SERIOUS complaint about reviews.
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Topic: SERIOUS complaint about reviews.
Posted By: Man Overboard
Subject: SERIOUS complaint about reviews.
Date Posted: June 07 2005 at 22:28
I've seen a lot of reviews that'll give an album, DESPITE that album's
content, ONE STAR on the basis of being prog metal, which "isn't
progressive rock".  WTF?Prog metal is a genre that THIS SITE COVERS, so it is illogical to give it one-star because it's prog metal. What the hell? Can you imagine if there was a large faction of people who thought RIO didn't count as progressive rock, and made editorial reviews "Oh, this album's good *if you like RIO*, but it's not prog-rock in the vein of Yes/Genesis/Floyd, so it gets one star, bitches!"? That's ****ed up. ------------- https://soundcloud.com/erin-susan-jennings" rel="nofollow - Bedroom guitarist". Composer, Arranger, Producer. Perfection may not exist, but I may still choose to serve Perfection. Commissions considered. |
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Posted By: Fibonacci's Se
Date Posted: June 07 2005 at 22:50
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which numskull said that??? and what album are you talking about? ------------- cajole the promethean king while his pastiche panjandrum is caught within soleism, genuflect, avoid malversation |
Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: June 07 2005 at 22:52
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thats "four stars"ed up. makes five stars
Anywho, I think your right. A good/bad album deserves to be rated according to it's quality. If you don't consider an album, or even subgenre to be progressive, state that as an aside in the review, and after that, review the album on it's merits (or lack of it), rating the album accordingly. ------------- I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 07 2005 at 22:58
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The annoying thing isn't that. The annoying thing is the reviews on thias site right now.Five or six ones with 5-stars reviews of a screwed up album. This is ALL messed up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BAN BAND ACTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: June 07 2005 at 22:58
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...what ****ed up album do you speak of?
------------- https://soundcloud.com/erin-susan-jennings" rel="nofollow - Bedroom guitarist". Composer, Arranger, Producer. Perfection may not exist, but I may still choose to serve Perfection. Commissions considered. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 07 2005 at 23:02
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I'm talkin about the 8-10 reviews of one screwed up album, all getting five stars as "masterpieces". That's all messed up!!! Surely u must understand and see what album i'm refering to as ** sh*t!!!!!!! |
Man Overboard wrote:Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: June 07 2005 at 23:16
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Well to be fair, I've been listening to that album for a few weeks, and
I'd give it no less than four stars myself. It's DT's best album
since Falling Into Infinity.
------------- https://soundcloud.com/erin-susan-jennings" rel="nofollow - Bedroom guitarist". Composer, Arranger, Producer. Perfection may not exist, but I may still choose to serve Perfection. Commissions considered. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 07 2005 at 23:18
| Not my point, we can't have this site as a childrens playground, kind of fan-site for some metal-bands. It's enough now!!! |
Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: June 07 2005 at 23:19
For ****'s sake, Octavarium's not even a metal album! Have you LISTENED to it?  ------------- https://soundcloud.com/erin-susan-jennings" rel="nofollow - Bedroom guitarist". Composer, Arranger, Producer. Perfection may not exist, but I may still choose to serve Perfection. Commissions considered. |
Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: June 07 2005 at 23:22
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Don't let the child bait you Man
Els he will report you ------------- I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT |
Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: June 07 2005 at 23:23
I've been reported lots!  I'm very inflammatory. 
------------- https://soundcloud.com/erin-susan-jennings" rel="nofollow - Bedroom guitarist". Composer, Arranger, Producer. Perfection may not exist, but I may still choose to serve Perfection. Commissions considered. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 07 2005 at 23:23
time to clean up this page!!! BAN BAND ACTION!!! |
Posted By: Poxx
Date Posted: June 07 2005 at 23:23
| It compensates fairly for the people giving away 5 stars, based on it being prog-metal. |
Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: June 07 2005 at 23:25
You don't see those same people going into every prog-metal album and giving it five stars. And a good portion of the reviews of this album HAVE EDITORIAL CONTENT. Read FishyMonkey's review. ------------- https://soundcloud.com/erin-susan-jennings" rel="nofollow - Bedroom guitarist". Composer, Arranger, Producer. Perfection may not exist, but I may still choose to serve Perfection. Commissions considered. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 07 2005 at 23:26
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time for action: BAN BAND ACTION!!! |
Posted By: Poxx
Date Posted: June 07 2005 at 23:31
| It just so happens that none of the "prog metal" bands albums listed on this site are worthy of 5 stars. But of course it's stupid to allow reviews that give 1 stars without a genuine reason. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 07 2005 at 23:33
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Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: June 07 2005 at 23:34
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Pain Of Salvation - Remedy Lane deserves 5 stars and more. ------------- https://soundcloud.com/erin-susan-jennings" rel="nofollow - Bedroom guitarist". Composer, Arranger, Producer. Perfection may not exist, but I may still choose to serve Perfection. Commissions considered. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 07 2005 at 23:36
