Have You Seen Triumvirat Live?
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Topic: Have You Seen Triumvirat Live?
Posted By: presdoug
Subject: Have You Seen Triumvirat Live?
Date Posted: July 29 2010 at 22:13
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Unfortunately, I did not discover my favourite band Triumvirat until they had already stopped recording and touring. I would be interested to know who out there actually saw the group live, and what it was like? The only PA member I know of who has made reference to seeing Triumvirat live is cstack3, who was lucky enough to have seen them when Helmut Koellen was with the band |
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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: July 30 2010 at 08:17
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Yes I did see them and here is the insulting part.........TELEVISION. They appeared on a show called "In Concert". They played for a whole of 40 minutes. They would play for 10 minutes or so, then the TV station would break for commerials. This was just after the release of "Illusions On A Double Dimple" . I had a personal interest in seeing the band after hearing several tracks of the album on Philadelphia radio stations played by the F--G Boy wonder DJ'S of our area. I remember enjoying the performance of Triumvirat. They were very tight as a band and well polished. No flaws and well rehearsed.
I was a mere teenager during this time. I remember Triumvirat being promoted on the FM Radio stations in America....which at that time ironically FM radio was turning into the stadium rock circus show for everyone. For example you would hear Triumvirat pieces in between Robin Trower and Ted Nugent songs. It was like mixing gourmet food with some slop house grease spoon fed McDonalds value meal  . Like what you see on music television today except now, everything is so compartmentalized with the Paul Greens of the world. Everything in the media is still garbage just approached from a different angle. |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: July 30 2010 at 10:08
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TODDLER wrote:Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: July 30 2010 at 14:27
Thanks |
Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: July 30 2010 at 17:22
| It was either the year Illusions On A Double Dimple was released (which I don't remember)....but easy info for you to obtain....or it was the following year. The show "In Concert" was well known through part of the 70's during the height of other shows such as "Midnight Special" and Don Kirshner's Rock Concert. 'In Concert" seemed to allow band's to stretch out their performance time or slot.....even more so then Kirshner did. Do a search on the television music program from the 70's ...."In Concert" Check out the history and see if there is a listing of the acts which performed. There might be option to e-mail someone from a un-official Triumvirat website. I don't know if there is an official one? good luck |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: July 30 2010 at 21:45
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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: July 30 2010 at 21:50
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To all-if i get anywhere with In Concert, i will post the results cheers! |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: July 31 2010 at 01:56
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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: July 31 2010 at 15:47
| On a basic search for Don Kirshner,...I found on Wikipedia Encyclopedia some info.......Kirshner was asked by ABC Television in 1972 to be producer and consultant for the "In Concert" series. Kirshner left "In Concert" to produce his own Don Kirshner's Rock Concert. I really do believe I saw Triumvirat on "In Concert" and not Don Kirshner's Rock Concert but, I still search for a list of performers on D.K.R.C. and came across only a portional list of performers. Guess what? Triumvirat were not listed......well, that's not surprising. I searched You Tube for an excerpt of Triumvirat on the In Concert series but again.....nothing. I would still try to find Triumvirat listed as playing on Don Kirshner's Rock Concert. Bounce between the 2 shows and see what you can come up with. Please let me know. very curious. |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: July 31 2010 at 21:49
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i have not got good news It seems that the masters for the Original In Concert series are "missing", which translates as lost or ditched, probably a bit of both-it seems that the concert footage was not considered a money making thing at the time Don Kirshner's Rock Concert is a bit of a different story, only problem is that i double checked their complete episode guide and there is no reference to Triumvirat i find this very painfull news, but what more can i say? |
Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: July 31 2010 at 22:38
It could be stored away in a vault. What a great surprise that would be. Pete Sinfield misplaced the Fillmore East tape of King Crimson. Supposedly he discovered it missing when his plane landed. This is the special concert which Fripp claims to be the ultimate performance of the King Crimson band in 1969. This is what could have happened:....If a theif stole the tape (along with other items), and music was not on his agenda, it may have been tossed into a nearby trashcan. Maybe someone has been holding on to it or transferring it to disc for their own pleasure with no head for business or in fact no motive whatsoever. I waited all my life to hear an official live concert release of YES ....the prime lineup that toured off the album Fragile. Anderson, Wakeman, Bruford, Howe, and Squire. From the early 70's there is only one track from this lineup on YESSONGS. So many people love Yes but, have yet to hear that particular lineup perform a concert on an official cd release. The group that recorded Close to the Edge? Why not? As always with many prog bands from this era, it remains a mystery to fans unless they can produce money to unfold it. |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: August 01 2010 at 12:06
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Posted By: cloviskoba
Date Posted: August 02 2010 at 14:59
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Only thing I got is in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jCG2Q4RJb8 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jCG2Q4RJb8 That's a melodic song from Pompeii album, sorry for us there's no other published.
