Deep Purple I or II ?
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Topic: Deep Purple I or II ?
Posted By: cannon
Subject: Deep Purple I or II ?
Date Posted: July 22 2010 at 21:29
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Which Deep Purple formation has had more of an influence on progressive rock?
Deep Purple I
Personnel: Ritchie Blackmore, Ian Paice, Jon Lord, Rod Evans, and Nick Simper
Albums: Shades of Deep Purple, The Book of Taliesyn, Deep Purple(1969)
Deep Purple II
Personnel: Ritchie Blackmore, Ian Paice, Jon Lord, Ian Gillian, and Roger Glover
Albums: Deep Purple in Rock, Fireball, Machine Head, Made in Japan, Who Do We Think We Are
I didn't include Concerto for Group and Orchestra. I won't go into reasons why.
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Posted By: CinemaZebra
Date Posted: July 22 2010 at 21:31
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I'll vote for Deep Purple 1 because no one else will. You know, unless they're like me.
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: July 22 2010 at 21:32
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INFLUENCE?: Certainly Mark II, while they didn't play prog rock, they influenced a lot of Heavy Prog bands and surely some Prog Metal bands.
However, Mark I definitely sounds closer to Prog Rock, though since that wasn't the question, I'll vote for Mark II.
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: July 22 2010 at 21:32
Read the question in the post of his
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CinemaZebra wrote:Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: July 22 2010 at 21:50
------------- Can you tell me where we're headin'? Lincoln County Road or Armageddon. |
Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: July 22 2010 at 21:57
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Mark I, even if it was proggier, was not famous enough to be influental. ------------- Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour) |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: July 22 2010 at 22:12
 That means you voted for Mark II, right? |
Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: July 22 2010 at 22:18
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Mark 1 was closer to prog, mark 2 was more influential to prog. Anyone who thinks book is mor einfluential than in rock....well they aren't too bright. Influential isn't synonymous with good, though. |
Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: July 23 2010 at 00:02
Right. ------------- Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour) |
Posted By: CinemaZebra
Date Posted: July 23 2010 at 00:13
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: July 23 2010 at 04:17
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I like both eras. ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: July 23 2010 at 09:47
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OK, it's about Deep Purple Mark I and Deep Purple Mark II. I thought it was about their first 2 LPS. I voted for DP MII, for I think that, in spite of all, the younger generation of progressive bands have started to know DP by "Smoke on the Water" and LP like Machine Head or Made In Japan. Plus, from what I read, it seems that DP was first seen as a second rate Vanilla Fudge or Iron Butterfly. The critics were harsh when talking about Concerto for Band and Orchestra. In Rock is still appreciated as their "jailbreak" album. |
Posted By: Cactus Choir
Date Posted: July 23 2010 at 10:18
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I think the Mark II band was more influential on both prog and hard rock largely by dint of it being more successful. Mark I was only really known for having the Hush hit single so probably thought of as a pop band(!) The psych/proto-prog material on the albums was quite good but to me it gives the impression of following trends rather than setting them, and Purple didn't really establish their own identity until In Rock. Mark II was hard rock/heavy metal, but quite proggy live (eg the extended arrangements for Mandrake Root and Space Truckin) and sometimes in the studio with tracks like Child in Time and Fools. ------------- "And now...on the drums...Mick Underwooooooooood!!!" "He's up the pub" |
Posted By: otto pankrock
Date Posted: July 23 2010 at 18:48
| MK.II Although MK.I dabbled in prog. especially on the 3rd album, no one bought it. Stuff like Child in Time and The Mule had much more impact. |
Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: July 24 2010 at 00:44
| Went with DP II. I got to see them live and not version 1.0 |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: July 24 2010 at 00:48
That's not the point
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Posted By: himtroy
Date Posted: July 24 2010 at 12:21
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Shades of Deep Purple is more far out and progressive than any other albums they ever did so I'm going with that. ------------- Which of you to gain me, tell, will risk uncertain pains of hell? I will not forgive you if you will not take the chance. |
Posted By: yanch
Date Posted: July 26 2010 at 06:53
| Mark II as that's considered the "classic" line up and produced most of the songs that Seep Purple are known for. |
Posted By: akin
Date Posted: July 26 2010 at 07:03
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I don't think DP Mark II was very much influential to prog, more to hard rock. As DP Mark I wasn't influential either because, although prog, was pretty obscure, it is hard to vote based on influence to prog. On preference, I'd go with Mark I, because the three first albums are a mix of psychedelia and early prog rock, |
Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: July 28 2010 at 08:07
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Mark II because it influenced musicians to combine more,...stylistically, a classical approach to hard rock. I suppose Fireball, In Rock, and Machine Head reached more musicians worldwide. One example I could give regarding DP'S influence on prog would be the following: Influential? or accidental?......you be the judge. When Peter Bardens solos on organ. The early Camel titles have organ jams. Long running lines of classical/jazz improv along with Andy Ward's style of drumming sounds quite like Deep Purple for about a whole of 8 minutes.