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cleanup-time! BAN BAND ACTION!!! |
Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: June 07 2005 at 23:37
------------- https://soundcloud.com/erin-susan-jennings" rel="nofollow - Bedroom guitarist". Composer, Arranger, Producer. Perfection may not exist, but I may still choose to serve Perfection. Commissions considered. |
Posted By: NetsNJFan
Date Posted: June 07 2005 at 23:50
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i agree with both extremes we have too many 1 star and 5 star reviews. but i think their are definately more fanboy 5 star reviews the genre hating 1 star reviews floating around. but both are a problem, albums have to be judged within their genre. ------------- 
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 07 2005 at 23:54
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: June 08 2005 at 07:38
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Hi Man Overboard; I couldn't agree with you more... I recently went through my humble CD collection, and this was the only album I genuinely rated as 5 stars; (I gave 'Perfect Element' 4.5!). I am the type of bloke who NEVER gives anything 5/5, but this is a genuine masterpiece, and I'm pleased to see you think so too. ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 08 2005 at 07:45
I'll have to give it a listen then! My friend Dazo is bound to have it! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Azrael2112
Date Posted: June 08 2005 at 08:13
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As long as the site alows anonymous reviews, this will continue to happen. It
cannot really be stopped, not even regulated. The only thing that will change this is force the reviewers to sign up, therefore be held accountable, even then it won't end. ------------- http://www.flywithjet.com"> 
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Posted By: the dragon
Date Posted: June 08 2005 at 08:26
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I think that DT are a great band but their fans are really a bit overpressured: c'mon, not even Close to the Edge or Foxtrot or DSODM gave always 5 stars per rewiew. It's unreal. DT are climbing the top 100 of this site for the their fans not for the (excellent) music they do. And The Mars Volta too.
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Posted By: Arteum
Date Posted: June 08 2005 at 08:51
I completely agree. Internet so far is lacking control over who's who. Society, in my opinion, must be divided into classes to function efficiently as a society, but internet is just one big mess. |
Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: June 08 2005 at 08:58
Which is why, occasional annoyances aside, it's such a beautiful thing. I live below the poverty level, but with the internet, I have access to certain things I normally wouldn't. ------------- https://soundcloud.com/erin-susan-jennings" rel="nofollow - Bedroom guitarist". Composer, Arranger, Producer. Perfection may not exist, but I may still choose to serve Perfection. Commissions considered. |
Posted By: firth_of_Fifth
Date Posted: June 08 2005 at 09:12
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''Society, in my opinion, must be divided into classes to function
efficiently as a society, but internet is just one big mess.'' I doubt the lower class coal workers in their council houses would agree with you. Although I'm sure they are used to the upper classes turning their noses up at them (as they always tend to do). I think socialism is the way to go. I suppose your comment comes from living in america? ------------- http://www.myspace.com/chrisblackwell" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/chrisblackwell |
Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: June 08 2005 at 10:06
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i agree with man overboard... but its not just prog metal. look at bands like radiohead. Radiohead are not prog yet their music can be enjoyed by proggers. Yet people give them lots of 1 or 0 star reviews just cos they aint prog. sticking to prog metal... i noticed that 2 reviews had not been written properly and pointed them out and then flowerchild reported me for doing so and had a go at me just cos he hates dream theater. As a prog reviewer i feel i should be able to point out the naff reviews so that they can be deleted from the site. ------------- The Worthless Recluse 
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Posted By: Poxx
Date Posted: June 08 2005 at 10:09
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Allow me to laugh out loud in a hysterical way. Are you suggesting that there should be seperate sites for the rich and the poor? That would be great - like the poor mans internet, no layout on the sites, everyone would be anonymous. But here, on the upperclass world wide web, we won't stand by as these trailer trash nitwits voice their opinion. The nerve they have to just show up and think they are worth anything. Track them back to their ISP, and let's sue them out of their asses!!! On a serious note, I think it would be fair that you are required to sign up, before reviewing and posting. And you're wrong about society, you don't have to opress people, nor "divide classes", for a society to function efficiently. Proof? About 250 mill. northern Europeans, living under safe conditions, high welfare and high quality of life.
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Posted By: Geee
Date Posted: June 08 2005 at 10:11
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Don't waste energy mate. Leave him at that. I feel that it is an honour that 'that album' is not liked by all. Most people, just cause it's DT then it's prog metal (which I like) so it's s**t! For me it is the album of 2005 although there's still 6 more months to go! Geee ------------- "Just as a bell that has been rung cannot be "unrung", the annoying problem with the Truth is that, once you learn it, you can not "unlearn" it." |
Posted By: FishyMonkey
Date Posted: June 08 2005 at 10:20
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Yes, there are people who gave it five stars simply because it's Dream
Theater. Just like the people who gave 90125 five stars when it first
came out. Is 90125 considered a masterpiece by the sane people here?