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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: August 02 2010 at 16:12
too bad there is nothing from the Fritz-Bathelt-Koellen period currently, but there is always hope |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: August 14 2010 at 20:47
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while looking at Triumvirat's listing in PA, on ebay is something that is totally new to me
it is a cd initially titled Triumvirat-Uncommon CD
further investigation has turned up what is a CD called Triumvirat-Flashback- Various Performances 1974-1975!
no kidding-there are some tracks prefaced by the word Television-must be audio recordings from TV broadcasts, or could there be something visual?!
there are other tracks from both Illusions On A Double Dimple and Spartacus from different places in the US-these must all be direct live recordings or live taped from broadcasts! now i do not know if this is from a legitimate , recognised source,but this is exciting, and hopefull
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Posted By: Garion81
Date Posted: August 16 2010 at 17:54
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I saw Triumvirate opening for Jefferson Starship and Fleetwood Mac in 1975 at the Shrine Auditorium in Los Angeles, Ca. They played the usual 45 minute opening band set. I wasn't all that familiar with their music but I thought they sounded a lot like ELP and even the haircut and leather pants worn by Hans Jurgen looked like he was trying to get that Emerson image on stage. Not so much the other two. They were competent without really much of a stage show being the openers and all but they played well . They were better than Fleetwood Mac for sure ( the Bob Welch led band at the time) but it was so short there were not any lasting memories for me expect for the fact I bought Spartacus a short time later. Sorry i don't have much more to report. ------------- 
"What are you going to do when that damn thing rusts?" |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: August 16 2010 at 21:50
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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: August 16 2010 at 23:37
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Yep, I also saw them back up Fleetwood Mac about 1975! Mac was touring with the "Heroes Are Hard To Find" LP, and they were really very good! I like Bob Welch a lot. It was a pleasant surprise to have Triumvarate open for Mac, they were brilliant! Jurgen looked like Emerson, only about 100 kg heavier! Koellen was great, he sang/played amazingly well considering he didn't even know English! He also played a bit of 6-string electric (Les Paul as I recall), and the band's sound was well-balanced! As I recall, this was shortly before "Spartacus" came out, we all listened to "Illusions" frequently (this concert was at the University of Illinois). U of I was prog-central back then! We were the birthplace of Starcastle and hosted concerts for ELP, Tull, Brand X, tons of others! Great town back then, even King Crimson took up a residency once (Adrian Belew hails from those parts).
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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: August 16 2010 at 23:41
Sorry to learn that! I recall some great episodes of In Concert including Mahavishnu Orchestra!! My friends Flash were on Midnight Special once, but I missed that show & can't seem to locate a recording! Flash will play at Progfest, check out their YouTube postings. Scale the Summit are also there, talented kids from Texas. Highly recommended for instrumental prog-metal heads! |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: August 17 2010 at 15:51
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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: September 07 2010 at 18:20
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On the net, i found an episode guide for ABC's original In Concert series, and found the following- 1975-01-17 #49 Bobby Vinton Kool and the Gang Earth Wind and Fire Triumvirat so there it is, or was, with the right date Dick Clark had taken over the show in 1973, as Don Kirshner had a falling out with the Network, and thus Don Kirshner's Rock Concert there was Kirshner's bankrupty in the 1990's that complicates rights issues, but there still is still hope |
Posted By: moodyxadi
Date Posted: September 12 2010 at 12:27
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For the mention about the Trimvirat-Uncommon cd I think you're talking about a bootleg from the Illusions and Spartacus era. Most tracks are with B- sound but it's worth listening to it. If you want it I know where you can obtain it for free. Just e-mail me.
