A New Prog Sub-Genre
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Topic: A New Prog Sub-Genre
Posted By: darkshade
Subject: A New Prog Sub-Genre
Date Posted: November 26 2010 at 01:02
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Something Ive been thinking about recently; I've been going through my music collection, and it seems to me there is an entire area of music that I could see settling down and making themselves at home on this site. i realized this while listening to a few albums by these particular bands. Bands like Phish, .moe, Umphrey's McGee, The Grateful Dead, Widespread Panic, String Cheese Incident. Aquarium Rescue Unit, Bela Fleck & The Flecktones, Ozric Tentacles, The Disco Biscuits, Medeski Martin & Wood (and various side prodjects and solo projects by members) and many other bands. Many of these bands get lumped into the so-called "jam- band" scene. Now, 5 of those mentioned above are already on this site, in various sub-genre's. They all have albums that could easily be described as progressive rock. Is there an interest for these kinds of bands having their own sub-genre of prog? A Progressive Jam-Band page? Please express your feelings on the matter. In the mean time, i would like to present a couple of albums that i feel warrant this inclusion of a new sub-genre. Phish - Junta A prog rock masterpiece, featuring 5 giant prog epics, mixed with eclectic sounds ranging from jazz-fusion, symphonic, and rock, with a very Zappaesque feeling in the tone and execution. Lots of mood shifts, time signatures, and overall great music. Umphrey's McGee - Anchor Drops This creative band mixes metal, funk, jazz, avant-garde, alt-rock, electronic, with many epic songs. Very tight compositions with a feel-good attitude Trey Anastasio - Time Turns Elastic the singer/guitarist from Phish created the most progressive album ive heard from this 'scene' in recent times, with an orchestra. There is lots of Zappa and other classical influence on this album, particularly the epic title track. other prog albums Phish - Rift Phish - Lawn Boy The Grateful Dead - Terrapin Station Umphrey's McGee - Mantis Trey Anastasio - Horseshoe Curve String Cheese Incident - 'Round The Wheel Ozric Tentacles - Jurassic Shift Phish - A Picture of Nectar The Grateful Dead - Blues for Allah .moe - L Disco Biscuits - They Missed The Perfume ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm 
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Posted By: b_olariu
Date Posted: November 26 2010 at 04:07
what , a new prog sub genre, man you think to much, maybe only recently. I have nothing agaist this kind of posts but a new sub genre for prog is totaly useless
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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: November 26 2010 at 05:29
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Got too many as it is and some of those are not necessary. ------------- 
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Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: November 26 2010 at 06:33
------------- Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours |
Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: November 26 2010 at 07:20
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it is all prog
k?
labels are just a way of controlling the amount of artists attached to the genre -------------
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: November 26 2010 at 10:24
You are wrong on all counts  |
tamijo wrote:Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: November 26 2010 at 10:41
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: November 26 2010 at 12:07
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i understand what some of you guys are saying. Im saying, the bands that are already in the database do not get much exposure as it is, because they are in sub genres that have more popular bands. and the ones that arent, well, theyve been discussed and argued for to be on this site (Grateful Dead for example, i remember a big thread earlier this year for their inclusion) what im saying is, for example, Phish is in prog related, probably because they arent symphonic enough, jazzy enough, or eclectic enough, (though id beg to differ). i dont remember why they are in PR Umphrey's McGee used to be in Jazz Rock-Fusion, then got moved to eclectic, then crossover. obviously no one can decide the best place for them Ozric Tentacles are listed under Psychedelic/Space Rock; and while i dont disagree with this, they go beyond this sound and are very electronic, not to mention they improvise a lot. .moe, Disco Biscuits, Trey Anastasio Band, The Grateful Dead, and Aquarium Rescue Unit all have prog albums, but they're not even in the database ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: November 26 2010 at 12:13
the reason i suggest it is, the bands that can be considered for this genre, are scattered all over the place on this site, and ones that arent, well, arent. this would be a nice way to collect them all in one convenient place. If PA wants to be the most extensive Prog resource on the internet, i think adding this genre would be a good idea. There is a lot of prog music contained within the albums i listed and more. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: November 26 2010 at 12:22
| Good point, I agree these bands have this issue in common, but I think the number of bands is way too little to have their own category on PA. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: November 26 2010 at 12:36
Well Darkshade, in my opinion Jam-Band is the most ambiguous term I ever heard, Jamming is a style of improvisation that can be common to bands of many sub-genres, even when Jamming it's more used in Fusion, Psych and some Heavy Metal, I heard jamming in Symphonic or Folk Prog. So no, I don't believe we need more sub-genres, as a fact I believe we have too many. (An excess of 4 IMO). Iván ------------- 
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: November 26 2010 at 12:52
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this is a list of bands that could be included in the 'jam-band' category that have prog albums (these are all i know) the ones in bold are already on this site btw guys, im not a big fan of the term 'jam bands', mostly for the same reasons Ivan already exclaimed. I've been using it as an umbrella term to group these bands together. Phish Umphrey's McGee The Grateful Dead Aquarium Rescue Unit Benevento/Russo Duo Jimi Henrix & The Band of Gypsys Addison Groove Project Bela Fleck & The Flecktones (already suitable in JR?) Widespread Panic .moe The Disco Biscuits Ozric Tentacles Trey Anastasio Band Medeski Martin & Wood (already suitable in JR?) Oysterhead Colonel Les Claypool's Fearless Flying Frog Brigade Particle String Cheese Incident OHMphrey Dirty Dozen Brass Band John Scofield (already suitable in JR?) Galactic Strangefolk Les Claypool Primus Keller Williams Buckethead The Breakfast Dark Star Orchestra Colonel Claypool's Bucket of Bernie Brains Hot Buttered Rum Jacob Fred Jazzy Odyssey Jam Camp ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: November 26 2010 at 16:04
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I can see your point, but I would respond in two ways: 1. We have too many sub genres as it is. 2. A lot of time and energy is spent beating ourselves up over who or what should be included in those too many sub genres. Another one would only exacerbate the issue. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: November 26 2010 at 17:44
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what about Dave Matthew Band http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Matthews_Band - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Matthews_Band -------------  
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: November 26 2010 at 21:32
they are part of the scene, for sure. However, I am unsure of their proggy-ness. Perhapst some examples of that? im not the biggest Dave fan ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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