Omega....200 Years After the Last War is very reminiscent of the Deep Purple Mark II sound. There are various other underground European prog band's with an influence of D.P. Goblin has produced many instrumental tracks which provide interplay between guitar and organ. A host of others like Gracious, Early Lucifer's Friend, .......I don't know,..you must observe closely the jam sections and connect it buy sampling some instrumental sections of Purple's music. I often get the impression that Deep Purple were influenced by Keith Emerson's The Nice. Ritchie Blackmore filled in for Davy O' List one night and the event was recorded. I've seen it listed twice and it may be a bootleg. I can see Blackmore fitting in with The Nice. Blackmore had already been working with classical musician Jon Lord. They seemed to have ties with the prog world due to their idea of combining Classical modes to hard rock. Proggers took the idea and combined it with a softer melodic approach however, they couldn't hide that Deep Purple sound. If you've been a listener for decades it's pretty easy to spot. |
Posted By: Weirdamigo
Date Posted: July 28 2010 at 08:07
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I'd probably choose DP II over DP I DP II is rather hard rock than prog yet the albums "Fireball" and "Machine head" are a must have for hard rock fans and,in fact, for all fans of good music DP I is more on the prog side but I have never liked "Shades of deep purple" for some unknown reason. On the other hand the self-titled album is excellent, especially the song "April" . |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: July 28 2010 at 08:22
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I've read all the posts here and I'm not convinced by the Mk II argument. I vote Mk I ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: ole-the-first
Date Posted: February 06 2012 at 21:55
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Vote for Mark I. All three albums with Rod Evans are very imaginative and fascinating. And Mark II did at least two albums which I don't find excellent — Fireball and Who Do We Think We Are. |
Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: February 07 2012 at 02:53
| Who Do We Think We Are might suck a bit but that doesn't change the fact that as a raw performance unit, Mark II eats Mark I for breakfast. I have a rare live recording of Mark II performing Mandrake Root in Germany- Ian G doesn't open his mouth- and it's absolutely astonishing. Mark I were a good band but they never reached those heights. |
Posted By: RedSheep
Date Posted: February 07 2012 at 08:24
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Are we Talking dp 1 mark 1,2,3,4 or 5? Definately a Deep purple 1 fan, I learned smoke on the water's solo with a broken arm and I've never forgotten it since! Child in time was mind blowing ------------- "Leaders or not we're part of a flock to follow till death, or Glory..." http://sheepishmusic.co.uk/blog/" rel="nofollow - Music and Lyric Writing Prog Blog |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: February 07 2012 at 10:09
Yeah me too. Their sole full-blown prog album is the s/t one (and the live Concerto). I'm a bigger fan of Mk II unsurprisingly, but I think it had more to do with the development of metal than prog. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: February 07 2012 at 11:02
Yeah something like that. I'm a huge Purple fan, and like most eras, MK II over I. Mind you, Mk I did release some killer rockin' tunes: The Painter, Bird Has Flown, Why Didn't Rosemary, Wring that Neck, etc.
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Posted By: Abstrakt
Date Posted: February 07 2012 at 11:14
| Like both, but like Mk II slightly more. |
Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: February 07 2012 at 11:26
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Deep Purple II ------------- Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours |
Posted By: KingCrInuYasha
Date Posted: February 07 2012 at 13:26
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Mark II. Not that Mark I was anything to sneeze at, but I think when Gillan and Glover joined, the band's songwriting was starting to reach its peak. ------------- He looks at this world and wants it all... so he strikes, like Thunderball! |
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: February 11 2012 at 00:13
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Deep Purple II |
Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: February 11 2012 at 14:49
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Mark 1 is fairly prog,
Mark 2 is mild prog, similar to Sabbath
When you have Lords classical influence, Blackmores jazz influence and Paices jazz/classical influence, you're usually going to get prog related music when it's recorded in the late 60s and early 70s. The closest they got to hard rock was Smoke on the water, Demons eye and Black Night, while Lazy and Why didn't Rosemary are blues rock. But almost everything else up to 1976 was heavy rock which is heavy prog
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 11 2012 at 15:04
I feel people are voting for their favourite rather than addressing the poll question. Shame. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Abstrakt
Date Posted: February 15 2012 at 13:22
I feel that Mk I are progressive, but kinda went along with the late 60's sound and spirit (bands like iron butterfly, the doors & love doesn't sound THAT diffrent from them), while Mk II would influence many later more or less PROGRESSIVE bands in the heavier,or even metal vein. I voted for MK II, too. Not that Mk I wasn't influential, but Mk II was wider known, and able to reach out to and influence more people and bands.