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Posted By: Lozlan
Date Posted: September 14 2010 at 10:36
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I'd just like to state that, due to this post, I hunted down and started listening to Triumvirat. Great stuff - I'm a whore for excellent keyboard work. Thanks.
------------- Certified Obscure Prog Fart. http://scottjcouturier.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow - The Loose Palace of Exile - My first novel, The Mask of Tamrel, now available on Amazon and Kindle |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: September 14 2010 at 10:46
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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: October 01 2010 at 17:35
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I have some bad news regarding the 1975 Triumvirat "In Concert" video I contacted the host of the series at that time, Don E. Branker, and he told me that ABC threw out all the In Concert videos, and that there will be no dvds of them in the future painfull news, but at least we know now from a proper source |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: October 19 2010 at 16:59
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Okay, so the ABC In Concert Triumvirat video is not possible but what about backing things up a bit? Did anybody see the band on television in Europe before their involvement in America? Possibly The Beat Club in Germany, or something similar? i know about the two songs on youtube currently, the Hymn from Germany with Barry Palmer on vocals, and Waterfall with Jurgen Fritz singing from Switzerland, both from 1978 i believe, but what about earlier than the In Concert video from 1975? Ring any bells, anybody? |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: March 26 2011 at 11:39
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I found out from someone in Germany that around 75/76 in Germany there was a television program featuring Triumvirat known as Bios Bahnhof Music that featured music and interviews regarding Old Loves Die Hard. Bad news is that he does not believe that it was ever re-broadcast. Wouldn't that be something to see, though! |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: June 11 2011 at 21:31
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Well, well, well! For the first time in my life, on the net tonight, i saw a direct reference to a concert with Triumvirat in Canada. (I started a thread on Triumvirat in Canada, but it has been closed) The reference mentions Supertramp and Triumvirat -Southern Alberta Jubilee Auditorium, Calgary, Alberta, Canada for Tues. Aug. 5th, 1975. It does not mention who led in for who, and whether this concert actually did take place for certain. Anybody out there actually see the show? |
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: June 12 2011 at 20:11
Have you tried contacting the musicians themselves? I'm friends with many proggers like John Goodsall, we chat all the time. Of course, you'd have to contact Helmut's next of kin....such a sad and stupid ending to a brilliant career!
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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: June 13 2011 at 11:06
Being Canadian, i have always been curious about possible Triumvirat activities here in the seventies Sometimes i feel like hell when i think of Helmut Koellen being gone all these years, i know what you mean, what a senseless waste |
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: June 13 2011 at 11:21
I'm lucky that I saw them! I liked Helmut's work on both guitar AND bass (like him, I am a player of both), and also his vocals!! As I recall, he spoke no English and had to learn the lyrics phonetically. Good luck with your quest, you may find some cool stuff if you can engage the band members. They'll be glad to know people still care.
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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: June 13 2011 at 16:57
If it's not too out of line....can you please ask John Goodsall one day if the original back catalog of Brand X might be remastered and released in the near future? Could you imagine how fantastic it would be if Esoteric were to re-do those titles?
Unorthodox Behaviour
Morocon Roll
Live Stock
Masques
Product Do They Hurt?
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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: June 13 2011 at 17:02
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If the original master tapes of the Triumvirat live show from Kirshner were released officially on cd,.....I would probably buy it. I think that would be a unique listening experience. Forget the visual for dvd......I would just love to hear the performances. Or any early show of theirs would do nicely. |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: June 13 2011 at 17:05
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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: June 13 2011 at 17:45
I'll give you the simple answer: "no." Both John and Percy Jones were hosed big-time out of their royalties (I know 'em both).
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: June 13 2011 at 18:57
This reminds me of a similar case.
