Black Sabbath vs. Led Zeppelin
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Topic: Black Sabbath vs. Led Zeppelin
Posted By: adace1
Subject: Black Sabbath vs. Led Zeppelin
Date Posted: January 13 2011 at 19:18
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I'm going with Black Sabbath though LZ is a great band as well.
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: January 13 2011 at 19:20
| inb4 wrong section |
Posted By: Misomex777
Date Posted: January 13 2011 at 19:23
Sabbath is a joke compared to Zep, be serious! 
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Posted By: Heathcliffe
Date Posted: January 13 2011 at 19:29
| Sabbath. |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: January 13 2011 at 19:29
Indeed! And Zep is a joke compared to Deep Purple.
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Misomex777 wrote:Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: January 13 2011 at 19:29
Unfortunately we can't start polls in the Prog-Related forum section. Led Zeppelin for me. |
Posted By: The Tourist
Date Posted: January 13 2011 at 19:29
| This poll seems kind of familiar but I vote Zeppelin. |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: January 13 2011 at 19:30
But people can start polls in General Music section.
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: January 13 2011 at 19:31
This hopefully hurts Misomex a bit, but unfortunately it also hurts us well-behaved Zeppelin fans  |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: January 13 2011 at 19:33
I don't remember polls there but I trust your knowledge. It would have been a better place indeed. |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: January 13 2011 at 19:36
Hehe, you voted there in my Mingus VS Brubeck poll, remember?
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Posted By: adace1
Date Posted: January 13 2011 at 19:37
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^Why the general music section? They're both listed on this site.
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: January 13 2011 at 19:39
Ah, yeah sorry for that. I was just giving Miso a bit of his own medicine.
Anyway, I voted for Sabbath. Meaner, heavier, they're Black! Although Zep is a better band overall I have realised over these last couple of months (even to Deep Purple), in the sense that they played more than rock, some great folky tunes and a couple of Proggy gems, as well as bloody great blues.
But when it comes to HARD ROCK, Sabbath and Purple burn Zeppelin.
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: January 13 2011 at 19:41
Why the PROG Polls? They're both listed as Prog Related.
Since there is no way to make Polls in the Proto-Prog Prog Related section, yes an odd thing that has been called to the attention of mailto:M@x" rel="nofollow - M@x various times if I'm not mistaken. The 'General Music Discussion' section is the place where generally the non-Prog (that includes Proto and Related) polls are made.
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Posted By: adace1
Date Posted: January 13 2011 at 19:43
Oh ok. I'll try to keep that in mind next time. Thanks  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/adace/?chartstyle=lastfmblue">
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: January 13 2011 at 19:44
No problem.
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Posted By: Jake Kobrin
Date Posted: January 13 2011 at 19:44
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I like them equally. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/pages/Dr-Neil-Kobrin/244687105562746" rel="nofollow - SUPPORT MY FATHER AND BECOME A FAN Jacob Kobrin Illustration |
Posted By: TheOppenheimer
Date Posted: January 13 2011 at 19:45
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thanks to Black Sabbath, we have all the colors and variations of metal: death, black, doom, sludge, grincore, post, folk, thrash, power, symphonic, progressive, tech, etc.... thanks to Led Zeppelin, we have all the colors and variations of Led Zeppelin tribute bands ------------- //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// A veces es cuestión de esperar, y tomarte en silencio. |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: January 13 2011 at 19:53
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Posted By: Mastosis
Date Posted: January 13 2011 at 20:02
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Damn, I knew this question was coming. I listen to Sabbath when I want to get my face melted off, via Children of the Grave or Symptom of the Universe. I listen to Zeppelin when I want to get transported to another world, via No Quarter or Ten Years Gone. Zeppelin wins every time.
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Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: January 13 2011 at 20:25
Have to agree. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: JACOVICH
Date Posted: January 13 2011 at 20:26
| Led Zeppelin, without blinking! Like BS also, though. |
Posted By: chemebien
Date Posted: January 13 2011 at 21:11
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i really like Sabbath and Zep. I cant decide. ------------- 
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Posted By: trackstoni
Date Posted: January 13 2011 at 23:48
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Equally ! ------------- Tracking Tracks of Rock |
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: January 14 2011 at 01:41
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Two great places in my heart since even my pre-adolescent years. Two excellent bands with approximately equal interest of mine. ------------- A Elbereth Gilthoniel silivren penna míriel o menel aglar elenath! Na-chaered palan-díriel o galadhremmin ennorath, Fanuilos, le linnathon nef aear, sí nef aearon! |
Posted By: Bonnek
Date Posted: January 14 2011 at 02:43
Very much so. |
Posted By: Harold-The-Barrel
Date Posted: January 14 2011 at 04:20
Easily Zeppelin, never heard any merit in Sabbath's music.
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Posted By: akaBona
Date Posted: January 14 2011 at 04:45
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Led Zeppelin > Deep Purple > Black Sabbath |
Posted By: alicemarymc
Date Posted: January 14 2011 at 05:34
| Hello. I believe that Led Zeppelin is really better than Black Sabbath, or at least this is my own oppinion. However, i do not know all their songs. Could you please make a list of the http://www.top10-top20-top50.com/top_20_songs/2" rel="nofollow - SPAM , let's say from both music. Thanks :)) |
Posted By: ThinLizzy
Date Posted: January 14 2011 at 05:38
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Two of my favourite bands. I like them equally.
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Posted By: krishl
Date Posted: January 14 2011 at 06:40
| I liked them equally in the 70s. Now LZ >> BS. |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: January 14 2011 at 06:52
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Although musically, Led Zep were far superior to Sabbath (which The Sabs themselves would acknowledge), i've always had more pleasure from Sabbath, so they get my vote.
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: January 14 2011 at 07:05
| I like the Sabs but Led Zep win by a mile. |
Posted By: ppl
Date Posted: January 14 2011 at 08:37
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Posted By: Varon
Date Posted: January 14 2011 at 08:57
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Black Sabbath > LZ+DP ------------- Would you catch the final words of mine? Would you catch my words??? |
Posted By: Abstrakt
Date Posted: January 14 2011 at 09:04
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Two of my all time favorite bands. I love them both very, very, very, very much. Equal |
Posted By: Morningrise
Date Posted: January 14 2011 at 09:47
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: January 14 2011 at 09:49
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Led Zeppelin > prog
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Posted By: Prog Geo
Date Posted: January 14 2011 at 10:01
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I am a doom metal fan.So,Black sabbath. ------------- Sonorous Meal show every Sunday at 20:00 (greek time) on http://www.justincaseradio.com |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: January 14 2011 at 13:10
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I started to listen to Led Zeppelin when I was 15 years-old. Both my mother and my father bought the Remasters anthology and I used to borrow it from times to times. In fact, I didn't have to buy the records, since my parents bought them! Then, I discovered Black Sabbath nearly by myself (yet, my father had the Heavy Metal OST featuring "The Mob Rules" and two tracks from Sabotage on a tape). I always listened to them (and Deep Purple! and BÖC! and Alice Cooper! and Mountain!) at the same rate, even if I feel closer to the topics of Sab'. But I can't prefer one band to the other. And, more important, you have to keep at least ONE thing in mind: they are better than Rush. Way better. |
Posted By: Tuzvihar
Date Posted: January 14 2011 at 14:24
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BLACK SABBATH
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Posted By: Rockjf1
Date Posted: January 14 2011 at 15:22
Led Zeppelin for me altough I adore Black Sabbath
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: January 14 2011 at 15:38
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Sabbath for me...by far! ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: January 14 2011 at 16:40
This |
Posted By: Earendil
Date Posted: January 14 2011 at 20:25
 So hard... I vote Zeppelin though
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Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: January 14 2011 at 20:59
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Sabbath. I never really got why Zeppelin is so beloved.
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: January 15 2011 at 02:05
| LZ were clearly the more talented musicians and had, marginally, the better singer (yeah, let me just say it that Plant's not all that he's cracked up to be, influential but in his own right a rather average singer) but Sabbath got more out of their talent. The rambling, amorphous nature of many of LZ's songs is a sore point with me, I like rock music to be thoroughly composed and even where it has improvisations, to accommodate those appropriately rather than making the whole song a quasi-jam. Ultimately, I feel LZ's enormous talent by itself does not make for as compelling a reason to listen to their work as Sabbath. So, I vote for Sabbath. |
Posted By: 1967/ 1976
Date Posted: January 15 2011 at 02:26
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EASY: Led Zeppelin because they are more Prog!!! -------------  |
Posted By: clarkpegasus4001
Date Posted: January 18 2011 at 13:32
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Led Zep for me, I saw them in 1979 just before the death of John Bonham at Knebworth. The guitarist in our band is also in a Black Sabbath tribute band so don't you guys tell him I voted for Zep! Tony C. |
Posted By: Gandalfino
Date Posted: January 31 2011 at 14:19
| Black Sabbath, by Ozzy´s nose. |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: January 31 2011 at 14:28
| Led Zeppelin for me, they've never released a weak album, Black Sabbath did. |
Posted By: Gandalfino
Date Posted: January 31 2011 at 14:55
´Cause Zeps were early disbanded, Sabs not.
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Posted By: overmatik
Date Posted: January 31 2011 at 16:23
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Black Sabbath all the way, and I won't even play the cards that some Beatles fans use by saying that Sabbath invented hard rock and all the sub-genres that followed. P.S. Zeppelin never released a bad album, are you sure of that? ------------- "Wear the grudge like a crown of negativity. Calculate what we will or will not tolerate. Desperate to control all and everything. Unable to forgive your scarlet letterman." |
Posted By: ferush
Date Posted: January 31 2011 at 17:17
| Led Zeppelin by too few |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: January 31 2011 at 17:31
what makes you think they would've made bad albums? As solo artists, all three remaining members did good albums and the collaboration Page & Plant was great. Based on this idea, i think they would not have messed things up, had Bonzo not died and had they made music together. My opinion.
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Posted By: guitargods2009
Date Posted: January 31 2011 at 22:13
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Sabbath Bloody Sabbath |
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: February 01 2011 at 01:42
Goodness knows, how would be look their collective production in 80´s...  ------------- A Elbereth Gilthoniel silivren penna míriel o menel aglar elenath! Na-chaered palan-díriel o galadhremmin ennorath, Fanuilos, le linnathon nef aear, sí nef aearon! |
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: February 01 2011 at 02:48
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Black Sabbath |
Posted By: jean-marie
Date Posted: February 01 2011 at 10:32
| i can listen to most of zeppelin albums from start to finish (until house of the holly) it's not always the fact with sabbath |
Posted By: Deleuze
Date Posted: February 02 2011 at 16:31
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LZ, Sabbath doesn't give me goosebumps ;P
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Posted By: kostasxrysogelos
Date Posted: February 03 2011 at 07:48
| Black Sabbath for me. They were much more varied than people might think: Heavy "Hendrix-like" blues --> Black Sabbath. Heavy Metal --> Paranoid, Master Of Reality, Vol. 4. Hard Rock with Prog- and Art-Rock Elements --> Sabbath Bloody Sabbath, Sabotage, Technical Ecstasy, and finally.... total crap --> Never Say Die hahaha!! |
Posted By: Hanyou
Date Posted: February 03 2011 at 14:02
Funny, it's kind of the reverse for me. Like "Stairway to Heaven"...I never saw why that song was so great. Kashmir is amazing, though. I love Sabbath's Doom Metal elements. Their title track is just legendary, and every bit as effective, I think, as when it debuted.
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Posted By: MagicMoo
Date Posted: January 13 2012 at 11:33
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Hi everybody!
My vote goes to Led Zeppelin, cause they show a broader range of styles. |
Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: January 13 2012 at 11:53
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Sabbath is kool but they are no match for Zeppelin ! ------------- Prog On! |
Posted By: sideburndude...
Date Posted: January 13 2012 at 21:43
| Led Zeppelin |
Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: January 13 2012 at 22:33
| Sabbath. They had a jazz influence which gives them that cool swing. Zeppelin seem a bit rock n roll influenced which makes them less of a prog band. I also prefer Ozzy's voice over Plant and Iommi's guitar over Page. Zeps sound more outdated to me |
Posted By: The Bearded Bard
Date Posted: May 14 2012 at 17:54
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Sabbath is good, but Zeppelin is bloody brilliant! -------------  
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Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: May 15 2012 at 03:01
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Black Sabbath gives me goose bumps like only few bands/artists does, i adore just about everything they did in the 70's, and i might be the only one here that thinks their last couple of albums (in the 70's) are brilliant.
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Posted By: FunkyHomoSapien
Date Posted: May 15 2012 at 03:54
| zep for me; they were crude most of the time, but could be subtle too. Sabbath and subtle dont go. |
Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: May 15 2012 at 06:45
| ^ Not true Sabbath had a lot of subtle moments, beautiful stuff. But Zep had much more acoustic songs and sound. |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: May 15 2012 at 07:52
I didn't know Zeppelin recorded a Christmas album 
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Posted By: The-Winkler
Date Posted: May 15 2012 at 12:23
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I like both but voted Zepp even though they never wrote their own material
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Posted By: Varon
Date Posted: May 15 2012 at 12:39
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I cant believe that BS are not winning... I thought on this site people would appreciate the uniqueness of Never say die or Sabotage (LZ have never reached such high peaks IMO) ------------- Would you catch the final words of mine? Would you catch my words??? |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: May 15 2012 at 15:00
For me Sabbath were actually a more unique band much more in keeping with their origins (Birmingham/Industrial). Always considered Bill Ward a very underrated drummer.
Zep did what Floyd did to some extent - reinvent Blues and crack America big time. I always feel its a bit 'second hand' as a result. That said Zep developed some more interesting ideas as time went on than Sabbath who just got stuck in a rut and died a bit of a death (until the Ronnie James Dio era to be fair)
I went for the both option but neither threaten my top ten fave bands.
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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: May 15 2012 at 17:05
| The Zeps have a lot in their arsenal: 'Dazed and Confused', 'Whole Lotta Love', 'The Immigrant Song', the stairs, my personal favorite - the album "Houses of the Holy", 'In My Time of Dying', 'Ten Years Gone', ... . What does Sabbath have? 'Iron Man'? 'Paranoid'? My ears say they are dead to me. Besides, I find Jimmy's riffs more melodic, more ... alive than Tony's. |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: May 15 2012 at 18:02
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I like LZ kind of. Not a big fan but they're decent. Sabbath on the other hand is bloody great, so easy choice for me |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: May 15 2012 at 19:26
| I might even have thought differently about this poll had Sabbath Bloody Sabbath not come along. Sabbath changed with that album. Some hardcore Sabbath fans will tell you that's where you get off with Sabbath but that's actually where they became gritty, not just scary in a sort of amusing way. They carried on with this in Sabotage and regained that edge much later with Dio in Dehumanizer. For that reason, I always felt their music was more powerful to me than Led Zeppelin's. Or Deep Purple for that matter. It took Sabbath some time but they eventually went beyond just rocking out and tried to emulate The Who. |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: May 15 2012 at 20:21
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Tough one, but I think LZ was far more accomplished and certainly more varied in their approach. They have some awesome headbanging songs, but they also have some of the most beautiful acoustic tunes in the history of rock. I think it's that excellent juxtaposition of acoustic and electric that sets Zeppelin apart from the majority of rock bands.
That being said, I think Geezer Butler is a better bass player than John Paul Jones, and I like Bill Ward's drumming almost as much as John Bonham's (although the bone crunching play of Bonham is extraordinary).
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Posted By: Follix
Date Posted: May 15 2012 at 20:26
Well I I can't believe how close it is, I was sure that Zeppelin would have around 80% of the votes. The live version of ''Since I've Been Loving You'' is one of the best thing I ever heard. |
Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: May 15 2012 at 21:57
Oh come on man! I guess you are not familiar with Sabbath if you mentioned these songs. And tonny's riffing are not alive? Oh Oh! |
Posted By: Pinkhead
Date Posted: May 15 2012 at 22:12
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Easy for me Led Zeppelin.
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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: May 15 2012 at 23:26
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Led Zep for me also. Funny, my favorite single work by Black Sabbath remains the remarkable "Heaven and Hell!" I play lots of BS and Led Zep on guitar & bass, and Led Zep shows more instrumental brilliance. However, I don't know what they put into Iommi's tea during the "Heaven & Hell" sessions, but that is some brilliant guitar work!! Coupled with RJD vocals, you have magic. Not to slight the rest of the Sabbath catalog, I love every bit of it!
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Posted By: Kashmir75
Date Posted: May 16 2012 at 04:01
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Both are among my favourite bands. I can't choose. ------------- Hello, mirror. So glad to see you, my friend. It's been a while... |
Posted By: MonsterMagnet
Date Posted: May 16 2012 at 05:36
| Led Zeppelin by a mile! Their music is much deeper and they are absolutely classy and mythic! I like Black Sabbath and I rescpect them but they aren't in the same league. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: May 16 2012 at 05:45
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Posted By: PyramidMeetsTheEye
Date Posted: May 16 2012 at 07:32
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Led Zeppelin,awesome band much better than black sabbath -------------  |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: May 16 2012 at 09:32
Oh, I am familiar with those songs, and no matter how many times I hear them on the radio at my other job (those songs haven't got to the point of annoyance yet), they are just ... blah! I don't like Ozzy's voice, ... never liked it, and Tony does not sound as proficient as Jimmy. Of course one need not be really proficient; it's just that Tony ... I just think he can do better.
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: May 16 2012 at 10:20
| Iron Man, Paranoid is hardly where it's at. I have no idea why these songs get mentioned so often...maybe they got a lot of airplay on the radio. Barring Warpigs and the song Black Sabbath, Master of Reality is where Sabbath start getting interesting at all, for me. |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: May 16 2012 at 12:59
Roger that.
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Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: May 16 2012 at 14:32
| Black Sabbath got more interesting as they went along, pretty much everything is classic but from Sabbath Bloody Sabbath they were much interesting. Songs like Iron Man and Paranoid are just one side of the band, like you can't define LZ with Comunication Breakdown and Black Dog it's just one side of them. |
Posted By: geneyesontle
Date Posted: May 16 2012 at 19:14
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Whole Lotta Love to Led Zeppelin. Sabbath isn't as good ------------- Poseidon wants to Acquire the Taste of the Fragile Lamb - Derek Adrian Gabriel Anderson, singer of the band Geneyesontle |
Posted By: The Cassini Projekt
Date Posted: May 25 2012 at 17:52
| Led Zep by a country mile. I like that Sabbath established a new genre which appeals to me quite a lot, (doom metal) but for the most part their songs are boring and overly pentatonic based, there is just something lacking in the music. Led Zeppelin just wrote better songs ultimately, I'm sure Sabbath were just as experimental in their own way but Led Zeppelin really mixed a lot of different styles and came out with some amazing songs as a result. |
Posted By: KingCrInuYasha
Date Posted: May 26 2012 at 11:10
What does Sabbath have? Black Sabbath The Wizard Behind The Wall Of Sleep (Olympia 1970 version) N.I.B. Sleeping Village All of Paranoid and Master Of Reality Wheels Of Confusion Tomorrow's Dream Supernaut Snowblind Cornucopia Laguna Sunrise Under The Sun Sabbath Bloody Sabbath A National Acrobat Fluff Sabbra Cadarbra Looking For Today Spiral Architect Hole In The Sky Symptom Of The Universe Megalomania Thrill Of It All Supertzar ------------- He looks at this world and wants it all... so he strikes, like Thunderball! |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: May 26 2012 at 11:43
| ^ And does any of it have organ or piano or complex and melodic riffs executed on a guitar with a rich tone? |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: May 26 2012 at 12:01
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Come on, Sabracadabra doesn't have piano? I am guessing you still haven't properly heard Sabbath Bloody Sabbath or Sabotage albums. As for riffs, LZ's riffs may be complex but they are not very crushing, to my ears anyway. I like riffs that are really crushing, infectious and immediately arouse the ace air-guitarist in me into action. If I want complex chords, I will listen to good keyboard music or stuff where they use guitar as an ensemble instrument, e.g. KC, Genesis. |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: May 26 2012 at 12:09
I never said that.
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: May 26 2012 at 21:00
It was a rhetorical question, as if to highlight what Sabbath doesn't have that LZ has in plenty "Do any of those songs have organ or piano or...."? |
Posted By: ole-the-first
Date Posted: May 27 2012 at 12:58
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I've never liked first two LZ albums (exept for the few songs like 'Good Times, Bad Times', etc), and Sabbath's first two albums are masterpieces. On the other hand, LZ IV and Houses of the Holy are blowing away Vol. 4 and Sabbath Bloody Sabbath (and everything else Sabbath ever did). LZ III and Master of Reality are equally good for me. Sabotage vs Physical Graffiti? Sabotage for me. On the other hand, Technical Ecstasy and Never Say Die are nothing comparing with Presence and In Through the Outdoor. And after 70's Black Sabbath did at least one more masterpiece, Heaven and Hell, and Dio is a hell of a singer, especially in comparison with Plant. In general, LZ are much more professional band, but sometimes the music of BS I can understand better. Thus, I really can't choose. So I vote for the third variant, I love them equally. ------------- This night wounds time. |
Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: May 27 2012 at 13:07
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Zepplin.
The best ROCK band ever ! ------------- Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours |
Posted By: nima1024
Date Posted: May 30 2012 at 14:35
| Of course Led Zeppelin. :) |