NO! You get lots of people who worship it blindly by ANY band. Like
flowerchild over here, who seems to be stuck in the 70s. I love 70s
prog, but there's some stuff around now that's just as good. That said, I stand by my review. I've listened to the album too many times, haven't gotten tired of it. It is Dream Theater's best, this coming from a person who thinks SFAM is too cheesy now and doesn't withstand the test of time after listening to it about four times, nevermind the 10 or so times I've listened to Octavarium, and also a person who thinks about 3 songs of I&W is lame and the other stuff is great. I'm not blind. I love CTTE and all King Crimson stuff moreso than DT. The fact of the matter is, this album is good. Good enough for me to put it next to ANYTHING from the 70s. I gave SDOIT a five star rating at first because of the second disk. That was after about two listens. I learned my lesson and listened ot Octavarium closely before I reviewed it. SDOIT was good the first time, but is only a four star album at best. Octavarium is a five star album. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/FishyMonkey/?chartstyle=artists"> 
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Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: June 08 2005 at 10:58
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reinKARNated EVIL ------------- The Worthless Recluse
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: June 08 2005 at 15:15
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The problem is that there are TOO MANY people giving it 5 stars for no reason other than it makes them wet their pants. There was a recent thread on making people sign up before being allowed to submit reviews - I now think that thread should be resurrected for the sanity of many of us Even the Dream Theater fans must be cringing at some of the odious fanboy stuff that's going up - I mean, "Fantastic" doesn't tell you anything about the album, but lots about the "reviewer". Other DT fans will be tarred with the same brush, and, although I am not a fan, I don't hate them, and have not spitefully given a 0 rating to any of their stuff. The point here is that DT bashing will probably increase as a result of these infantile rantings. Unconsidered reviews do not belong on the Prog Archives I joined - this site is the Rolls Royce or Bentley of prog sites, not the average joe sedan with a flashy paint job and a spoiler... |
Posted By: limeyrob
Date Posted: June 08 2005 at 16:29
| Does it really matter. Surely the idea of this site is to show as much prog as possible (well, at least within certain boundaries). Is it better to see a band/album mentioned then we can make our own minds up after listening to it than not to list it? Just keep the reviews clean and respectful. And entertaining. |
Posted By: Dan Yaron
Date Posted: June 08 2005 at 18:18
| I agree! I personally don't like prog metal. Therefore, I don't review it because I believe that my reviews cannot be accurate. Moreover, I actually hardly review anything that I don't like. |
Posted By: Astaroth
Date Posted: June 08 2005 at 18:56
hahahaha ------------- "I need you more that you can know ... and if I hurt myself it's just for show" |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: June 09 2005 at 00:35
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Fishy Monkey wrote:
Well, I was not going to write in this thread, but I remember perfectly when 90125 was released, so it's not history for me, it's personal experience also vbecause I wrote an article for a newspaper and quoted what all the radios said. All the people who praised this album when released (no 5 stars as we know, because there was not internet on those days).} The only people tha twas happy with 90125 were the commercial radio DJ's and the pop listeners, no proghead was ever happy with this thing (well always a few will follow Yes despite the quality). I clearly remember the phrases (To be honest I still have my notebook where I prepared the article) I listened in my car's radio in those days:
And some even worst, but the progheads on those days almost didn't buy the album, and those who did never upgraded it to CD. I have many proghead friends and they all (except one) prefer Yes than Genesis and always made mockery of our taste because Phil Collins crap, but we took revenge then, and all the Yes fans on those days aditted it was crap. Butin this case everybody is giving Octavarium 5 stars, a few after listening it carefully, but I'm sure most only because it's Dream Theater. I only heard "I Walk Beside You" and find it closer to Indie or Alternative that to Prog' or even to metal. Iván BTW: I'm 90% sure that if somebody checks the IP's of the reviewers you'll find a lot that are repeated, because like magic have appeared many names I never read before in one day. ------------- 
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: June 09 2005 at 03:30
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Yes it does matter!! I don't want to see Prog Archives become another run-of-the-mill fanclub site. There are good reasons why this is one of the best sites on the Internet, and the quality of the reviews is just one. Reviews should not only be clean and respectful, but they should be about the album and the music too - not just rantings about how fantastic it is!!! (IMO) |
Posted By: Forgotten Son
Date Posted: June 09 2005 at 04:13
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I agree with Certif1ed. I quite like Dream Theater but fanatical fans
are really putting me off wanting to listen to/buy this album. One should take time and consideration when writing a review. I get the impression that a lot of people listened to it once, realised that it was better than Train of Thought and as a result gave it 5 stars. Hell I even get the impression that a lot of people had already decided that the new Dream Theater album was going to get 5 stars before they'd even heard it. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 11 2005 at 17:22
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Yeah- people giving Octavarium 5 stars- WHAT A JOKE- 3 at best- unreal- JUST BECAUSE ITS DT DOESNT MEAN IT GETS 5 STARS AUTOMATICALLY!!!!! AND P.O.S.? 5 stars? nah |