Pagan Folk?
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Topic: Pagan Folk?
Posted By: Harold-The-Barrel
Subject: Pagan Folk?
Date Posted: January 20 2011 at 07:02
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I was just listening to Paul Giovanni's wonderful soundtrack to The Wicker Man(1973) performed by folk band Magnet, the songs are very dark but rather funny too, I like the edginess of the lyrics and was wondering if there are any Folk/Prog bands that play these kind of songs or have that Pagan sound? The nearest bands musically I'm aware of would be Renaissance, All About Eve, Wishing Tree, but even then not really? Also does anyone think the soundtrack is Prog related as its kind of a "Concept" in itself? ------------- You must be joking.....Take a running jump...... |
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Posted By: clarkpegasus4001
Date Posted: January 20 2011 at 11:01
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Folk/Prog = Jethro Tull? Tony C. |
Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: January 20 2011 at 11:02
| It's difficult for me to pin point this style. The only example I can give personally would be various tracks from traditional Irish Folk recordings. The ones in particular that touch upon the subject of elves, witchcraft, and folklore in Europe. Steeleye Span and even Pentangle had a few tracks that somehow relate. I own maybe 9 cd's by Ron Geesin who hails from Scotland and his instrumental tracks are reminiscent of the progressions in the Wicker man pieces you have posted. |
Posted By: Harold-The-Barrel
Date Posted: January 21 2011 at 03:49
Thanks TODDLER, I'll look into those  ------------- You must be joking.....Take a running jump...... |
TODDLER wrote:Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: January 21 2011 at 15:10
Add "pagan" to that mix and Songs From The Wood emerges at the top. My fave Tull album, too. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: January 21 2011 at 18:36
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The Wicker Man is an excellent cult movie with some tremendous music and about 5 years back it came back to attention by many... and a really awful remake was made from this movie.
But it's quite difficult to find music approaching, except in terms of paganism texts Comus and Jan Dukes De Grey, but musically I wouldn't compared them. ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 22 2011 at 06:01
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First band that springs to mind when anyone mentions Pagan Folk/Rock would be Inkubus Sukkubus: (amusingly the youtube pop-up advert that popped up when I played this video was "Fly Virgin to Orlando"
 )From the Prog Archives, a not dissimilar band is The Bluehorses, though obviously more proggy than the Inkies:
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: January 22 2011 at 09:06
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Hagalaz' Runedance is the best pagan folk band I have ever heard. It features Andrea Haugen (aka Nebelhexe), who is ex-wife of Thomas Haugen (aka Samoth), bassist for Emperor.
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: January 22 2011 at 09:17
This is GOTHIC rock, with pagan themes but not pagan folk per se. ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: ClemofNazareth
Date Posted: January 22 2011 at 10:41
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Check out the German band Faun: and maybe some of Dead Can Dance: or Darkestrah from Kyrgyzstan: I believe Sol Invictus are also considered pagan folk. We checked them out for Prog Folk but declined to add them. ------------- "Peace is the only battle worth waging." Albert Camus |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: January 22 2011 at 11:08
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Miranda Sex Garden, their last album "Carnival of Souls" recording started in the Norwich graveyard on Friday 13 of August 1999 and all their imagery is absolutely pagan. This Pagan perspective started with their third album "Fairytales about Slavery" Iván ------------- 
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Posted By: cacha71
Date Posted: January 22 2011 at 11:13
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Try the Dutch band Omnia, not necessarily prog but a good example of Pagan folk. Their best albums are "Pagan Folk" and "Alive" http://www.worldofomnia.com/ ------------- http://www.last.fm/group/Progressive+Folk |
Posted By: Harold-The-Barrel
Date Posted: January 22 2011 at 11:23
yeah the remake was an abomination for sure, unless that is of course you consider it a comedy in which case it is hilarious in the extreme  ------------- You must be joking.....Take a running jump...... |
Posted By: Harold-The-Barrel
Date Posted: January 22 2011 at 11:26
Not heard of them, they do look and sound the part alright, i'll check them out, Thanks ------------- You must be joking.....Take a running jump...... |
Posted By: Harold-The-Barrel
Date Posted: January 22 2011 at 11:29
Faun would be my favourite there, very Celtic sound, i like the unusual instruments too and their look is interesting as well. Darkestrah was pleasant and then surpised me by going all Metal towards the end, interesting.Thanks .------------- You must be joking.....Take a running jump...... |
Posted By: Harold-The-Barrel
Date Posted: January 22 2011 at 11:32
Again I don't know either of those bands, of the two I'd probably go with the Bluehorses,thanks for the rec. ------------- You must be joking.....Take a running jump...... |
Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: January 22 2011 at 20:22
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: January 22 2011 at 22:06
I enjoy the dramatic change from folksy medieval flute and voice to dramatic and almost Industrial guitar and violin sections. The final passages are vibrant. It took me several months to add this band until the Collaborators approved them back in 2006 if I'm not wrong and Sean Trane gave the OK I still owe him the addition of their twin band Mediaeval Baebes but today I believe they are more Prog Related.. Iván -------------
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Posted By: Lizzy
Date Posted: January 23 2011 at 15:30
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How about the Miranda Sex Garden related Medićval Bćbes? They also did a nice rendition of Summerisle ------------- Property of Queen Productions... 
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Posted By: Adams Bolero
Date Posted: January 23 2011 at 16:21
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How about Fern Knight:
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Posted By: ProgBob
Date Posted: January 23 2011 at 18:21
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I'm not sure if it helps but one of the Magnet tracks from the Wicker Man (Corn Rigs) was included on an 'acid folk' compilation that came out a few years ago called Gather In The Mushrooms. This was a valuable starting point for me to explore these folky bands of the late 60s/early 70s but I am not sure if it is specific enough for your interest in the 'pagan' aspect.