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Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: February 23 2012 at 15:29
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The album deep purple is rooted in my heart and is my favourite DP album
I also adore Mk2 i decide not to decide between them |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 23 2012 at 15:45
You say you are a Mark 1 fan but then go on about Mark 2 Purple as if you prefered that! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: February 23 2012 at 15:55
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I just have to say that MK3 and even MK4 are superb. |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: March 31 2012 at 13:45
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I actually think mark one had more influence on the prog scene than the 2. Firstly because they incorporated that symphonic and slightly proto-heavy prog flavour into their sound before that was mainstream and "normal". Few acts of the time could pull a track like April off, and I think it had infinitely more to say on the Brit part of the equation than Child in Time ever did. By the time of In Rock the rock scene had shifted immensely, and what Deep Purple were doing was not really that game-changing. They just did it with style and pomp, and nobody can really take that away from them. Just so you know, mark one is also my fave - so I am completely biased
 ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: KingCrInuYasha
Date Posted: April 01 2012 at 19:43
Well, a lot of the musical elements of the first line-up were inspired by other groups like the Moody Blues, The Nice and Vanilla Fudge, all of which at one significant album to them (Days Of Future Passed, The Thoughts Of Emerlist Davjack and Vanilla Fudge), by the time Deep Purple Mk 1 released their first album. As for In Rock not being game-changing, a lot of the metal groups that emerged in the second half of the 1970s like Judas Priest and Schenker-era UFO show a lot of influence in that album. To be fair though, in Priest's case, Purple was by no means their only influence. On the other hand, you can hear a lot of Mk 1 in groups like Andromeda and Uriah Heep, not to mention that Purple's Mk 2 lineup was simply a logical extension of the previous one - this is especially apparent with Fireball. Yeah, it's kind of complicated. There's just as many arguments to go with that analysis as there are that go against it. About the only thing I can safely say is that both had something to them that contributed to the scene, not to mention are quite enjoyable. ------------- He looks at this world and wants it all... so he strikes, like Thunderball! |
Posted By: PyramidMeetsTheEye
Date Posted: April 03 2012 at 12:49
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deep purple 1 will do just fine -------------  |
Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: April 03 2012 at 13:11
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Actually the two first albums by the band are inferior to the MK II albums but the third 'Deep Purple' is something else, everything about it is perfect, the sound, the mood, the playing and of course the songs. It has that extra something that i don't get from the MK II albums as amazing as they are. I decided to go with it. |
Posted By: charles_ryder
Date Posted: September 14 2014 at 12:55
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I don't like Gillan, Evans was best. And their first three albums was best IMO. ------------- om mani padme hum |
Posted By: Intruder
Date Posted: September 15 2014 at 14:36
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Is Mach I the Jon Lord led early albums (Book of Talyson, Deep Purple) or the more Blackmore led albums that followed (In Rock, Fireball, etc.), or do you mean the Tommy Bolin band (Burn, Taste the Band)?
I dig the first LPs....they may have a more "pop" sound, but there was some groovy innovation (especially the Donovan cover!). ------------- I like to feel the suspense when you're certain you know I am there..... |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: September 15 2014 at 14:42
| Mark 2 it is! Everyone knows that the second son always makes out. |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: September 15 2014 at 14:55
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Chose Purple 2 due to Deep Purple In Rock.......but I like the earlier ones better than the more commercial later ones. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: PrognosticMind
Date Posted: September 15 2014 at 16:10
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Deep Purple II! ------------- "A squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous. Got me?" |
Posted By: aaroncliftmusic
Date Posted: September 19 2014 at 11:50
| Deep Purple I is underrated, but then again, Deep Purple II made "Child in Time" and gave us one the greatest live albums of all time ("Made in Japan"), so I'm going to go with Deep Purple II. |