In 1992 Rick Wakeman played on Lima, the concert was amazing because Ricks instruments were sent to Paraguay (IATA CODE Pa) instead of Perú (IATA code Pe). So the concert started at 1:00 am and Rick was so touched because still the hall was full (On a working day) that he played until 4 am one of his best shows, also because it was the last show with my best friend who died months later on a car accident. When I was leaving saw 8 cameras with the logo of a Peruvian station, so prepared my VCR to tape it, but never was broadcasted. Years later I was hired for a case on that TV station and asked the General Manager for a copy, so he gave me a pass for the basement (The archive) and started to search, after hours found the magic tape "RICK WAKEMAN 1992 SHOW, WITH INTERVIEWS"....God it was like finding the holy Grail, the administrator prepared 3 tapes and the machine to make me a professional recording, but when the copy started...IT WAS A MENUDO SHOW TAPED OVER WAKEMAN'S CONCERT.  So don't expect to find a copy, TV cameramen take old tapes to record more popular shows. Iván ------------- 
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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: June 13 2011 at 20:09
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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: June 13 2011 at 20:23
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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: June 13 2011 at 21:25
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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: June 13 2011 at 23:08
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John posted this to his Facebook page last Friday: "John Goodsall and Percy Jones, who wrote all but a few tunes by Brand X, have never been paid royalties for over 35 years of worldwide sales for the 1st 6 legally released Brand X albums or the subsequent 10 or more Brand X compilations. Only one company, Buckyball Records, an indie label has ever paid the 2 composers royalties."
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: June 14 2011 at 00:41
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BTW Presdoug, I been searching for a Triumvirat VCR or DVD for decades, IMO one of the greatest Prog bands ever. People compare them with ELP, but II believe Illusions and Spartacus are better than most ELP albums, except maybe Trilogy, their arrangements are far more elaborate and the piano skills of Jurgen Fritz are superb. Iván -------------
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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: June 14 2011 at 11:40
Is it a Rick? Anything special about where you got it, or who from, or anything like that? |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: June 14 2011 at 11:44
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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: September 18 2011 at 18:32
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There are some other Triumvirat live documents that i wanted to mention Seems there are some other bootleg live recordings of note Oct. 12th, 1974 at the Palace Theatre, Providence, RI, USA and Nov. 1st, 1974 at the St. Bernard Cultural Center, Chalmette, LA, USA in both of these concerts, they were touring in support of Fleetwood Mac, and played pretty well all of the music from their Illusions On A Double Dimple album, the band at this time comprised of Jurgen Fritz, Hans Bathelt, and Helmut Koellen Live in Germany -this concert taped from an FM radio broadcast in Germany in 1980 and also, some videos from German television one program featuring music from their album Pompeii with Barry Palmer on vocals, and another video featuring the song Party Life from the Russian Roulette album i have no idea if any of this stuff will be officially released, let's hope so! |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: November 16 2011 at 17:49
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I recently found some info on Triumvirat live on the net which i wanted to share A couple of people who had seen them open for ELO on the US east coast in 1974 were remembering that they had a quite ahead of it's time light show technology. Things like a "robot droid" holding fresnel lights, spinning mirror spots, etc. And each tom of the drums had a sensor for a spot underneath the acrylic/clear floor of the drum riser And a rotating stage for the drum solo. And were talking as far back as 1974 for all of this!  |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: March 08 2012 at 18:24
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As some of you may already know, recently there has been released a 3 DVD set of live concerts that were part of the ABC In Concert series from 1973 and 1974. I had been told previously by the show's host Don E. Branker that all the videos were thrown out, and that there would be no DVDs in the future, but then this new DVD set Well, possibly Triumvirat's show from January 1975 could surface on DVD in the future-if shows from 73 and 74 have, well why not 75? Triumvirat fans keep your eyes and ears open! |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: November 11 2012 at 13:19
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Last week, for the first time, i saw the performances from the "St. Louis Progressive Keyboard Extravaganza" taped in St. Louis, Missouri, USA at the Centenary Church, June 5, 1999, and the Off Broadway Night Club, June 7, 1999, from a set of the original limited edition VHS cassettes made at the time, and offered for sale initially by the Triumvirat.net site. The groups Alaska and the Par Lindh Project are there, as well as former Triumvirat singer Barry Palmer, who flew over from England. First time i hear either Alaska or the Par Lindh Project, and was very impressed on both accounts with their own music, real classical rock. Also some early ELP was played, Alaska doing Hoedown, and a partial Tarkus suite, and Par Lindh Project doing Jerusalem and Rondo. The most special part of these concerts was with Barry Palmer, who did some Triumvirat backed by Alaska and at times Par Lindh (also some of Palmer's own musicians)-I Believe from Old Loves Die Hard, and Spartacus and The Deadly Dream of Freedom from the Spartacus album. Though Barry was wrestling with a sore throat at the time, he did his very best, and was really polite and nice on stage. And before singing Spartacus, he said "God bless you, Helmut" which i thought was really cool. He made other references to Helmut Koellen, saying "he felt him giving us a good vibe". Palmer also does some songs that were to be put on a solo album of his, and a single. "Dear John" -a "letter to John Lennon", Night Thoughts, Ghost of a Love, and Miracle Tonight. These songs are featured on Barry Palmer's new solo album "Night Thoughts" just released this fall. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 12 2012 at 09:56
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You are a lucky man Doug! Glad you enjoyed your Triumvirat nostalgia fest. PLP are one of my favourite keyboard based bands. Par Lindh certainly knows his stuff.