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Posted By: Harold-The-Barrel
Date Posted: January 24 2011 at 04:12
Thats look like a really interesting compilation, maybe Acid Folk is what i'm looking for after all.  I'm going to see if I can find a copy of that nice and cheap------------- You must be joking.....Take a running jump...... |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: January 24 2011 at 06:51
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Gwydion Pendderwen - Songs for the Old Religion (1975), should be perfect: None of these are purely pagan projects, but lyrics are filled with pagan imagery: Perry Leopold - Christian Lucifer (1973) Extradition - Hush (1971) Although its darker and more aggressive than anything on the Wicker Man OST, Comus - First Utterance is essential pagan prog folk. |
Posted By: PlumAplomb
Date Posted: January 24 2011 at 16:47
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off the top of my head http://%20www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wnk9q4QUeE0" rel="nofollow - http:// www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wnk9q4QUeE0 but i'll think of more. i love miranda sex garden and dead can dance, if you're into the goth stuff i can give a whole list or like stuff from 80's 90' 00's |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: January 24 2011 at 17:17
Hi and welcome, Now to the point: I believe Miranda Sex Garden was wrongly lumped into the Goth Rock world. There's a difference with Gothic (Last Part of the Middle Age from the XII to the XV Centuries), and Goth (A silly revival of the Medieval art also called Victorian Goth in the late 1800's obsessed with darkness and vampires among other nonsenses). Goth Rock is related with Victorian Gothic, while Miranda Sex Garden have an obsession with the late Medieval era originally called Gothic. As a fact their first album MADRA is a collection of Medieval Madrigals, and the key members of the band (Katharine Blake and Teresa Cassella) formed a new band called Mediaeval Baebes. Of course the musical critics never understood the difference between Gothic and Goth, so they were lumped with all the dark bands who played some form of obscure Hard Rock and no Prog relation. Iván -------------
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Posted By: PlumAplomb
Date Posted: January 24 2011 at 17:56
well not trying to get into semantics or split hairs here, but not all goth is rock either and i never said 'goth rock' i said 'goth' which encompasses all of it. i have mediaeval baebes as well plus a whole bunch of music in that vein. i think you are judging me and the music i listen to without even knowing either. i am also not obsessed with darkness for dark's sake, nor vampires. i dont sit at night and incessantly loop bauhaus' 'bela lugosi is dead', nor do i dress gothicly. (i do have about four filigree tattoos though hmmm) i discovered miranda sex garden from the gothic, synth pop, industrial club world. that doesnt mean i immediately classify a band with the scene though. i look into the band as well to discover more. dont get me wrong, i can be a total and complete music snob, but i don't think i should be unfairly stereotyped when i first come to these forums as i would never do that to anyone else. |
Posted By: Proletariat
Date Posted: January 24 2011 at 17:59
wow... sorry for the tangent (im a history major, i cant help it) I don't know the band in question  but maybe I should get to know them now!------------- who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob |
Posted By: PlumAplomb
Date Posted: January 24 2011 at 18:16
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yeah I also wasn't referencing any historical period in my goth interests as well :) although i reference some music i enjoy with periods in time though,when i used to wrok at a music store in my teen years i worked the classical section so i became familiar wiht many time periods for certain music, i definitely had a lot of medieval and all that. goth music has so many subgenres it would be unfair to lump it all together [/QUOTE] ive never heard it referred to like that before, I thought the distinction was between the Gothic era also known as the late middle ages and Gothic Romanticism the 19th century artistic and literary movement which ive never heard of as being distinguished as goth. Personally I don't see goth rock or the goth subculture as having much a relation to either the era or literary movement or atleast Goth has as little to do with Gothic Romanticism as Gothic Romanticism has to do with the Gothic era. wow... sorry for the tangent (im a history major, i cant help it) I don't know the band in question [/QUOTE]
but maybe I should get to know them now! |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: January 24 2011 at 18:31
Interesting, as plumAplomb said, I discovered MSG in the Goth scene, but the musical differences were radical, as you might listen in the sample I posted and in most songs, their music is full of flutes, tambourine, violin and a Celtic Medieval Pastoral sound. So I did a bit of research and found:
As a fact one of the icons of the Goth culture is Siuxee (from Siuxie and the Banshees)
MSG was presented in Goth clubs, and gigs, but on an interview Katharine Blake made referebnce to the Medieval Gothic rather than to the early Romantic Victorian Gothic Revival. Iván Sorry, I referred to the Romantic or Victorian Gothic revival as Goth, that was my mistake, but the rest is verified. -------------
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Posted By: PlumAplomb
Date Posted: January 24 2011 at 18:46
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well in retrospect, i did not mean to take it personally, i just didn't want to be lumped into a stereotype because of my interests. i dont dress goth, in fact i currently am wearing a millenium falcon
shirt with jeans and purple converse for example. starting in the late 70's siouxie, the cure and joy division were probably the biggest 'goth' bands to emerge back then, a large part of genre defining are the people as well, they create the scene. the people in the bands and the fans. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: January 24 2011 at 19:06
LOL, didn't pretended to be harsh. When I said silly, I referred to the Victorian or Romantic Gothic Revival, as a fact I like Goth music. In the late 90's I downloaded from paid Audio Galaxy (It was apparently legal because we paid a fee and even free download hadn't been declared illegal yet), it was a Prog paradise, but it was closed and I joined a legal pay site that didn't had Prog at all, so started to download Goth music which I found mysterious and interesting. Iván -------------
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Posted By: PlumAplomb
Date Posted: January 24 2011 at 23:03
I remember audio galaxy. i get a lot of my prog from my one friend who pretty much has/knows it all. and i also reearch on here :) |