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A massive debt to 1-2-3

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Topic: A massive debt to 1-2-3
Posted By: resurrection
Subject: A massive debt to 1-2-3
Date Posted: November 21 2010 at 01:49

Progressive rock owes a massive debt to 1-2-3 (later Clouds). Without the Marquee performances of 1967, there would be no Yes, Nice, King Crimson. But don't take my word for it, check the history. The clues are out there......




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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: November 27 2010 at 16:35
OMG REALLY!????

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Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 02:47
I get annoyed when people say "if it wasn't for *insert band here* we wouldn't have *these bands* or *this genre*". To get to the point: Prog would have happened anyway.

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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 05:28
An in depth study here: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=41915 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=41915

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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 05:43
Great link Dean, what a memory!


Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 06:07
^ So good detective work by Mark too - but as Gabe said: Prog would have happened anyway.

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Posted By: resurrection
Date Posted: December 05 2010 at 02:28
Originally posted by irrelevant irrelevant wrote:

I get annoyed when people say "if it wasn't for *insert band here* we wouldn't have *these bands* or *this genre*". To get to the point: Prog would have happened anyway.
 
Actually, that's absolutely true, Prog didn't happen just because of one band or any one set of circumstances, and would have found it's way regardless. But it's true to say that many British Prog bands would not have set out on the path they took but for 1-2-3's Marquee appearances, particularly YES, THE NICE, and KING CRIMSON. The whole idea of a band playing music with total freedom, odd bar lines and tempi, and rewritten sections of well-known songs definitely came from that source. Sadly, it was above the heads of the music press as well as the general public, two years before Prog became a genre at all. The other sad thing for 1-2-3 was that with Brian Epstein's death and Robert Stigwood's love of the Bee-Gees, the band lost their way for that crucial year or so when progressive music took flower. By the time they regrouped (as Clouds), they were merely part of the mainstream. With no records to confirm their pre-eminent position, this left the credit to the bands who had actually copied them. That's a fact, now acknowledged by history, but much too late to change the minds or perceptions of the record-buying public. Just seems incredibly ironic that a band of such importance to progressive music is a minor footnote to our site!


Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: December 05 2010 at 04:43
Originally posted by resurrection resurrection wrote:

Originally posted by irrelevant irrelevant wrote:

I get annoyed when people say "if it wasn't for *insert band here* we wouldn't have *these bands* or *this genre*". To get to the point: Prog would have happened anyway.
 
Actually, that's absolutely true, Prog didn't happen just because of one band or any one set of circumstances, and would have found it's way regardless. But it's true to say that many British Prog bands would not have set out on the path they took but for 1-2-3's Marquee appearances, particularly YES, THE NICE, and KING CRIMSON. The whole idea of a band playing music with total freedom, odd bar lines and tempi, and rewritten sections of well-known songs definitely came from that source. Sadly, it was above the heads of the music press as well as the general public, two years before Prog became a genre at all. The other sad thing for 1-2-3 was that with Brian Epstein's death and Robert Stigwood's love of the Bee-Gees, the band lost their way for that crucial year or so when progressive music took flower. By the time they regrouped (as Clouds), they were merely part of the mainstream. With no records to confirm their pre-eminent position, this left the credit to the bands who had actually copied them. That's a fact, now acknowledged by history, but much too late to change the minds or perceptions of the record-buying public. Just seems incredibly ironic that a band of such importance to progressive music is a minor footnote to our site!

Interesting.


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