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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: November 12 2012 at 10:01
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I remember seeing both Par Lindh and Alaska at a prog festival around that same time. They played the ELP covers then, too. I remember "Rondo" very well. Good times.
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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: November 12 2012 at 15:23
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^thanks, guys, yeah, i'm lucky to have this, a member of progressiveears was getting rid of his VHS cassettes, and i was on the recieving end. I read in some reviews of the concerts that the Triumvirat song "Waterfall" was done, but no sign of it on the tapes. Oh, well, 90% of such a rare thing as the St. Louis concerts is quite good, anyhow! |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: November 12 2012 at 15:31
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I read last week on Barry Palmer's site that when Pompeii was released in 1977, at that time, producer and keyboardist Juergen Fritz was against touring in support of the album. This was frustrating, as Barry recounts, and he never really understood why Fritz wouldn't. Posters of Pompeii's album cover were all over America at the time, but no American tour. Pompeii bombed in America. A while later, though, the album and it's single The Hymn did well in Germany, and there was some touring over there. |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: February 01 2013 at 17:36
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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: February 18 2013 at 10:59
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Another Triumvirat video has surfaced on youtube recently.
It is when the band were referred to as New Triumvirat, and it is a performance of Dance On The Volcano from Pompeii, and is from 1978. This was taped at the same show that included ELP doing their video Tiger In A Spotlight with the tiger present, and their Fanfare. |
Posted By: npjnpj
Date Posted: February 18 2013 at 13:37
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Found some stuff, although you probably know it already: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H329S-ORQ_M&playnext=1&list=PL208580FBE4751AA2&feature=results_main http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beo0faJj83A http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkxIb0IxNzE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfTn1pT6CT8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtMerhgtoEQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H329S-ORQ_M http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7B0uEU5D_Og |
Posted By: spotone
Date Posted: February 27 2014 at 07:37
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Actually, yes. I saw them live quite a few times on the Spartacus (1975?) tour. I can confirm the show happened at Calgary with Supertramp. Also that the earlier (east coast ) show dates were with ELO. I believe the first show after ELO was after we crossed the Mississippi and was at the Fabulous Fox Theatre in St.Louis. I was one of the two-man lighting crew that traveled with Triumvrat for that tour. The lighting effects mentioned here and elsewhere were pretty innovative for "back in the day". We would frequently have an explosion and small fire on top of Jurgen's grand piano to finish the set. Fun., but a lot of hard work. John |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: February 27 2014 at 07:47
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Greetings, John, and welcome to the Prog Archives Forums! Thanks so much for your interesting information. Do you recall if there were any other Canadian dates apart from Calgary? |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: May 22 2014 at 17:26
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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: May 22 2014 at 21:05
| ^Doug, I really admire your persistence!! You are the best Triumvirat fan, ever! They would have loved knowing you! |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: May 22 2014 at 21:32
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Posted By: Rick Robson
Date Posted: May 23 2014 at 18:42
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{ "Originally posted by presdoug Another Triumvirat video has surfaced on youtube recently. It is when the band were referred to as New Triumvirat, and it is a performance of Dance On The Volcano from Pompeii, and is from 1978. This was taped at the same show that included ELP doing their video Tiger In A Spotlight with the tiger present, and their Fanfare."} -------------  "Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy." LvB |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: June 01 2014 at 20:47
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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: September 26 2014 at 19:18
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There is a new old Triumvirat recording now available, Triumvirat Live from Ultrasonic Studios, Hempstead, NY, October 1st, 1974, FM (Soundboard) It consists of The Burning Sword Of Capua intro, and the complete Illusions On A Double Dimple album |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: September 28 2014 at 17:42
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: September 28 2014 at 18:33
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It's a legit release? Who's selling it? Must have it! ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: September 28 2014 at 19:03
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Sorry, but looks like it's not a legit release, even though it's from a Studio Soundboard source. There is a place on the net in America called Rockinconcerts that is selling it. |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: September 28 2014 at 19:22
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How much did you pay for it? ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: September 28 2014 at 20:04
| I haven't bought a copy yet. It sells for $19.99 US. |
Posted By: brainstormer
Date Posted: September 29 2014 at 04:06
There is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D0tJj7a4SY" rel="nofollow - - - 1974/10/12 - - in Providence, RI online now at youtube.------------- -- Robert Pearson Regenerative Music http://www.regenerativemusic.net Telical Books http://www.telicalbooks.com ParaMind Brainstorming Software http://www.paramind.net |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: September 29 2014 at 04:24
One of those Spartacus live tracks "The Capitol Of Power" actually used to be the B-side of a single from 1976. There nowhere exists an official complete live concert of Triumvirat-very odd, indeed. |
Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: September 29 2014 at 04:57
| Doug, who among the band is still alive? Surely one of them must have some recordings hidden away that fans - and some lucky label! - would love to have released? |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: September 29 2014 at 08:36
You raise an important question, some of them may have access to live recordings. |
Posted By: gr8dane
Date Posted: September 29 2014 at 09:40
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Back in the day when Grand Funk toured their Shinin' On album,they passed through Denmark on their euro tour. Triumvirat was on this date warmup.My friend was at this show and said Triumvirat never showed up for their gig. Gear just standing there on stage until it got removed so Grand Funk could play their show. ------------- Shake & bake. |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: September 29 2014 at 12:39
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Been doing some thinking about old T'rat, and why there is a scanty
amount of related material on this group. They are not well represented
on the net, really. Their old site is still up, but has been static, and
no one has added anything to it for over a decade. Would you realise that in my entire life, I have only seen one colour photo of these guys! Most are black and white. Though they have fans from all over the world, they only ever toured in Europe, and North America (mainly in the US, rarely in Canada). I think there were several strokes against the band. 1) Never having a worldwide hit single. 2) Hitting their stride commercially for a pretty short amount of time (Spartacus was in the top 30 in America, but not for very long) (The Hymm single was a hit in Germany but not for that long) 3) Their existing radio exposure was hit on the head by the changing face of FM radio in the mid-seventies 4) Helmut Koellen decides to leave the band at the end of 1975. Such an important and integral part of the group at that time. 5) On top of all that, Triumvirat, like other progressive rock groups, soon had to deal with the emergent punk and new wave focus in the music industry-suddenly something like Spartacus is definitely out of fashion. 6) A somewhat revolving door of subsequent musicians-the previously stable, workable lineup of Fritz-Koellen-Bathelt now permanently eludes them. 7) There is no tour for the 1976 album Old Loves Die Hard, despite great new singer Barry Palmer. 8) Helmut Koellen dies on May 3rd, 1977. No North American tour for 1977's Pompeii album. All of these things prevented the real Triumvirat from continuing their success. Fast forward to 2002, a new Triumvirat has a brand new album recorded, there is talk of a big tour, then the record company who are backing things goes bankrupt! And EMI wouldn't get involved with the new plans, apart from the 2002 remastered old Triumvirat albums. |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: September 29 2014 at 12:53
I never did hear the 2002 album. How is it? ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: September 29 2014 at 12:59
| ^I have only heard I think a couple of tracks, but it doesn't sound anything like the Triumvirat of old. It smacks of modern pop, in some ways, I am sorry to say. |
Posted By: Rick Robson
Date Posted: September 29 2014 at 17:32
Hey Doug it's really sad what you told about Triumvirat, I love their music too, an awesome band that should have had much more support along their career. And I'm wondering if what you pointed out in the item 5) had pretty much to do with the item 2) about the radio stations commercial trend of constantly broadcasting the Top 30 or Top 50 etc. at those times, which maybe gradually mined away also quite a few other stunning prog rock bands and artists as well, who just could not afford to hit their stride commercially with hit singles that fit to the new music industry pattern of the mid-seventies FM radio stations, which of course fit perfectly to a massive extent of emergent punk and new wave bands of those times. Anyway, for me too Triumvirat definitely deserved to make many more tours and it's really disappointing to know this fate of theirs... ------------- "Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy." LvB |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: September 29 2014 at 17:42
| ^hey, Ric, thanks for your words of understanding and empathy. |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: October 08 2014 at 16:06
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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: February 22 2015 at 10:57
| There is a CD release that I saw for the first time recently, called "The Road To Nowhere". It turned out to be just another bootleg of the Ultrasonics concert. |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: March 04 2015 at 20:30
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For the first time ever, I have seen reference to Triumvirat playing a concert in the UK. The date was April 18th, 1975, at the Wembley Empire Pool, London, opening for Grand Funk Railroad. I remember Triumvirat singer Barry Palmer saying in a fairly recent interview that the band did not sell much in the UK.
