies are based around, strictly or loosely.
As I said in my original comment, Sonata Form was conceived in the Classcal era, not the term Sonata. A Baroque Sonata and a Classical Sonata are worlds apart.
Also, Brahms's Hungarian Dances, Chopin's Mazurkas etc... are the early foundations of Nationalism, however the actual subgenre itself began in the 20th century. These kind of Romantic Nationalist pieces are more Proto-Nationalism than anything... It would be a bit like saying that Jazz first started as soon as quartal harmony was discovered.
ok, thank you for this explanation.
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: March 07 2011 at 13:48
Hmmmm I didn't see this thread before?
20th Century >>> Baroque > 21st Century > Romantic > Medieval > Classical
I don't listen to enough Renaissance to say really. From what I've heard, I'm not a huge fan.
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Posted By: Bitterblogger
Date Posted: March 07 2011 at 14:17
My vote has put Romantic period in the lead. Although there are no losers with sublime music in each era.
I thought I'd put in a plug for an overlooked genius of the period: Carl Maria von Weber. Check him out!
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: March 07 2011 at 16:14
Bitterblogger wrote:
My vote has put Romantic period in the lead. Although there are no losers with sublime music in each era.
I thought I'd put in a plug for an overlooked genius of the period: Carl Maria von Weber. Check him out!
I love Weber's music, especially the piano concertos and solo piano music and overtures. Solo piano with Hans Kann, piano concertos with Peter Rosel or Roland Keller, and the overtures either with Karajan or Roy Goodman Weber was related to Mozart and was Berlioz's early musical hero
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: March 07 2011 at 19:17
The T wrote:
Renaissance and earlier music tends to get old quickly...
so i guess you're not the one who voted Medieval era?
on topic, i have trouble choosing. My knowledge with classical is limited, in that, i have stuff by various composers from all eras (except medieval). I could tell you who my favorite composers are, but eras? nah i just dont know enough.
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Posted By: The_Jester
Date Posted: March 14 2011 at 17:21
That's where Wikipedia gets usefull. You can know te period of you're favorite composers.
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 14 2011 at 17:53
The_Jester wrote:
That's where Wikipedia gets usefull. You can know te period of you're favorite composers.
Gah! I am not anyone's favourite composer. YOUR favourite.
Anyway - 20th Century followed by Contemporary.
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Posted By: The_Jester
Date Posted: March 26 2011 at 07:42
No one on the 21st Century? I tought it was rather popular among some proggies.
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 26 2011 at 07:52
The_Jester wrote:
No one on the 21st Century? I tought it was rather popular among some proggies.
There is such a crossover from Contempory to 21st Century (and to some extent 20th Century) you could consider all three to be a split vote. Those composers that are working in the 21st century (Glass, Ligeti, Tavner, Nyman, Górecki etc etc) have feet in many "camps";.
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: March 26 2011 at 08:00
Voted for 20th Century principally through familarity with Stravinsky, Copland, Janacek, Ginastera, Bartok etc
Ashamed to say that although I love many pieces by Liszt, Bach, Handel, Delius, Mussorgsky, Ravel etc I don't know for the life of me which composers belong to which era
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Date Posted: March 29 2011 at 14:40
Come on guys, Ludwig and Wolfgang? I know, everything is subjective...
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: March 29 2011 at 20:34
Whichever era you plug Debussy in. He was Medieval, right? I don't know if they are generally accepted as classical but I really like Reich and Glass. Hackett's done some good stuff, more will come to mind. Rypdal... I'll cast the first vote for 21st.
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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: March 29 2011 at 21:40
Slartibartfast wrote:
Whichever era you plug Debussy in. He was Medieval, right? I don't know if they are generally accepted as classical but I really like Reich and Glass. Hackett's done some good stuff, more will come to mind. Rypdal... I'll cast the first vote for 21st.
Debussy's music was written in the late 19th and early 20th Century-he has been called a "Musical Impressionist", his music coinciding with the movement in painting known as Impressionism. Also could be seen as an early Modern composer-kind of a connection between the late Romantics from the tale end of the 19th Century, and music that was written after Debussy (I think he died around 1919)
Posted By: himtroy
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 00:07
Alan Hovhaness and Edgard Varese are my most listened to "Classical Music" followed by Stravinsky. So I have to say 20th century. I like the earlier periods but some times they sound a little too.... I don't know...like they're predictable and bland. Sometimes they even sound like exercises for practice. (This is opinion, don't yell at me)
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 16:11
presdoug wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:
Whichever era you plug Debussy in. He was Medieval, right? I don't know if they are generally accepted as classical but I really like Reich and Glass. Hackett's done some good stuff, more will come to mind. Rypdal... I'll cast the first vote for 21st.
Debussy's music was written in the late 19th and early 20th Century-he has been called a "Musical Impressionist", his music coinciding with the movement in painting known as Impressionism. Also could be seen as an early Modern composer-kind of a connection between the late Romantics from the tale end of the 19th Century, and music that was written after Debussy (I think he died around 1919)
did you notice that the overture of Renaissance's song "at the harbour" is borrowed from Debussy's "la cathédrale engloutie" ?
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: March 31 2011 at 04:49
lucas wrote:
presdoug wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:
Whichever era you plug Debussy in. He was Medieval, right? I don't know if they are generally accepted as classical but I really like Reich and Glass. Hackett's done some good stuff, more will come to mind. Rypdal... I'll cast the first vote for 21st.
Debussy's music was written in the late 19th and early 20th Century-he has been called a "Musical Impressionist", his music coinciding with the movement in painting known as Impressionism. Also could be seen as an early Modern composer-kind of a connection between the late Romantics from the tale end of the 19th Century, and music that was written after Debussy (I think he died around 1919)
did you notice that the overture of Renaissance's song "at the harbour" is borrowed from Debussy's "la cathédrale engloutie" ?
So many things are being borrowed in prog. The beginning and some other parts of "The Three Tongues" from Mother Gong's album "Fairy Tales" is taken from Ravel's "Introduction and Allegro For Harp, Flute, Clarinet and String Quartet", for example. Here the Ravel tune:
And here the Mother Gong tune, in two parts:
An album which I fully recommend. It is way too little known, but it should be in everyone's collection, in my honest opinion.
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: March 31 2011 at 04:57
The french school (Ravel, Debussy, Chausson) has my preference, however
i don't dislike a little english romantism from time to time: