Free: Honor Thy Drummer: A Tribute to Mike Portnoy
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Topic: Free: Honor Thy Drummer: A Tribute to Mike Portnoy
Posted By: Kyo
Subject: Free: Honor Thy Drummer: A Tribute to Mike Portnoy
Date Posted: December 26 2010 at 04:34
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Hey everyone, let me plug this nice little project that I've helped out with a bit - I imagine quite a few people here might enjoy it!  I'll post the full press release in the News section as well, but since this is a free project, I think it belongs in this subforum, too!  http://www.postimage.org/" rel="nofollow">  http://www.postimage.org/" rel="nofollow">  December 25, 2010 – Independent musicians, graphic artists, and a computer graphics demogroup have collaborated on a grand scale multimedia tribute to Mike Portnoy, in celebration of over a quarter of a century of highly influential musicianship. (...) - Full press release available on the website! _______________ Music Videos In Progress featuring Mark Zonder - Leave Now Standard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K979aqwpDLE" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K979aqwpDLE HQ Audio: http://www.vimeo.com/17753235" rel="nofollow - http://www.vimeo.com/17753235 _______________ Halcyon - RockyProg Standard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqvaQMQqiYI" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqvaQMQqiYI HQ Audio: http://www.vimeo.com/16042629" rel="nofollow - http://www.vimeo.com/16042629 Full Album Download http://www.spaceprog.com" rel="nofollow - www.spaceprog.com mirror http://www.freempf.co.cc" rel="nofollow - http://www.freempf.co.cc" rel="nofollow - www.freempf.co.cc ------------- "Freedom in the 21st Century means being incommunicado." http://www.relocator-project.com" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 26 2010 at 04:40
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The links to download don't seem to work. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Kyo
Date Posted: December 26 2010 at 04:46
Oops, I keep forgetting ProgArchives needs an http:// in front of everything regardless of URL tags. Thanks, fixed it! :) ------------- "Freedom in the 21st Century means being incommunicado." http://www.relocator-project.com" rel="nofollow">
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Snow Dog wrote:Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 26 2010 at 04:51
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I don't understand how it is a tribute. I don't recognise any of the songs. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Rivertree
Date Posted: December 26 2010 at 04:54
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Oh, wow, so much honour ... okay, he deserves it ... now is Mike already informed about this?? ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Rivertree" rel="nofollow">  |
Posted By: Kyo
Date Posted: December 26 2010 at 05:08
I never quite understood why a tribute should always be a collection of cover songs. Isn't that boring?  Anyway, it's all explained in the press release - these are artists/bands that were influenced by Mike and his projects and music that was in part inspired by his work. There are personal comments from the artists regarding Mike's influence on them in the booklet. ------------- "Freedom in the 21st Century means being incommunicado." http://www.relocator-project.com" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 26 2010 at 05:09
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Ok I get it. A load of bands promoting themselves by using Portnoy's name in the title. And a few quotes about how great an influence he is in the booklet. Otherwise no connection whatsoever.
But..it is free music so maybe worth a listen. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 26 2010 at 05:10
Sorry I posted my comment above before I saw this But I can't see how it can be a tribute otherwise..
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Posted By: Kyo
Date Posted: December 26 2010 at 05:17
As I said, I think the idea that a tribute has to be a bunch of cover songs is pretty random. I think it's actually more of a tribute when people present something that shows the importance of the original artist's work for those paying tribute in a musical way rather than just copy something that has been done before. I actually think the best tributes are completely original compositions written explicitely for that purpose. If Mike's influence is always apparent in all of these contributions is another question and one that you should probably ask the guy who produced the whole thing. ------------- "Freedom in the 21st Century means being incommunicado." http://www.relocator-project.com" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 26 2010 at 05:25
I will give it a listen anyhow. But the majority of people who buy for example a Rush tribute album....want Rush songs imo. The Concert for Freddie Mercury would have for example been pointless without the |Queen covers. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Kyo
Date Posted: December 26 2010 at 05:42
Well, the people on Mike's own forum are loving it, so I'd say the lack of cover songs is not as big a deal as you're making it out to be. Also, notice how people buying a tribute is completely backwards? A tribute is supposed something that is given, not something that you charge money for. ------------- "Freedom in the 21st Century means being incommunicado." http://www.relocator-project.com" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Kyo
Date Posted: December 26 2010 at 10:45
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Er... what's up with the overzealous moderation? How does this thread belong in " forum_topics.asp?FID=77&title=prog-tribute-bands-and-prog-radio" rel="nofollow - Prog Tribute Bands and Prog Radio "? Nobody involved is available for cover tune shows and nobody is broadcasting anything, either...
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: December 26 2010 at 11:14
Honor Thy Drummer: A Tribute to Mike Portnoy ------------- 
Check out my YouTube channel! http://www.youtube.com/user/demiseoftime" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/user/demiseoftime |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: December 26 2010 at 12:10
 Though less spamming generally results in less overzealotting.
Okay - how about "Music inspired by..." because it isn't a Tribute (with a capital "T") either.
A plug is a plug is a plug -"Get The Word Out". ------------- What? |
Posted By: Kyo
Date Posted: December 26 2010 at 12:22
I think it's up to everyone himself how he pays tribute to someone, wouldn't you agree?
But yeah, if you want to move it, it makes a lot more sense to put it here than to have it in "Tribute bands & radio", which after all is a forum meant to be about live performances of covers and live broadcasts - none of which have anything to do at all with this compilation project. ------------- "Freedom in the 21st Century means being incommunicado." http://www.relocator-project.com" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: December 26 2010 at 13:31
Everybody wants their latest project or latest release on the front page, but unless you are an artist listed in the archives it isn't going to happen.
If you don't agree with that, then I'm sure you will find other websites and forums were you can promote yourself. ------------- What? |
Posted By: Kyo
Date Posted: December 26 2010 at 14:18
Well, my band is listed. But this is not a release by my band per se, just one that we contributed a track to (that's obviously the nature of a compilation). Now what? Does the whole thing need to meet some quota of PA-featured bands to be considered newsworthy? Can I look this stuff up somewhere? See, when I can't even post an actual press release in the Press
Releases forum without having it deleted, I am pretty sure it's not me
doing something wrong.
I know artists who have fake accounts all over the net to avoid this kind of problem. I think it's pathetic in a way, but I now realize they actually have a good reason to do that. Because anyone not directly involved in the project could've posted about this thing in the Recommendations forum without having it moved to a place that nobody reads. This distinction does nothing but punish the musically creative or force them to participate incognito, none of which strikes me as healthy for a music forum. ------------- "Freedom in the 21st Century means being incommunicado." http://www.relocator-project.com" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: December 26 2010 at 16:05
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This is a prog site Kyo. We have to draw the line somewhere, so the distinction we use is that if a band is listed on our site, they are considered prog and are discussed in prog sections. If we did not enforce such rules, sections such as the Prog News and press releases would be overrun with posts about anything and everything. Of course, everyone thinks their project is more important than everyone else's, and that they should therefore be some sort of exception. At the end of the day though, our members expect to read prog news in the prog new section.
Other projects, such as yours are welcome to be promoted, but in the appropriate sections. You could perhaps be a little more grateful for the free publicity you are being afforded here. I'm sure mailto:M@x" rel="nofollow - M@x would be happy to sell you some advertising space too, if you wish to gain a higher profile for your project.
If you wish to discuss this matter further, I suggest you do so by PM to myself or Dean (or mailto:M@x" rel="nofollow - M@x for advertising rates).
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Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: December 27 2010 at 17:44
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I see Bad Salad in the track listing Downloading now! ------------- http://ow.ly/8ymqg" rel="nofollow">  
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Posted By: Kyo
Date Posted: December 27 2010 at 19:41
EDIT: I didn't get what you were saying the first time I read it - let's try this again: Well, Andyman1125 seems to have added the album to the site now. Does that change things?
This press release made the headlines over at Blabbermouth, a much larger site with no particular focus on prog. I find it pretty astonishing that it was considered less relevant by a prog-specific website like PA.
I contributed a nice press release via the regular channels, thus contributing quality content to your news section just the way it is meant to happen (unless I am *very* confused about something here). It seems nobody was particularly grateful for that content because it was simply deleted. And now you are accusing *me* of being ungrateful?
With all due respect, the idea that a very casual collective of indie artists would get together and actually pay money to have a *FREE* tribute project advertised strikes me as absurd. If you don't want it featured on your site, that'll just have to be it, I'm afraid. There are certainly projects where it makes sense and we have considered booking some ads for our own band eventually, but that's a very different situation. ------------- "Freedom in the 21st Century means being incommunicado." http://www.relocator-project.com" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Kyo
Date Posted: December 27 2010 at 20:04
Cool! Thanks a lot for adding the album and the two music videos (created just for this project!) to the PA database, Andy! ------------- "Freedom in the 21st Century means being incommunicado." http://www.relocator-project.com" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: December 28 2010 at 04:19
Says it all. I think you've done well in terms of publicity here Kyo. Let's leave it at that.
Anyone can add albums to this site. Whether they remain is a decision to be taken by our collaborators.
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Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: December 28 2010 at 10:23
well AtomicCrimsonRush has already posted a bombin' review... so I take he votes yes? ------------- http://ow.ly/8ymqg" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: December 28 2010 at 11:15
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The placement of albums in Various Artists is not done a voting basis - the final say on whether an album remains is with the Admin Team. The VA: Tributes section is for albums that are tributes to PA artists and would consist of tracks originally recorded by said artists. Since Michael has already kicked up a fuss over this thread being placed in "Prog Tribute Bands" then the album being placed in "VA: Tributes" is equally as incongruous. Quite what this album is, and where it should belong (if at all), is something we will have to think about. The presence of one PA listed artists and a couple of tracks that feature musicians who are in PA listed bands may not be enough for listing VA:Samplers or VA:Concept Albums either. ------------- What? |
Posted By: Blackbeard
Date Posted: December 28 2010 at 12:06
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Can't find the news, so i will spread the message of a free download. I have just started to listen, and it sounds promising. Hope you like it: http://www.spaceprog.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.spaceprog.com |
Posted By: Kyo
Date Posted: December 28 2010 at 13:05
I don't see it like that at all. It's definitely a tribute to a PA artist by various other artists, no doubt about that. Not sure where this idea that a tribute always has to be presented in the form of cover songs and nothing else came from. It's certainly not that way in jazz circles where people often pay tribute to their heroes by emulating certain musical approaches - regardless of who was the composer of a piece and very often including original compositions clearly influenced by the artist to whom the tribute is dedicated. For example, there's the famous "Directions in Music" album by Herbie Hancock with Michael Brecker and Roy Hargrove. The subtitle for that one is "Celebrating Miles Davis and John Coltrane", and yet it features tunes written by Hargrove and Brecker as well as tunes that Miles Davis recorded but didn't write himself. In fact, of the eight tracks, just one half of a two-song medley was actually written by Davis. ------------- "Freedom in the 21st Century means being incommunicado." http://www.relocator-project.com" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: December 28 2010 at 13:13
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^ Those nuances, as valid as they are, don't count much here as PA has created the Tributes subcategory according to the generally accepted definition of the tribute album: A tribute album is a recorded collection of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cover_version" rel="nofollow - cover versions of songs or instrumental compositions. Its concept may be either various artists making a tribute to a single artist, a single artist making a tribute to various artists, or a single artist making a tribute to another single artist. (Wiki) |
Posted By: Kyo
Date Posted: December 28 2010 at 13:45
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I like the simple term "cover albums" for those, but that's probably too straightforward. I was already told that this board is infamous for its "is it prog? should it be added? and what genre is it, really?" discussions. Guess it's very important that no "false prog" gets past quality control. I am frequently amused by the importance placed on labels and categories. Our own album's style isn't really captured correctly by any single one of those and that seems to be true for a lot of music that I listen to these days. Really makes you wonder if these categories really matter. Anyway, don't let me disturb your discussion of where this 4-star compilation (as per AtomicCrimsonRush's rating) might fit. ------------- "Freedom in the 21st Century means being incommunicado." http://www.relocator-project.com" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: December 28 2010 at 14:16
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: December 28 2010 at 14:26
What you like and what the rest of the world likes in terminology is fine by me. We here at PA like VA:Tributes to contain cover versions of the artist being tributed.
Anyway, it seems strange to complain about the additions policy once you are in, but hey-ho. Do carry on.
They don't matter at all, it is just one way of organising 5,887 artists and 30,720 albums in a way that makes site navigation a little easier in finding that one album you are looking for amid all those. I'm sure you would have been less than happy if we'd placed Relocator under Indo/Raga or RPI, so the time and effort spent in placing you in a more appropriate, though not exact, category was time moderately well spent I would imagine. ------------- What? |
Posted By: Kyo
Date Posted: December 28 2010 at 14:53
Does it? This is not the first time I've been involved in such discussions regarding an album that I had a hand in and it probably won't be the last. Just voicing my opinion. Who knows, maybe some things will change down the road because of something I said (or maybe I'm just rambling, but that's fine, too ).
It sure seems they matter to some people, seeing how many times I've seen some reviewer remark that album such-and-such really belongs in category XYZ.
Certainly! ------------- "Freedom in the 21st Century means being incommunicado." http://www.relocator-project.com" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Kyo
Date Posted: December 28 2010 at 14:56
Maybe he's referring to the album information in your database, it doesn't mention the official source for this compilation anywhere. ------------- "Freedom in the 21st Century means being incommunicado." http://www.relocator-project.com" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: December 28 2010 at 16:04
Free-releases are a new phenomina that needs some thought - at present distribution for most free-releases is single point and impermanent - maintainence of links to these in the main database is something we cannot manage on a voluntary basis, and we cannot manage it automatically. Of course these links could be placed in the "Releases information" section of the album entry, but it would not be maintained or updated should the link go dead or the mirror sites move. ------------- What? |
Posted By: Kyo
Date Posted: December 29 2010 at 12:53
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Since it's probably not a website you'll be revisiting too often once you have the mp3s, let me point out that we have now added Anthony's "A few words from the producer" to http://www.spaceprog.com" rel="nofollow - www.spaceprog.com ------------- "Freedom in the 21st Century means being incommunicado." http://www.relocator-project.com" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: December 29 2010 at 21:53
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Hey guys! Nice conversation - as my name appeared about 3 times I thought I might buzz in. Nothing to say just buzzing in and out. Great free download though and enough prog artists to warrant inclusion.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 30 2010 at 04:12
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^ It isn't your decision. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: December 30 2010 at 10:41
Wow, just. . . . wow. -------------   
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 30 2010 at 11:12
If you've got a problem. You'd better speak up.  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: December 30 2010 at 11:22
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 30 2010 at 11:23
Thanks pal. I needed that. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 30 2010 at 11:26
I know. I am amazing. Everything I say. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: December 30 2010 at 15:26
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Well, somehow it's made to the #97 best album of 2010. That was fast! ------------- http://ow.ly/8ymqg" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: December 30 2010 at 16:00
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I listened to the whole thing today. I don't know what it has to do with Mike Portnoy or drumming especially, but it is loaded with progressive music (some of it really good actually), and has piqued my interest in Relocator and a few other bands. I would say it definitely belongs on this website- perhaps in Various Artists: Samplers rather than Tributes. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: December 30 2010 at 16:07
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Posted By: Kyo
Date Posted: December 30 2010 at 16:14
Cool!
That sounds like a very good alternative placement to me. One might definitely call it a "themed sampler" if you're not comfortable with it in the "tribute album" category! ------------- "Freedom in the 21st Century means being incommunicado." http://www.relocator-project.com" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: December 30 2010 at 16:26
That's not quite the reason for my amazement. Also, I'll download this fat album now. So much drama about it made me curious. EDIT: Wow, really good. And 100% fitting and appropriate tribute. The album sounds almost as if it was made by DT. Keep it in VA: Tributes, because the music sure is a tribute to Dream Theater and its founding drummer. -------------
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Posted By: Kyo
Date Posted: January 01 2011 at 10:56
Very cool to hear that, thanks! ------------- "Freedom in the 21st Century means being incommunicado." http://www.relocator-project.com" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: January 01 2011 at 16:34
I am really struggling with this being a 100% tribute to Portnoy...I listened to the whole album yesterday and a few tracks are good...a lot I just don't see the connection on most songs.
Seems like they may have had a good idea but it got lost along the way and turned into this huge album.
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