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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: March 05 2015 at 05:31
Triumvirat never showed up for the gig because Grand Funk were there.
 Someone should have removed Grand Funk from the stage instead of Triumvirat's gear. |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: March 14 2015 at 19:50
I had no idea until I saw this poster, that Triumvirat performed live with a Brass section/Choir
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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: March 30 2015 at 21:34
| Just read on the net that a local Orlando Florida TV station did a simulcast of Triumvirat performing the Spartacus album in the 70s. Makes me wonder if the tapes still exist! |
Posted By: JD
Date Posted: March 31 2015 at 06:43
I actually just discovered this last week. Fortunately my computer can record audio directly from the soundcard so I made my own CD of it. Pretty good audio all things considered. ------------- Thank you for supporting independently produced music |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: March 31 2015 at 07:23
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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: April 22 2015 at 21:10
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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: April 22 2015 at 21:16
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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: May 10 2015 at 13:57
| First time ever, on the net today, I saw a poster with a concert of Lou Reed in Boston at the Orpheum Theatre on Oct. 4th, 1974, that had Triumvirat opening. Never knew they were paired together. |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: May 22 2015 at 09:29
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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: August 05 2015 at 08:41
| For the first time, today, I saw reference to Triumvirat opening for Blue Oyster Cult in concert, in New York City at the Academy Of Music on October 5th , 1974, as part of the Illusions On A Double Dimple Tour. The BOC section of the show was recorded that night. Triumvirat's show was recorded in part, and exists on the bootleg "Triumvirat Live Tour 1974-1975" -an excellent live document. |
Posted By: Roj
Date Posted: August 06 2015 at 03:13
That is one hell of a strange combination! I wonder how they went down with the Lou Reed fans? |
Posted By: gr8dane
Date Posted: August 06 2015 at 09:50
Ha ha, you silly bugger you. I can tell you,Triumvirat needed the job a hell of a lot more, than Grand Funk did. I love both bands, and would have been all over this double bill. ------------- Shake & bake. |
Posted By: gr8dane
Date Posted: August 06 2015 at 09:54
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Maybe if Triumvirat had been teamed up with bands like Moody Blues,Genesis,Yes and the like, instead of Lou Reed and Fleetwood Mac,they would have done a lot better. ------------- Shake & bake. |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: August 06 2015 at 12:04
I read a review of the concert, calling the crowd "impatient", and only "marginally interested" in Triumvirat's performance, but were "won over" by Jurgen Fritz's work on keys. Then, there was mention of a "tenseness" during the last part of T'rat's set that lasted into Lou Reed's set.
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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: September 05 2015 at 14:53
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Posted By: TheH
Date Posted: September 05 2015 at 15:34
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^^ I pretty much doubt that there ever was something about Triumvirat on Bio's Bahnhof. The "House" band of that Show however was "Peter Herbolzheimer Rhythm Combination & Brass" who featured David Hanselmann from Triumvirat as vocalist.
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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: September 06 2015 at 12:56
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: September 06 2015 at 13:43
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Doug, is that T'rat live show you mentioned a while back on YouTube? ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: September 06 2015 at 14:15
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Posted By: moodyxadi
Date Posted: September 06 2015 at 15:58
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You are really the most persistent, faithful and dedicated fan of this great band. My Triumvirat goes from Mediterranean to A la Carte and there's really outstanding music there. The infamous ELP connection is misleading and I believe hurted the band's image. ------------- Bach, Ma, Bros, Déia, Dante. |